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Laurent....


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GREAT NEWS! :thumbs_up_1:


Lets get started!

:wave_1:

Jim Baumann

Hi all,

thanks for the comments!

my fingers are itching, I would like to start again a new project, I have a few in mind (1911motorship "Selandia" shipyard plans are in), or I have such envy to continue my 1/100 Lusitania build, to be ready for her 100th sinking anniversary.

I continued my paintings, my last one here:
[img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-CspUPfjBcdQ/UDDyZZbSRwI/AAAAAAAAE1M/rBNPzlVfYlQ/s512/DSCN1824.JPG[/img]

this painting has been done at the painting school evening course, the direction we got from the teacher was to use a screen shot of a movie/documentary, I remembered the 1953 "The cruel sea" movie, so I took a screen shot on youtube, the scene when the corvette goes to throw the depth charges while sailors are into the water. I called this painting "a tribute to Monsarrat", dimensions are 40 on 40 centimetres, oil on a panel primed with rabbit glue gesso.

@ Jimmy,

I would be delighted to get those pics you saved, I'll save them on my picasa album and put them back here, you may send me at my email adress (check your PM inbox)

Regards,

laurent

Laurent--congrats on your fun time...!

6 years to retirement @ 46...??!!

cripes you are lucky!!!!!!!!!!!

envy!



But do remember us all here as well...!! :cool_2: :wave_1:

and when you get the modelship building urge again-- share your cereal box building with us once more...!

Regards
Jim Baumann :thumbs_up_1: :wave_1:

[quote="Laurent"]Hi Raul,

Zinnia's pictures were put on a server which disappeared, and I unfortunately have no back-up anymore.

May I suggest you to take a look at another topic of mine, where I speak about a little merchant steam ship, "Proteus", the boats having been built the same way as Zinnia's, even if not explained thorougly:
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=56695

Other pictures of Zinnia boats I gathered are here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/117569696778773352128/HMSZinnia04AoT2008#
https://picasaweb.google.com/117569696778773352128/HMSZinnia03DCembre2008#

Regards,

Laurent[/quote]

Laurent, I saved a lot of pics of your model of Zinnia, I have 9 folders of the model saved in 4 backups in my computer and DVDs.
One of these files are the entire pages as pdfs ( pdf format ) of the first 6 pages of this thread.
If I can be useful to you drop me a note.

Best:
Jimmy

Great to see you Laurent, very glad you are doing really fine :cool_2: and really thank you for sharing all those pics. Nice [i]toys[/i] - I have very same interests - sailboat in 1:1, motocycle, modelships :smallsmile: but only in my dreams so far :heh: - glad I can see a fine example to learn something for my retirement for which I yet have to work very hard :heh: :heh:

Love your pictures, as a shiplover - Proteus especially of course :smallsmile:

Whenever your [i]finger itch [/i] become unbearable so you decide building to pacify it you shall know you have an audience to see the result of your approach which I really like - practical, simple and with beautiful results.

Cheers, :wave_1:

Yevgeniy

It's now for about one year I didn't touch anything...

I'm following now, with my wife, three years of evening school to become painters. We learn to draw/paint and we also have some "Art history" lessons. Retirement is within 6 years for me, I have to be prepared for it :big_grin:

two paintings I did in school, quite naïve, I know, but I'm learning for it. First one is oil on canvas, second one is oil on paper glued on a MDF board:
[img]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-g4VgtspUAjg/T3WbE0lUc4I/AAAAAAAAEto/s1Sx0KTSRtY/s640/DSCN1297.JPG[/img]
[img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0HWSQBKWx1Q/T5kDEv9QisI/AAAAAAAAEvg/Q1gYd1aO-jc/s640/DSCN1372.JPG[/img]

My main focus should be to become a "ship's portrayer", I painted the following portrait of "Proteus" two years ago when we did a little course by a painter at Brussels:
[img]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-zyyZkJVhMrY/TRhfprwYP2I/AAAAAAAAEIQ/876ahWHqfOA/s640/IMGP2824.JPG[/img]

the full album:
https://picasaweb.google.com/117569696778773352128/StagePeintureCollier#

