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Finally the deck ist finished. After lot of sanding and sealing with epoxy it is now smooth like a baby's ass. The skylights are also finished. The roofs were etched and the housings made of sheet styrene.  At last I could glue all the parts I made before (bridges, barbettes, skylights, funnels and vents) to the hull and use the maybe last weekend of fine weather this year to bring her to the water.    She looks quite impressive there. But unfortunately the pictures have to be her just floating, as one of couplings came loose so the bb screw was not turning. But on the other side my new 2,4 Ghz radio control was working very fine and I discovered how relaxing live is without changing crystals. As the ship is quite heavy I really need to build a good strong case for her WITH WHEELS for the next season. It definitly takes the fun away if you have to carry her to the lake in your arms. @ wefalck: Nice to see you in this forum. And thanks for your offer. That would be nice. Also the guns are all finished I have a Fusée here that needs a gun too (and I don't have such a good documentation on her big gun). Finally the deck ist finished. After lot of sanding and sealing with epoxy it is now smooth like a baby's ass. The skylights are also finished. The roofs were etched and the housings made of sheet styrene.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass096.jpg[/img]
At last I could glue all the parts I made before (bridges, barbettes, skylights, funnels and vents) to the hull and use the maybe last weekend of fine weather this year to bring her to the water.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass093.jpg[/img]
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass094.jpg[/img]
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass095.jpg[/img]
She looks quite impressive there. But unfortunately the pictures have to be her just floating, as one of couplings came loose so the bb screw was not turning. But on the other side my new 2,4 Ghz radio control was working very fine and I discovered how relaxing live is without changing crystals.
As the ship is quite heavy I really need to build a good strong case for her WITH WHEELS for the next season. It definitly takes the fun away if you have to carry her to the lake in your arms.
@ wefalck: Nice to see you in this forum. And thanks for your offer. That would be nice. Also the guns are all finished I have a Fusée here that needs a gun too (and I don't have such a good documentation on her big gun).
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:31 pm |
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@Egberth
I must say, your work gets better and better ! Particularly liked the small guns.
BTW, I have accumulated quite a bit of 'original' material on French naval artillery (someone cleaned out the library of one artillery establishments and put it up on ebay ...), so just drop a line, if you need additional information.
@Egberth
I must say, your work gets better and better ! Particularly liked the small guns.
BTW, I have accumulated quite a bit of 'original' material on French naval artillery (someone cleaned out the library of one artillery establishments and put it up on ebay ...), so just drop a line, if you need additional information.
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:36 am |
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A nice layed deck brings a model to life .Nice job . :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
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Well, together with Renaud Aimard and long studies of pictures of the Massena, contemporary french ships and models in the Musée de Marine in Paris and Toulon I think I could make an educated guess, that the planks would have had a length of about 12 meters and were laid in a six-butt-scheme (that means, that all butts were laid with 2 meters distance to the butts in the row next to it, so the butts of every 6 rows were on the same level (unless the space between two obstacles (f.e. margins of companionways) is shorter than 12 meters, in which case it would have made no sense for the shipbuilders to cut the planks). The width of the planks was 15 cm. The next questin was, which superstructures had margin planks. According to pictures of the Masséna the funnels and the companionways definitly had margin planks and the vents (even the big ones) and the outline of the planked areas (yeah, no joggling) had none. I guessed, that the barbettes and the bridges would have had margin planks, too. As I was afraid that – after the structures with margin planks were rounded for the most – I need to cut a plank 10 times from veneer to have one surviving piece, I decided to cut the margin for each structure as one piece and add only "decorative" cuts to the piece, where the butts of the margin planks would have been. These pieces were glued to the deck using a printout of the plan as a template. Then the planks were cut from veneer using a cutter, a selfemade indexing aid (a straight thick piece of perspex with two pieces of 1.5 mm styrene glued to it) and a steel ruler). I used cherry wood and american cherry would mixed together. These have a slightly different colour, so you can identify the differnt planks on the deck. I prefer this to blackening the margins of the planks with a pencil ore something similar to represent the caulking of the planks as the caulking can't be spotted on a real ship deck while the differnt plank-tones can (for which reason I consider the recently availiable laser-cut-decks for plastic models as a bunch of rubbish).  After drawing some guidelines on the deck to get all the planks in a straight line these were each cut and glued seperatly to the deck (THIS is much more Zen than any form of stonegardening, archery or tea-ceremony, I guarantee!) using two-component-epoxy (which makes it quite a sticky mess). For the promenade- and the after-gun-deck I used a slightly differnt method: The promenade-deck had the disadvantage of being awfully rounded so it woud have been quite difficult to draw the margin of the deck (which was also rounded but of course in a differnt way), so I decided to print the plan of the deck on flimsy paper, glue the planks on the paper, cut the whole thing out and glue the whole wooden deck to the hull.   This makes the whole thing much easier (well, at least if you have no margin planks). Because the glue makes the paper transperent you can spot the drawing from the bottom of the sheet and cut the deck to it exact shape. As this was so easy, I did it the same way for the after-gun deck. For bigger deck parts (as the main deck) I wouldn't recommend this method, though, as on big areas there is the risk of warping due to the moisturizing of the paper by the glue. Finally the work was done and is waiting for some sanding, sealing, sanding, sealing ...   To be continued ... Well, together with Renaud Aimard and long studies of pictures of the Massena, contemporary french ships and models in the Musée de Marine in Paris and Toulon I think I could make an educated guess, that the planks would have had a length of about 12 meters and were laid in a six-butt-scheme (that means, that all butts were laid with 2 meters distance to the butts in the row next to it, so the butts of every 6 rows were on the same level (unless the space between two obstacles (f.e. margins of companionways) is shorter than 12 meters, in which case it would have made no sense for the shipbuilders to cut the planks). The width of the planks was 15 cm.
The next questin was, which superstructures had margin planks. According to pictures of the Masséna the funnels and the companionways definitly had margin planks and the vents (even the big ones) and the outline of the planked areas (yeah, no joggling) had none. I guessed, that the barbettes and the bridges would have had margin planks, too.
As I was afraid that – after the structures with margin planks were rounded for the most – I need to cut a plank 10 times from veneer to have one surviving piece, I decided to cut the margin for each structure as one piece and add only "decorative" cuts to the piece, where the butts of the margin planks would have been. These pieces were glued to the deck using a printout of the plan as a template. Then the planks were cut from veneer using a cutter, a selfemade indexing aid (a straight thick piece of perspex with two pieces of 1.5 mm styrene glued to it) and a steel ruler). I used cherry wood and american cherry would mixed together. These have a slightly different colour, so you can identify the differnt planks on the deck. I prefer this to blackening the margins of the planks with a pencil ore something similar to represent the caulking of the planks as the caulking can't be spotted on a real ship deck while the differnt plank-tones can (for which reason I consider the recently availiable laser-cut-decks for plastic models as a bunch of rubbish).
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass090.jpg[/img]
After drawing some guidelines on the deck to get all the planks in a straight line these were each cut and glued seperatly to the deck (THIS is much more Zen than any form of stonegardening, archery or tea-ceremony, I guarantee!) using two-component-epoxy (which makes it quite a sticky mess).
For the promenade- and the after-gun-deck I used a slightly differnt method: The promenade-deck had the disadvantage of being awfully rounded so it woud have been quite difficult to draw the margin of the deck (which was also rounded but of course in a differnt way), so I decided to print the plan of the deck on flimsy paper, glue the planks on the paper, cut the whole thing out and glue the whole wooden deck to the hull.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass088.jpg[/img]
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass089.jpg[/img]
This makes the whole thing much easier (well, at least if you have no margin planks). Because the glue makes the paper transperent you can spot the drawing from the bottom of the sheet and cut the deck to it exact shape. As this was so easy, I did it the same way for the after-gun deck. For bigger deck parts (as the main deck) I wouldn't recommend this method, though, as on big areas there is the risk of warping due to the moisturizing of the paper by the glue.
Finally the work was done and is waiting for some sanding, sealing, sanding, sealing ...
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass091.jpg[/img]
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass092.jpg[/img]
To be continued ...
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:27 pm |
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JP64 wrote:
And this ship is real what I like too ..... "unusual" and (if I can say) "ugly-looking" but terrifying with such long gun barrels !!
Yep. I think the "terrifying" look ist a speciality of the french Pre-Dreadnoughts with their high-reaching superstructure and overall factory-like look. This and the nevertheless somewhat art-nouveau-style make french ships of this period the idol for every steam-punk-enthusiast. Although Gallipoli teached that mines doesn't care for style ... [quote="JP64"]
And this ship is real what I like too ..... "unusual" and (if I can say) "ugly-looking" but terrifying with such long gun barrels !!
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Yep. I think the "terrifying" look ist a speciality of the french Pre-Dreadnoughts with their high-reaching superstructure and overall factory-like look. This and the nevertheless somewhat art-nouveau-style make french ships of this period the idol for every steam-punk-enthusiast. Although Gallipoli teached that mines doesn't care for style ...
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:06 am |
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I am very glad indeed that Renaud is able to assist you with your quest. He really IS a very helpful chap-- and the model is really looking very good indeed! JIM Baumann  I am very glad indeed that Renaud is able to assist you with your quest.
He really IS a very helpful chap-- and the model is really looking very good indeed!
JIM Baumann :wave_1:
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:32 pm |
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Hi Egberth Outstanding work on a difficult and unusual subject . Dave Wooley  Hi Egberth Outstanding work on a difficult and unusual subject .
Dave Wooley :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:25 pm |
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Hi, Egberth !!! Wonderful job !! I'm following this thread with a very great interest !! Your making of little weapons, in such scale is really interesting and source of thinking  And this ship is real what I like too ..... "unusual" and (if I can say) "ugly-looking" but terrifying with such long gun barrels !! Ciao Jp Hi, Egberth !!!
Wonderful job !!
I'm following this thread with a very great interest !!
Your making of little weapons, in such scale is really interesting and source of thinking :-) :-)
And this ship is real what I like too ..... "unusual" and (if I can say) "ugly-looking" but terrifying with such long gun barrels !!
Ciao
Jp
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:56 am |
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The small arms department is finished by now:  I finally made the masters for the 100 mm guns on my lathe and cast them in resin. Unfortunally there were no plans or clear fotos from behind of the 100 mm gun with shield (I only had a fragment of a plan of the 100 mm gun in a shieldless variation), so the "interior" is more or less an educated guess.  The recoil brakes (from brass tube) and the handwheels for elevation and lateral alignment (etched parts) were added as the lock and rack (also etched parts).   For the 37 mm guns I had only a few pictures of the model in the Museé de Marine in Paris and a very simplified drawing.  The base was again turned and the barrels filed from 1.5 mm brass rod on my Dremel. For the schoulder support and the pistol grip I designed parts that were etched and soldered to the barrels.   The mounting was made from brass rod and tubes.  Next thing will be the skylights and davits (unless I can manage to find out the plank's length and planking scheme used on the Masséna and can finally start planking. Although Renaud Aimard – thanks again to Jim for sharing this nice contact – provided me with some pictures (which show that no margin planks were used (yeah!!!) but some sort of metal hedging (dammit!) along the outline) I couldn't figure out the length of the planks). To be continued ... The small arms department is finished by now:
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass080.jpg[/img]
I finally made the masters for the 100 mm guns on my lathe and cast them in resin. Unfortunally there were no plans or clear fotos from behind of the 100 mm gun with shield (I only had a fragment of a plan of the 100 mm gun in a shieldless variation), so the "interior" is more or less an educated guess.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass081.jpg[/img]
The recoil brakes (from brass tube) and the handwheels for elevation and lateral alignment (etched parts) were added as the lock and rack (also etched parts).
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass083.jpg[/img][img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass084.jpg[/img]
For the 37 mm guns I had only a few pictures of the model in the Museé de Marine in Paris and a very simplified drawing.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass087.jpg[/img]
The base was again turned and the barrels filed from 1.5 mm brass rod on my Dremel. For the schoulder support and the pistol grip I designed parts that were etched and soldered to the barrels.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass085.jpg[/img][img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass086.jpg[/img]
The mounting was made from brass rod and tubes.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass082.jpg[/img]
Next thing will be the skylights and davits (unless I can manage to find out the plank's length and planking scheme used on the Masséna and can finally start planking. Although Renaud Aimard – thanks again to Jim for sharing this nice contact – provided me with some pictures (which show that no margin planks were used (yeah!!!) but some sort of metal hedging (dammit!) along the outline) I couldn't figure out the length of the planks).
To be continued ...
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:42 pm |
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Egberth,
You aren't alone. It seems that no matter how carefully I study the plans and photos I inevitably miss some detail and have to go back and correct it.
I like your solution for the canvas - it looks good, even in a close-up photo!
Phil
Egberth,
You aren't alone. It seems that no matter how carefully I study the plans and photos I inevitably miss some detail and have to go back and correct it.
I like your solution for the canvas - it looks good, even in a close-up photo!
Phil
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:07 pm |
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Glad you are back to work . :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:55 am |
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Excellent work Egberth - well done and thank for sharing the tips. Andrew Excellent work Egberth - well done and thank for sharing the tips.
Andrew
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:40 am |
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Very nice, and its good to have you aboard again. :woo_hoo: :woo_hoo: :thumbs_up_1: :wave_1: :wave_1:
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:09 am |
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Well, sometimes it is very useful to read a plan before starting to build. While correcting the gaps of the the fore 138 mm guns and looking on the pictures to find the correct shape of the lid I got the feeling, that there is something that is not really right. After I received a great photo from Renaud Aimard that feeling got me to take a deeper look on the plans and yes, the feeling was right. The structure underneath the gap was all wrong. I built a sharp corner while the original ship had a smooth somewhat S-shaped form. My built  Original ship:  Especially painful because the plan shows exact that curve:  So the only possible consequence was to cut away the corner and sculpture a new one using lots of putty (needless to say it was a pain in the ass to sand the part without damaging the windows, but setbacks form character).  As I am still a little bit afraid of spray-painting the new "corner" (without affecting the windows) I turned to happier parts of the model. Finally I completed the crow's nest with the 4.7 mm guns. The struts on which the guns are mounted had to be shortend a little bit, to get the right height (these were shorter because the guns had to be usually aimed steeper downwards, which was hardly possible for a normal sized sailor with the original mounting). The next thing was the canvas covering of the crow's nest. Although this will prevent a good sight of the interior of the crow's nest, almost all pictures show the ship with this covering so it has to be displayed. But to get a realistic looking covering was a bit tricky. As the covering had only an opening at the front, so I copied the form of every "field" between the rods and put them together to get a template. First I tried paper tissue but was not happy with the effect. After some trials with different papers I finally ended with 40g paper that i soaked with watered down white glue.  After I finished the crow's nests I moved to the 100 mm guns. I constructed templates for the shield and the carriage and etched them in 0.2 mm nickel silver. The parts were then soldered together. The master for the mounting was turned from resin. After creating a form from silicone thee mountings were cast in resin.  To be continued ... Well, sometimes it is very useful to read a plan before starting to build. While correcting the gaps of the the fore 138 mm guns and looking on the pictures to find the correct shape of the lid I got the feeling, that there is something that is not really right. After I received a great photo from Renaud Aimard that feeling got me to take a deeper look on the plans and yes, the feeling was right. The structure underneath the gap was all wrong. I built a sharp corner while the original ship had a smooth somewhat S-shaped form.
My built
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass074.jpg[/img]
Original ship:
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass078.jpg[/img]
Especially painful because the plan shows exact that curve:
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass079.jpg[/img]
So the only possible consequence was to cut away the corner and sculpture a new one using lots of putty (needless to say it was a pain in the ass to sand the part without damaging the windows, but setbacks form character).
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass077.jpg[/img]
As I am still a little bit afraid of spray-painting the new "corner" (without affecting the windows) I turned to happier parts of the model.
Finally I completed the crow's nest with the 4.7 mm guns. The struts on which the guns are mounted had to be shortend a little bit, to get the right height (these were shorter because the guns had to be usually aimed steeper downwards, which was hardly possible for a normal sized sailor with the original mounting).
The next thing was the canvas covering of the crow's nest. Although this will prevent a good sight of the interior of the crow's nest, almost all pictures show the ship with this covering so it has to be displayed. But to get a realistic looking covering was a bit tricky. As the covering had only an opening at the front, so I copied the form of every "field" between the rods and put them together to get a template. First I tried paper tissue but was not happy with the effect. After some trials with different papers I finally ended with 40g paper that i soaked with watered down white glue.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass075.jpg[/img]
After I finished the crow's nests I moved to the 100 mm guns. I constructed templates for the shield and the carriage and etched them in 0.2 mm nickel silver. The parts were then soldered together. The master for the mounting was turned from resin. After creating a form from silicone thee mountings were cast in resin.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass076.jpg[/img]
To be continued ...
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Most interesting-- I must have a look at my Massena now...!  JB Most interesting-- I must have a look at my Massena now...! :scratch:
JB :thumbs_up_1:
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:32 am |
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Very nice, Very nice, :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:32 pm |
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Well sometimes modelmaking is quite boring: As mentioned earlier I etched all the windows to put them in the holes, but as these were partially fringed on the edges (and all the holes in the upper row were set too high) I decided to make them more precise. So I used filler, a razor-blade (perfect spatulum) and one of the etched windows, to give them a tight fitting shape (and this 120 times). Then the limps were added (etched parts provided by Peter Lienau, http://www.hobby-lobby-modellbau.com) so after spraypainting the etched windows have simply to be glued in. As glue I used nail polish which dries quickly although it gives not that a strong bond.  (finished holes, lids and aft gun hatches but still no lids for the aft 138 mm gun)Similar work was done on the bulleyes. The holes were drilled, sanded to a funnel-shaped opening (to make a perfect fit to the gilded ferrule I use as bulleyes) and provided with limbs (again from Peter Lienau). The ferrule had to be shortened because of the removable deck and superstructure so I made a little helper from a wooden clothespin. I just cut it flat at the front then drilled a hole between the halfes to hold the ferrule. With this it was easy to cut al the ferrules on my little circular saw. Well, sometimes boring is not enough, because as I was finished I realized two things: First thing was, that I had forgotten the hatches for the two 4.7 cm guns facing to the aft main gun. O.K. this was quickly fixed. I just cut the hatches out and painted the room behind it white so I can later just glue floors, hatch coverings and the gun in. The second thing was worse as from the close examination of the pictures of the Massena I discoverd that the gaps for the fore and aft 138 mm guns each had a sort of lid at the top, covering the gap tight to the gun. The gaps for the fore 138 mm guns had also some sort of raised part around the bottom of the guns.  So lids were added from 1 mm sheet styrene and the raised part was made from 4 mm perspex. These of course had to be sanded and filled to match with the structure and unnessesary to say while sanding I ripped much of the lids off which had to be fixed again but finally it was finished. (fore 138 mm gun with raised struchture around the bottom and lid around the top – sorry for the dust, but as black (and of course buff) is the only aesthetically sufficient colour for battleships it really sucks when it comes to dust)The ship so far (now with the windows it's starting to look real french):    To be continued ... Well sometimes modelmaking is quite boring: As mentioned earlier I etched all the windows to put them in the holes, but as these were partially fringed on the edges (and all the holes in the upper row were set too high) I decided to make them more precise. So I used filler, a razor-blade (perfect spatulum) and one of the etched windows, to give them a tight fitting shape (and this 120 times). Then the limps were added (etched parts provided by Peter Lienau, http://www.hobby-lobby-modellbau.com) so after spraypainting the etched windows have simply to be glued in. As glue I used nail polish which dries quickly although it gives not that a strong bond.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass073.jpg[/img]
[size=85](finished holes, lids and aft gun hatches but still no lids for the aft 138 mm gun)[/size]
Similar work was done on the bulleyes. The holes were drilled, sanded to a funnel-shaped opening (to make a perfect fit to the gilded ferrule I use as bulleyes) and provided with limbs (again from Peter Lienau). The ferrule had to be shortened because of the removable deck and superstructure so I made a little helper from a wooden clothespin. I just cut it flat at the front then drilled a hole between the halfes to hold the ferrule. With this it was easy to cut al the ferrules on my little circular saw.
