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Nice to see someone doing something as beautiful as Ariel here. Be sure to post the results in the gallery when you're finished. You seem to have a problem with scaling. As you're doing a 19th century sailing vessel one should be really careful with the officially given length of the ship. I suggest you use the waterline breath (szerokosh po poktad in the drawing) as you starting point in scaling your drawings. For clarity I suggest you cut out the largest of the line drawings (front view) first, scale that one to the desired size and use the breath you find on that one to standardize any other drawings. The 11.0m wlb seems to be accurate according to most sources I have seen on Ariel so you should be OK on that.

Probably they are not.

Take the basic measurements given on the right side of the drawing, and calculate the exact measurements they will have on the scale you will be building. Next enlarge/reduce both the side view and the cross section view to match exactly with the given measurements. Probably you will need different factors for each.

but what im saying is the bulkhead view and the sheer plan are not at the same scale, i tried to sync the bulkhead view up with the sheer plan, and 2/5 lins will match and the rest dont, so are my two pictures not in scal with each other from the very beginning?

[quote="modelshipnewb"]do you have any more pictures? like from the deck view while ur planking?[/quote]

the full construction album:
https://plus.google.com/photos/117569696778773352128/albums/5431411422763674769?authkey=CL-jgsGD5Ond4AE#photos/117569696778773352128/albums/5431411422763674769?authkey=CL-jgsGD5Ond4AE

As for your question about the frames height, here under a little drawing I did on paint. Each frame at the deck height has some kind of a curve, the deck isn't flat. This curvature remains constant for all the frames.

the frame height at the sides of the hull is to be set from the side view of the hull. On my drawing, I've put red arrows on the frames view to show you the height of each frame, they all are different.

hey guys i really need some help, so i scaled the bulkhead view to the same size as the keel and printed out the bulkhead picture view and made 20 copies. went to go cut out each piece along the lines for each bulk head and noticed that at the top its rounded. so theyre not all the same height which means its not to scale in the original picture?? how do i fix this?? how do i make thee bulkhead templates from that picture?? can someone please just give me a straight answer instead of telling me to get a book because my book doesnt tell me.

[quote="Uzun Elendil"]Actually, yesterday I was also thinking sending a similar post. My question is more general;

I would like to learn the steps from such a plan;

[img]http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/download/file.php?id=64225&t=1[/img]

to the final form;

[img]http://www.vallejogallery.com/objects/Full%20Models/Tea%20Clipper%20ARIEL/1000%20dpi%20stern%20to%20bow%20full%20view.jpg[/img]

I also saw other posts (thank you for your help, too) and reference books. My question is than, for a newbee like me, which book do you prefer? My purpose is start with a simple model, which I could see or learn the steps from the plan to the finished model

Thanks in Advance[/quote]

http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-a-Plank-on-Frame-Model-Ship/

read that, its great!

[quote="Laurent"]Counter sterns like the one on the drawing are the easiest "butts" to be made, the strakes just flow without any problem to the lower part of the knuckle. Look at the following pictures:

The most important part to succeed and to have the strakes just coming good, is to put a horizontal rounded plank as I did here:
[img]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Hsj50B9g26I/TDRTGKWt_YI/AAAAAAAADuY/qKodG8mL06c/w807-h605-no/photo8.JPG[/img]

the strakes are to be wedge shaped before you glue them on that plank:
[img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-WL0kQ6x6KXI/TDRTZcWR23I/AAAAAAAADus/p5g6w6iY_aI/w807-h605-no/photo25.JPG[/img]

Above the knuckle, put some layers of wood as I did here
[img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-imMfNC7HgXM/TDRbD4um85I/AAAAAAAADv4/9NwEkmAKK8I/w840-h605-no/photo19.jpg[/img]

and here the finished hull, with that beautiful counter stern:
[img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1EIAAyIL1FI/TITEn8BBd0I/AAAAAAAAD5o/bO7RInmL1mg/w807-h605-no/photo13.JPG[/img][/quote]

do you have any more pictures? like from the deck view while ur planking?

Actually, yesterday I was also thinking sending a similar post. My question is more general;

I would like to learn the steps from such a plan;

[img]http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/download/file.php?id=64225&t=1[/img]

to the final form;

[img]http://www.vallejogallery.com/objects/Full%20Models/Tea%20Clipper%20ARIEL/1000%20dpi%20stern%20to%20bow%20full%20view.jpg[/img]

I also saw other posts (thank you for your help, too) and reference books. My question is than, for a newbee like me, which book do you prefer? My purpose is start with a simple model, which I could see or learn the steps from the plan to the finished model

Thanks in Advance

Counter sterns like the one on the drawing are the easiest "butts" to be made, the strakes just flow without any problem to the lower part of the knuckle. Look at the following pictures:

The most important part to succeed and to have the strakes just coming good, is to put a horizontal rounded plank as I did here:
[img]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Hsj50B9g26I/TDRTGKWt_YI/AAAAAAAADuY/qKodG8mL06c/w807-h605-no/photo8.JPG[/img]

the strakes are to be wedge shaped before you glue them on that plank:
[img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-WL0kQ6x6KXI/TDRTZcWR23I/AAAAAAAADus/p5g6w6iY_aI/w807-h605-no/photo25.JPG[/img]

Above the knuckle, put some layers of wood as I did here
[img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-imMfNC7HgXM/TDRbD4um85I/AAAAAAAADv4/9NwEkmAKK8I/w840-h605-no/photo19.jpg[/img]

and here the finished hull, with that beautiful counter stern:
[img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1EIAAyIL1FI/TITEn8BBd0I/AAAAAAAAD5o/bO7RInmL1mg/w807-h605-no/photo13.JPG[/img]

i think i figured it out, this guy actually just put a rounded bottom block in thre for the effect

I have a couple books they just dont answer this exact question.. thanks for reminding me of that instructable i saw that a while ago. i think thats what ill do. how do i make a strn transom rounded on the edges? just sand the corners round?

Every ship is different, as are the modelers' approaches. Here's one:
[url]http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-a-Plank-on-Frame-Model-Ship/?ALLSTEPS[/url]

But it has a different stern shape... yours is rounded.
Yes, I'd include that bit (or add it on) to the keel. It will serve as the center former for the rounded stern.

And really, get a book. Such as most any in this store:
http://astore.amazon.com/modelmarine-20?node=1&page=3

but see at the very end there? the part that sticks out above the rudder? do i cut it lkike that? where i drew the red lines, is that correct?

Nothing stops you from making the keel deeper (more material to the inboard side), and the frames can be fat too... allowing both to be notched without creating such thin sections.

Look up "bearding line" and "rabbets" to get a better idea of how the frames and planking meet the keel and stem.

Look up reviews of various age-of-sail kits, you can find pics of how the kit maker did it. Or buy a kit!
Consider buying or borrowing a book on model ship building, as I'm sure it will help with the MANY more questions you will surely have.

Usually, lines represent the INSIDE of the planking... because the designer cared about cargo volume... and because those are the lines you'd use to develop all the frames.

Enjoy!

anyone? i really wanted to get started on this ship today

No, sorry maybe i wasnt specific, i know what the lines for the bulkheads mean, but how do i know how thick the keep should be? how do i know where to put other notches like for the deck? and am i just supposed to make the shape from the outermost lines? what i need to know, is along what lines would i cut this picture out to make a template? heresan example, would the keel and bulkheads look like this? would it really be that thin?

This appears to be the tea clipper "Ariel", which should be a nice age of sail (or "sticks and strings") build.

[img]http://www.vallejogallery.com/objects/Full%20Models/Tea%20Clipper%20ARIEL/1000%20dpi%20stern%20to%20bow%20full%20view.jpg[/img]

For any special guidance in building such a model, you might want to consult on any of the many forums that specialize in this type of model, such as:
http://modelshipworld.com/

You may wish to read the build logs here: http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewforum.php?f=75

They give you a pretty good idea of what to do with the drawings you have.

But long and short of it is, use the side view to make the keel. Mark/make notches where the numbered vertical lines are. Then make the 'ribs' using the drawing at the lower left. Each numbered curved line represents a rib and are to be placed where you marked the corresponding number on the keel. Put these ribs on the keel. Plank over them to form the hull.

The theory of 'what to do' is easy. How you do it neatly and accurately is a different story...

this will be my second scratch build andthe first one i mad my own hull plans. butnow im usingplans from the internet and imnot surewhat linese to follow to cut out what i call the "spine" im sure thres a more technical namefor it. please if you could tell me how to turn this pattern into a hull thatwould be great. i understand how to do the bulkheads but maybe could someonerepost this pic after using the paint program to show me what lines to cut along to make a template. ive taken this to kinkosand blew the pictures up to the scalesize i need them.

ps srry my spacebar sticks