I also bought myself a new toy, I sold my old beaten up 1975 Chevy to get this:
[img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RgSt8Aq0-gw/T7YBZP1hclI/AAAAAAAAEvs/FDnVKgP8S8w/s640/foto.JPG[/img]

Life is too short, I'm 47 years old, becoming a teenager again.
:woo_hoo:


And to accomplish my complete burial, I still have that *#°&% 1967 wooden sailboat that desperatly needs a lot of TLC:
https://picasaweb.google.com/117569696778773352128/ReparationBordeProteus#

So, as you see, no time for modelling whatever I would like to.
By the way, just got from a German fellow modeller a wonderful shipyard plan from the Flensburger Shiffbau Gesellschaft, dating from 1889, of a German emigrant ship for the european-australian run via the cape, running under sails & steam, being 333 feet long. Yummie, my fingers get itchy!

Thanks a lot for the picasa albums from another fan of cereal building of yours :woo_hoo:

May I ask whether you are building or planning to build something new? :roll_eyes:

Cheers,

Yevgeniy

Hi Raul,

Zinnia's pictures were put on a server which disappeared, and I unfortunately have no back-up anymore.

May I suggest you to take a look at another topic of mine, where I speak about a little merchant steam ship, "Proteus", the boats having been built the same way as Zinnia's, even if not explained thorougly:
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=56695

Other pictures of Zinnia boats I gathered are here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/117569696778773352128/HMSZinnia04AoT2008#
https://picasaweb.google.com/117569696778773352128/HMSZinnia03DCembre2008#

Regards,

Laurent

Dear Laurent

I'm very much interested in the way you build your boats.

The photographs would support the understanding but it seems to me, they are down/off.

Would you mind to reload them?

Either way - thank you for sharing your remarkable practice & skills

best regards
Raul

Laurent,

Thank you very much for your reply :thumbs_up_1:

My experience with PVA for paper was bad. I laminated cardboard keel with paper (about 50 cm long) and when started to make a paper model (in 'classic' way) the plates did not fit the hull. Colleagues on paper forum said that PVA is water based so it distorts paper and cardboard (of course if used for small areas it is not so important). It made my hull longer :heh:

Look what this guy is saying: http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/79752-post10.html.
I had all problems he discribes with PVAT. Here is full discussion: http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/tips-tricks/5307-pva-convert.html

I turned to you because now I am not going to make a 'classic paper model' but rather use 'Zinnia technology' for my sub :big_grin: with some additions. I understand your experience with PVA is good.

I also found PU (polyurethane based - right?) glues and they were recommended on Russian forum as contact glue having good adhesion. Thank you for this suggestion - I will know I am on the right track.

As to foil plating I am going to make a little trick. You probably know about copper foil tape for Tiffany (Tiffany being technique of working with painted glass and other things - sorry if you know already). This tape has adhesive on one side and is like Scotch but made of copper. The adhesive is said to be very strong for life. One guy has laminated his wooden hull with it (filled and sanded beforehand) not applying any glud. Here is a link to similar foil: http://www.vitrage.biz/index.php?categoryID=5&category_slug=copper-foil I am sure you have similar in Europe - we are copying your technologies you know :heh:

Thanks again.

Yevgeniy

Hi Yevgeniy,

hereby the glues I used on Zinnia:

- for gluing paper plates to balza hull --> I used PVA glue
- for gluing cardboard walls between each other on superstructure --> PVA glue again, or CA glue sometimes
- for making davits out of cardboard --> CA glue, for speed & strength
- for paper-to-cardboard (especially on large areas) --> PVA
- for cardboard-to-cardboard (also espesially on large areas) --> PVA

PVA glue doesn't distord paper as long as the use of that glue is limited to the areas to be glued. glueing paper on wood won't distord the paper either.

