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Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by starseeker » Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:19 pm

Hi! Any recent work on the USS Monitor model?

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by Devin » Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:06 pm

Amazing work, Rich. Thanks for sharing.

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by starseeker » Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:51 pm

Thanks Rich for posting these - incredible amount of work and amazing result!

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by Rich Carlstedt » Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:23 pm

Well, I screwed up by not responding as I had promised .
I have drawn the entire Engine of the USS Monitor in CAD and the prints are available Free.
I ask that you only use them for your personal self
They are copyrighted, registered and protected as it took 20 years of my time in research . They exist nowhere else
This is a 26 Meg download and has 309 pages laid out for 11 x 17 sheet size if you wish to print them

https://homeshopmachinist.net/resources/downloads/

Then click on the Monitor files

Rich

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by mcg » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:42 pm

Beautiful! Many thanks, Cliff!
Michael

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by starseeker » Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:05 pm

Michael, about the Hamilton clock - I don't know if you're aware of it already, but there is a manual for it available here:

Manual for overhaul, repair and handling of Hamilton ship chronometer with parts catalog
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102314752

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by mcg » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:40 pm

Hello Rich,

Hooray and Congratulations! Here is the definitive and ultimate work on the USS Monitor engine, the new Gold Standard.

A few years ago someone in our community � Devin or perhaps Adam Winger � remarked to me that for this book, you had been sifting through the McCord collection of original USS Monitor drawings at the Stevens Institute archives in New Jersey. This is one of many key resources, but I realized then that this book would be a blockbuster, the ultimate reference.

Thank you for creating it, and thank you for your infinite patience in researching and CADing this book. Can�t wait to pore over it!

All best, Michael


For readers not yet familiar with Rich and his work, here are some links. The third one has more detail about Rich, and some photos of his shop as well. mcg.

USS Monitor engine model
http://www.stationarysteam.com/

Oct 17 presentation

https://www.marinersmuseum.org/event/ri ... ine-model/

Overview:
https://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Carlstedt.htm

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by DrPR » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:47 am

Very nice work!

Phil

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by Rich Carlstedt » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:50 pm

Michael, I have finished drawing the entire engine of the USS Monitor.
A little over a month ago, I gave two Lectures at The Mariners Museum in Newport News VA and then donated 2 hard copies
of the book which is titled "Drawings of the U.S.S. Monitor's Engine " They also received a PDF Version.
I am working on getting them on the web - so stay tuned.
Had to go to school to learn CAD and it took 2 1/2 years to do this and is 309 pages
So here is the cover of the book and one of the internal drawings.
I do not intend to make any more hard cover books, and the PDF's are for 11 x 17 sheet size to show details I am still working on the "text" book which will describe the engine and it's functions and that will be a hard cover marketed by the Museum
Rich
Attachments
Front Cover -Monitor- Copy.JPG
Exploded View- Monitor.JPG

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by mcg » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:00 am

Paged through this entire collection � excellent drawings of a 30 foot whaleboat, including a table of offsets and a sail plan. Might have application to other 1896 epoch ships as well. Nice to find good detail on a small boat. Also some good SIDE views of a Hotchkiss 6 pdr. Thank you Cliff.

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by starseeker » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:59 pm

Drawings going up for the Monitor USS Terror:

https://catalog.archives.gov/search?q=* ... Sort%20asc

A few with turret details, such as https://catalog.archives.gov/id/135835529 but I don't see any of the turret engine.

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by tegunn » Tue May 14, 2019 10:28 pm

Michael, Great work! PM sent...
RC

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by mcg » Tue May 07, 2019 1:40 pm

Thank you Phil, this is a helpful precis on what to look for. The table of offsets would be an especially wonderful find. With the drawings I have I could probably make a model by hand sculpting it, but it would be pure guesswork without at least a central bulkhead. The USS Cinncinnati was a beautiful little ship but it had a "torpedo boat stern," one of those design features that is easier to render with sandpaper than with CAD. Michael

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by DrPR » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:11 am

The most likely collection of drawings to have the hull lines would be for the initial ship of the class. Any drawings for subsequent ships in the class would only include changes from the original design. For example, for the 27 ships of the Cleveland class and the subsequent missile conversions there are seven sets of drawings (about 12,000 individual drawings) in the Archives. However, only the drawings for the first ship, the USS Cleveland CL-55, have any drawings of the hull.

The Table of Offsets (if it exists) is much better than the hull lines drawings. The table gives the numeric dimensions of the hull that were actually used in the ways to build the hull. Often the basic Table of Offsets is included on one of the hull line drawings, but sometimes it is found in the "mold loft offsets" in papers included with the drawings.

If you are interested in the hull plating the Table of Sight Edges (in the mold loft offsets data) gives the numeric positions of the edges of the hull plating. This is far more accurate than trying to estimate the three dimensional curved edges of individual plates from flat two dimensional drawings.

I don't know when these tables started to be used, so they might not exist for ships built in the 1800s.

Phil

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by mcg » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:36 am

Thank you Cliff. I signed up for the Archive Catalog emailings.

In the USS Monitor library I found and purchased a small packet of drawings for the USS Cincinnati. As you know it was a fast cruiser from the epoch of the Spanish American war. Here is a link:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/04/c7/c0707.jpg

The drawings I received, however, did not include the ship's lines. Great idea to look for the lines of her sister ship. As for the marine chronometer, maybe there is an archive category for ships' instruments. Clearly I will have to visit the archives and learn more about how they are organized. Thanks again for your help, Cliff. Michael

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by starseeker » Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:17 pm

That sounds like it's probably this one: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/53483925

Looks like only 2 drawings from that group are online, neither of which pertain directly to the ship itself. That may mean that there either aren't many in that group, or just that the majority of the drawings weren't "low hanging fruit" for scanning purposes. The other likely source for potentially useful drawings would be the other ship from that class, the USS Raleigh (https://catalog.archives.gov/id/53484828) but it doesn't look like any of those are online yet.

The Hamilton drawings might be in there somewhere, but that's a small enough detail that the warehouse scene from Indiana Jones is probably not a bad mental image - they'd most likely be in some sort of contracting records, or part of a ship's drawing set, or...

One thing that might be worth trying (and also asking about the possibility of email notifications of new search results) would be to inquire at the NARA's History Hub website: https://historyhub.history.gov - the NARA archivists are active in the forum, and I've gotten a number of very helpful responses.

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by mcg » Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:01 pm

Thanks for the information about the archives, Cliff. I have been intrigued by a cruiser from the late 19th century, the USS Cincinnati. Since they are by now well past �C�, maybe there are fresh scans.

Re this USS Monitor project, and to coin a phrase, it ain�t over �til the fat lady sings....!

There is another set of drawings I would like to hunt down. In 1941, Hamilton (the watch company) received a Navy contract to manufacture marine chronometers for US warships. Their chronometer was designated the Hamilton Model 21. There are usually one or two on ebay � they are highly prized and vastly expensive. Here is one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fabulous-Hamil ... Swrblb~t9u

They had a special escapement mechanism that was uncanny in its accuracy. It would be fun to see the drawings and try to figure out why it was so good. And to do a 3d CAD version, of course, starting with access to dimensioned drawings. Michael

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by starseeker » Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:55 pm

No arrangement - I usually just periodically search the NARA ARC using their advanced search (https://catalog.archives.gov/advancedsearch) for engineering drawings in RG 19 with no keywords, and (so far at least) the default ordering of the search results if you don't give it a keyword seems to be the most recently added/updated entries in the catalog.

My understanding is the NARA staff are gradually working their way through scanning the ship drawings (so far, the ones stored flat since they're easier to deal with.) I've noticed a roughly alphabetical progression of new drawings over the months, but it looks like this grouping is the first one they hit that was from a monitor ship.

Any new work on the Monitor CAD model, or has it pretty much reached its finished state?

Cheers,
Cliff

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by mcg » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:43 am

Hello Cliff,
These are really interesting. The date I noticed was 1896.

Do you have (or does there exist) an arrangement with the archives that alerts you by email when a keyword like �monitor� is associated with a fresh scan or update?

Michael

Re: USS Monitor turret drive machinery

by starseeker » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:42 pm

I noticed that the NARA has posted a number of scans for the USS Puritan, which was a Monitor class ship:

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/53484794

Rather later vintage than the original Monitor of course, but perhaps some of the details will still be informative.

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