Well, sometimes boring is not enough, because as I was finished I realized two things: First thing was, that I had forgotten the hatches for the two 4.7 cm guns facing to the aft main gun. O.K. this was quickly fixed. I just cut the hatches out and painted the room behind it white so I can later just glue floors, hatch coverings and the gun in. The second thing was worse as from the close examination of the pictures of the Massena I discoverd that the gaps for the fore and aft 138 mm guns each had a sort of lid at the top, covering the gap tight to the gun. The gaps for the fore 138 mm guns had also some sort of raised part around the bottom of the guns.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass069.jpg[/img]
So lids were added from 1 mm sheet styrene and the raised part was made from 4 mm perspex. These of course had to be sanded and filled to match with the structure and unnessesary to say while sanding I ripped much of the lids off which had to be fixed again but finally it was finished.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass074.jpg[/img]
[size=85](fore 138 mm gun with raised struchture around the bottom and lid around the top – sorry for the dust, but as black (and of course buff) is the only aesthetically sufficient colour for battleships it really sucks when it comes to dust)[/size]
The ship so far (now with the windows it's starting to look real french):
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass070.jpg[/img]
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass071.jpg[/img]
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass072.jpg[/img]
To be continued ...
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:22 pm |
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Egbeth expertly done , very accomplished work on the gun mounts and bridge details I like the method you explained for the voice pipes. :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :wave_1:
Dave Wooley
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:27 am |
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Your work is incredabe .Wish I could cast things as good as you . :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:24 am |
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After some time I am now back to my major project, the Massena. As I was still not in the mood to fix my problem with the windows and bulleyes I decided to give the fore- and after-bridge a bit attention. From the fore-bridge Jim Baumann sent me a great picture showing a lot of detail, so I started there. The first thing I decided to do was to glue the cardhouse on the second storey to the floor but before that I had to do the interior (which I had to add as the cardhouse has many windows an is open at the back towards the central stairway-tower. As the plan show there was a binnacle, a chest of unknown purpose and six communication tubes housed in the cardhouse. The binnacle was turned and the Kelvin's or navigator's balls (2 mm balls from an old added from an old Ball bearing) on two styrene triangles glued to it. The communication tubes were made from thin electronic solder (as the rest of the tubing on the bridge) and lead through the floor in the coning tower below it. The chest is just cut fom a square styrene rod.  Jim's picture shows also the complex structure of beams below the crow's nest. These were etched and stripes of carefully bent 0,3 mm styrene glued between them.  One thing I really like at these aged ships are the early small- and quickfire-guns. I have built lots of them (german 3,7 cm Hotchkiss, 8 mm Maxim, Nordenfeldt-gun, german 8,8 cm L/30 SK) with great fun. So I happily started with the "canons de 47 mm de marine". Two of them were placed on the first storey of the forward bridge (later the two 37 mm guns were also replaced with 47 mm guns. I haven't decided yet, which of these variants I will represent on the model), two behind the aft-bridge (later replaced with 100 mm guns) and four of them in each of the crow's nests. Thegun was mounted on a base of struts screwed on a base in shape of a cut off circle. To represent this I constructed a explosion drawing of eight struts linked together at the upper end, that were then etched. The etched struts were then rolled and soldered together the struts spread and soldered to the (also etched) base. The feet of the struts were the decorated with huge screws (cut from an 1 mm styrene rod) as seen on the model of the gun in the musée de marine in Paris.  For the master of the barrel and the two "tubes" on both sides of the barrel these were turned and glued together. From this master a silicone form was taken and the barrels cast in resin. The gun carriage, the shoulder support (two halves) and the pistol handle were all etched from 0,2 (the carriage from 0,4) mm nickel-silver.  (grafic of etched parts used for the 47 mm gun) The parts were then glued/soldered together and finally painted (I recently laid my hand on a can of very good gold-spray for the brass parts. It's nearly as chromium plate in gold).  