For the hull om my actual project, I used PU glue ( D4 quality ), that kind of glue also allows glueing of wood on plastic or on metal, so you could use that PU glue to fix the copper plating on your wooden hull. Be aware that that glue, when it sets, expands a lot...

the PU resin I used to watertighten my paper can be available at a local shipyard or at a local polyester shop, I presume you have such business near your home?

Regards,

Laurent

Laurent,

While awaiting your next built report I still have a question as to your Zinnia technology if I may (although I read through your whole report I may have forgotten it already).

I am going to build a sub out of cardboard and bristol paper using a paper model. But I want to use your "Zinnia-technology" making it waterproof for a test (with drying oil as I do not have an access to Vosschemie brand) also priming and painting. I am also going to use copper foil to have a smoth metal-like surface (it will be copper ;-))

I wonder what sort of glue did you use for Zinnia structures:
- for gluing paper plates to balza hull
- for gluing cardboard walls between each other on superstructure
- for making davits out of cardboard
- for paper-to-cardboard (especially on large areas)
- for cardboard-to-cardboard (also espesially on large areas)

The reason I am cautious about this is because I am not going to use PVA glue (being water based it will distort cardboard and and bristol). Also I heard UHU glues get damaged by paint if the paint penetrates into glue layer (almost inevitable then): I am going to fill (with automotive filler in can), prime and paint my model. So your experience will be much useful.

Thank you in advance.

Yevgeniy

Hi to all,

many thanks for your comments.

As I already said, there will be a building report on this very forum, just allow me some time...

I'm now working on the counter stern, it is most of the times assumed that counter sterns are very difficult to build in model, I'll proof you this is untrue

Regards,

Laurent

[quote="Laurent"]Hi Yevgeniy,

MRB has the exclusivity for my writings, my drawings/plans and the pics that appear in the magazine, they don't have the exclusivity of what hasn't been published.

I'll put a building report here later, allow me some time to build further on...

Regards,

Laurent[/quote]
Hello Laurent I have a similar problem but exclusivity normally relates to other magazines. Although 90% of my work remains in hard copy simply because it's good to keep things current and fresh for the magazine .
Dave Wooley :thumbs_up_1:

....while I understand that the magazine as to have have a current shelf life--and thereby the article needs to extend exclusively to that shelf life-- could you--perhaps a month in arrears maybe--share some pics/ techniques of the build here here as well?

Obviously few of the engish speaking world will have access to the magazine--leave alone be able to read it... :big_grin:

so... :thumbs_up_1: --.... maybe a few pics and a condensed version of text-(to make it easy and quick for you!! ) would be appreciated by me certainly--and doubtlessly the remainder of Modelwarships.com as well!! :thumbs_up_1:

Cheers

JIM B

Laurent, I had a good read of the 18 pages last night, I have not posted for a long time, I enjoyed the build very much, :woo_hoo: :woo_hoo: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

Hi Yevgeniy,

MRB has the exclusivity for my writings, my drawings/plans and the pics that appear in the magazine, they don't have the exclusivity of what hasn't been published.

I'll put a building report here later, allow me some time to build further on...

Regards,

Laurent

Great and sad news same time! Sad because we do not have you here writing the same for free :heh: :heh: :heh: and great that your shipbuilding knowledge and talents are now working :thumbs_up_1: My congratulations :wave_1:

Yevgeniy

Hi Guys,

Zinnia is in the back burner since a while, as all my spare time goes in writing articles for a french modelling magazine, the "Modèle Réduit de Bateau". I'm involved now in a new project, building a 1921 dutch cargo ship, explaining the whole construction from the drawings I made, to the completed model.

By the way, the september 2009 issue covers the first article about this build, the october issue contains the free plan at scale 1/100, the november issue will contain a lot of pictures of the plank-on-frames hull building process.

here a picture of this cargo ship:
[img]http://www.kroonvaarders.com/alfabet/oschepen/odysseus.jpg[/img]

Regards,

Laurent

Yes, dying to see more Laurent. Any more pics of Zinnia? :please: