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[quote="SMART-L"]Gentlemen,

I’ve joined this forum not too long ago. So it’s my duty to tell you why I have deserved to bear the name of ship modeller :big_grin:

I’ve been building ship models for quite some time now. I think from the age of 12 but there hasn’t been a lot of activity in the last few years. This was because I started studying Naval Architecture in 2003. And all my free time was swallowed by the study and appropriate social activities, read: drinking beer :woo_hoo:

Now since I have graduated in 2008 some more free time is coming back and with the possibility of creating a nice and decent workshop in my newly owned house I started again on my long shelved projects.

In this topic, I will describe my current new building project. It’s not a warship because I got tired of the instable warship hulls (kidding). I was looking for a bit more color and different types of propulsion and found a platform supply vessel which sparked my interest.
I also have a Dutch frigate in the last stages of detailing but it’s too much advanced for creating a building thread.

Comments and criticism are certainly welcome because I speak very little people who do modeling (I'm not yet with a club). This project will, however, take a little while because I have many other hobbies so do not expect daily updates :heh:

My construction method is not standard and it has come with complications in the past but it suits very well now and has giving me good shaped, light and strong hulls. It may even need a separate topic to make it more clear but in short it comes down to the following steps:

1: manufacturing of frames, keel and decks of 2mm smooth cardboard (yes, paper that is)
2: coating the frames with two layers of 0.5 mm cardboard to form the hull
3: fairing hull with polyester plaster to get a smooth hull
4: coarse sand it with a piece of wood to avoid humps and bumps
5: apply two or more layers of epoxy to the hull to make it watertight and strong enough
6: filling of flaws and creating domes and bulbs with filler
7: again a lot of sanding untill it shines and good coating of the inside with paint so no water gets in the cardboard, I usually paint spaces that become inaccessible during construction with paint before the hull is ready
8: final coating of the hull with at least 3 layers of paint and laquer

Than the model. When looking for a new project I wanted to do something different from building naval vessels. Something with more displacement, so it got more stable on the water. And in a larger scale but not to big. Platform supply vessels are great ships to operate on the water because of the interesting propulsion systems build in. And it allows a lot of detailing and colour to be applied.

[img]http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z330/Pimmelepom/PSV%20Stril%20Odin/StrilOdin2DU-3.jpg[/img]

My experiences with the previous model were that very good and exact drawings are important to a beautiful model. And more importantly to keep in the pace to finish the project in a reasonable amount of time ( I get lazy when having to do too much research :big_grin: ). That's why I wrote the Norwegian shipping company Simon-Møkster Shipping with the request for plans as detailed as possible on one of their ships. I was surprised to see them being very enthusiastic.

Soon I got a mail back with 1:1 CAD yard drawings which were great to show every detail and the exact shape of the hull. I could also use a CAD-program to pick out and enlarge items to print them. After I expressed my enormous gratitude to the company’s technical supervisor I came to the conclusion that something beautiful should be made out of this :smallsmile:

[img]http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z330/Pimmelepom/PSV%20Stril%20Odin/download.jpg[/img]

Gr.
Pim[/quote]

[color=#FF0000]Good day sir
I was surfing the net for my next project and came across you PSV build; lovely model
You mentioned above that you received cad drawings from the builder.
I understand this is an old thread but if still available could you email copies of the drawings for my use.
email address Bikerbob@magma.ca
Thank you for your consideration
Robert[/color]

hi, I am from Mumbai India. while searching for good ship models being built came across this site and particularly psv. stil odin. wiould have loved to see the model being completed.
would like to ask if I can purchase the plans for this model or any similar one from you. -pravin

Although it's a pitty she won't get finished, good luck with the Nanuchka.
Following link goes to a topic at Airbase, filled with Nanuchka pics. Some nice dry dock shots as well.
[url]http://forums.airbase.ru/2017/02/t52950_38--malye-raketnye-korabli-proekta-1234.html[/url]

Hi Mick,

Unfortunately in 2014 I relocated in another part of the country, the Stril Odin got in a box and as my skills improved over time I have not finished her since.
Not sure if I will in the future as the scale 1:75 does not suit me when considering details and sailing behaviour.
Since 2013 I have built 5 tugs all in 1:50 scale and it feels better.