For the railings I used stanchions from Peter Lienau (which can be purchased at http://www.hobby-lobby-modellbau.com/onlineshop/index.php/cat/c484_Reling-1-100-Standard.html). As the railing on the first and second storey had a thick (wooden?) rail on the top the top hole in the stanchions had to be drilled to 0,8 mm and than half cut off. The top railing was then bent to the shape of the bridge (it's quite a frigging job to bend a 0,8 mm brass rod to a complicated shape ensuring that the form stays plain) and soldered to the stanchions. The lower railing was made from thin copper wire.  (just a test of the later gun configuration) The binnacles on the cardhouse and the wings of the second storey were turned as the one in the cardhouse (but only to the one on the cardhouse navigator's balls were added).  (as you can see I made a failure with the railing on the lower storey leaving the gap for the stairway next to the cabin behind the stairway tower. This is fixed by now.)  (view from behind, giving a look in the cardhouse) To be continued ... After some time I am now back to my major project, the Massena. As I was still not in the mood to fix my problem with the windows and bulleyes I decided to give the fore- and after-bridge a bit attention. From the fore-bridge Jim Baumann sent me a great picture showing a lot of detail, so I started there. The first thing I decided to do was to glue the cardhouse on the second storey to the floor but before that I had to do the interior (which I had to add as the cardhouse has many windows an is open at the back towards the central stairway-tower. As the plan show there was a binnacle, a chest of unknown purpose and six communication tubes housed in the cardhouse. The binnacle was turned and the Kelvin's or navigator's balls (2 mm balls from an old added from an old Ball bearing) on two styrene triangles glued to it. The communication tubes were made from thin electronic solder (as the rest of the tubing on the bridge) and lead through the floor in the coning tower below it. The chest is just cut fom a square styrene rod.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass061.jpg[/img]
Jim's picture shows also the complex structure of beams below the crow's nest. These were etched and stripes of carefully bent 0,3 mm styrene glued between them.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass065.jpg[/img]
One thing I really like at these aged ships are the early small- and quickfire-guns. I have built lots of them (german 3,7 cm Hotchkiss, 8 mm Maxim, Nordenfeldt-gun, german 8,8 cm L/30 SK) with great fun. So I happily started with the "canons de 47 mm de marine". Two of them were placed on the first storey of the forward bridge (later the two 37 mm guns were also replaced with 47 mm guns. I haven't decided yet, which of these variants I will represent on the model), two behind the aft-bridge (later replaced with 100 mm guns) and four of them in each of the crow's nests.
Thegun was mounted on a base of struts screwed on a base in shape of a cut off circle. To represent this I constructed a explosion drawing of eight struts linked together at the upper end, that were then etched. The etched struts were then rolled and soldered together the struts spread and soldered to the (also etched) base. The feet of the struts were the decorated with huge screws (cut from an 1 mm styrene rod) as seen on the model of the gun in the musée de marine in Paris.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass062.jpg[/img]
For the master of the barrel and the two "tubes" on both sides of the barrel these were turned and glued together. From this master a silicone form was taken and the barrels cast in resin. The gun carriage, the shoulder support (two halves) and the pistol handle were all etched from 0,2 (the carriage from 0,4) mm nickel-silver.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass063.jpg[/img]
(grafic of etched parts used for the 47 mm gun)
The parts were then glued/soldered together and finally painted (I recently laid my hand on a can of very good gold-spray for the brass parts. It's nearly as chromium plate in gold).
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass064.jpg[/img]
For the railings I used stanchions from Peter Lienau (which can be purchased at [url]http://www.hobby-lobby-modellbau.com/onlineshop/index.php/cat/c484_Reling-1-100-Standard.html[/url]). As the railing on the first and second storey had a thick (wooden?) rail on the top the top hole in the stanchions had to be drilled to 0,8 mm and than half cut off. The top railing was then bent to the shape of the bridge (it's quite a frigging job to bend a 0,8 mm brass rod to a complicated shape ensuring that the form stays plain) and soldered to the stanchions. The lower railing was made from thin copper wire.
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass066.jpg[/img]
(just a test of the later gun configuration)
The binnacles on the cardhouse and the wings of the second storey were turned as the one in the cardhouse (but only to the one on the cardhouse navigator's balls were added).
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass067.jpg[/img]
(as you can see I made a failure with the railing on the lower storey leaving the gap for the stairway next to the cabin behind the stairway tower. This is fixed by now.)
[img]http://smc-wuppertal.de/Schiffe/Massena/Mass068.jpg[/img]
(view from behind, giving a look in the cardhouse)
To be continued ...
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:55 pm |
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