[img]http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z330/Pimmelepom/Fleet/IMG_3159_zpsp6spjeri.jpg[/img]

But good news has arrived! I will start a Nanuschka III scale 1:50 soon!

Regards,
Pim

Hi Mick,

Unfortunately in 2014 I relocated in another part of the country, the Stril Odin got in a box and as my skills improved over time I have not finished her since.
Not sure if I will in the future as the scale 1:75 does not suit me when considering details and sailing behaviour.
Since 2013 I have built 5 tugs all in 1:50 scale and it feels better.



But good news has arrived! I will start a Nanuschka III scale 1:50 soon!

Regards,
Pim

Great work mate. I'll keep a eye on this posting. Well done.

I sailed with a draft of 6.0 cm (should be 6,6) The freeboard of my maindeck was 4.0 cm. While my bow was 11,2 cm above the waterline.
My maindeck however is totally enclosed and the cargorail details are on the shelterdeck so any water splashing up has to travel a distance of 7.5 cm.
It's a little bit more as your Chaconia, mainly because of the difference in scale. I think your deck will get wet in any bit of wind condition.

Gr.
Pim

Hi Pim,

well I measured my freeboard, I have 6.6cm on the main deck. The forecastle is 9.5 - 10cm high. That is on summer draft. Considering the weight, I think I'll go for ballasted weight which will also give her some additional cm of freeboard.
Indeed there is a big difference between the artificial pool they used at Goes and any open water place.

I forgot about the computer monitor factor.
I have a MAC computer and it displays colors with more light.

Thanks Luky. As said earlier by Neptune, all materials used are mentioned in my first few posts in this topic. I do regularly use the rusty metal paint on other boats, but all colours of the Odin were supplied by Simon Mokster Shipping so no reason to doubt that. And as you can see on the newbuild photo at the beginning of this page it's a sort of purple, not brownish red. The photo used in my reply however was 'touched up' a little so in reality it does look a little darker.

Neptune, the pool used didn't have much waves going on and the ship was on her unloaded waterline so a lot of freeboard was available.
Second, the ship is very stable as it was used for carrying pipes and does have an extreme beam of the hull. I did get some water on the freeing ports but absolutely nothing on the maindeck as I even sailed with a not watertight deck cover.
Also the portholes in the bow are not closed yet with glass and I think because of the flare of the bow no water came in here as well. The bow-wave did roll over the 'bulb' with significant height though..
Last year I sailed the Odin in Bf.6 in a pond and she only tilted over 1 degree or 2.

Every ship behaves on a different way even as a model so it's not save to say you have no water on your Chaconia. Keep in mind that you are using a smaller scale than me so I doubt that you have the same freeboard as me. Also a different hull form which will react more slower than the Odin on incoming waves I guess.
You'll have to try it out and let me know:)

Gr.
Pim

Checked it with my own eyes, it's a pretty good match right now.
In the past anti-fouling paints mainly based on the same ingredients also giving them the very same "rust primer" look/colour.
Nowadays there are a multitude of anti-fouling paints, including silicone paints and self-polishing ones, it depends on what you will use your ship for. They all have different colours. The paint used on this model also very much reflects the paint on tankers.

As for the cardboard, in the first post of this topic he mentions all thicknesses and type of cardboard he used.

[quote="Luky"]Very nice model and great workmanship!

The only thing I would change is the red paint. It does not look right at all.
I lived on boats most of my life.
Paint the bottom with rusty red metal primer if you ever paint it again.
The it will look real. That is what real bottom paint looks like.[/quote]
Colours are not always represented correctly on computer monitors, whether as a result of the camera and lighting settings or because your monitor shows colours different from the original. Regardless, the builder posted a photo of the real ship's hull bottom colour, and the model's shade is, I think, a good match for a new coat of paint.

Very nice model and great workmanship!

The only thing I would change is the red paint. It does not look right at all.
I lived on boats most of my life.
Paint the bottom with rusty red metal primer if you ever paint it again.
The it will look real. That is what real bottom paint looks like.

When you say "cardboard" it means nothing.
Can you tell us if it is single weight ,double weight, or triple weight illustration board?
Is it purchased from a art store? Picture framers ?
Is it white on both sides?

Otherwise it is like when a math teacher gives you a problem and you asked where he got the numbers, and he says, " I picked them at random." Then I say ,"What if the numbers were too large or too small?"
He says, "That is not your concern." that is one reason I did not learn math very well. I want the whole story,not just part of it.

Sure you can, everybody around here knows my name, the Neptune tag just goes a long way back...

One thing I was wondering, because I saw it sailing so shortly... I noticed you have a very similar freeboard to mine, so I was wondering if you have lots of water coming over when going at speed and manoeuvring?
The main deck of Chaconia is just slightly higher than your aft sides, so I'm kind of curious to see how my details will keep ;)

Hey Neptune! (don't know if I can call you by your real name;))

That's a very nice picture you made, and thanks for the compliments! Was good to talk to you too, a bit too short because things were very busy like you can imagine with all the people around..
There will be an update anytime because it has been a while, mainly because of the birth of a son and the building of the second model you saw :)
Here is a picture of the sailing, she was handling very well! Going sideways with a little touch to the stick and very manoeverable going astern..

[img]http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z330/Pimmelepom/PSV%20Stril%20Odin/IMG_1065a_zpsfe27f5ac.jpg[/img]

Gr.
Pim

After inspecting this ship with my own eyes last weekend, I must say I was more impressed (and convinced it was a really from paper), than before.
I've even had the luck of seeing it sail for a short while (and had the honor of talking to the builder).
Any more updates or construction work updates Pim?
Here's one I took last weekend at the Hobby show.

[img]http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac145/Sevmash/stril_zpse7cb4e2d.jpg[/img]

Hi Robert, looking forward to you building Stril Commander;)

Thanks Umi!! I didn't know the IJmond waters were world famous haha. It's an incredible piece of water to sail in offcourse!
Offcourse I'll shoot some photo's but I think there will be plenty of them on the net too. I'll give you the link when they are here.


To get ready for a meeting the 23rd, I apllied the decals last week. They were specially made by order and drawn myself on the computer to get the right distances between the numbers. After applying they were sealed with satin varnish.

[img]http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z330/Pimmelepom/PSV%20Stril%20Odin/user17932_pic120361_1347740150_zps89219ab0.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z330/Pimmelepom/PSV%20Stril%20Odin/user17932_pic120363_1347740197_zpsfd473cee.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z330/Pimmelepom/PSV%20Stril%20Odin/user17932_pic120364_1347740548_zps32273acb.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z330/Pimmelepom/PSV%20Stril%20Odin/user17932_pic120362_1347740150_zps8a4f2804.jpg[/img]

Does it match? :heh:

[img]http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z330/Pimmelepom/PSV%20Stril%20Odin/user17932_pic120545_1347892039_zps3c793c83.jpg[/img]

Gr.
Pim

Looks great on the water....
It appears you have access to the SMG Ijmond pond in Heemskerk.
Wish I could get some time in there... :cool_2:
I imagine it will be pretty busy there this weekend, the 23rd.
Post up some pictures from the event if you have the opportunity.

Met vriendelijke groeten,

Umi

[quote="SMART-L"]Robert,

It's not as easy as with warship plans. Only some old ships are available by plan suppliers.
So most of the time you have to get connected with a shipping company that is willing to give you some help.
And believe me, most of the time you get zero response.. Are you looking for a special type of supplier?

Gr.
Pim[/quote]


Hi Pim, oh yes. I work for an offshore oil and gas company and when visiting a rig, it was supplied by the "Normand Atlantic", and i have to say that class of vessel (UT 740) is very interesting, looks great. I also researched the Stril odin a little out of curiosity and came across the "Strill Commander" (Havyard 842 class) they also look good.

I have really only ever built warships, and have two major projects on the go (Arleigh Burke and Kirov cruiser) but I'm looking to try something that isn't painted grey...:)

Robert