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Does anybody have dimensions data or even sketches/drawings of the SLQ-17 ECM system installed on the Enterprise in the late 1970's?
https://nara.getarchive.net/media/a-view-of-the-anslq-17-electronic-warfare-system-aboard-the-nuclear-powered-f6c613

[quote="Edoardo81"]Hi guys, I have on my todo list this beautiful aircraftcarrier.
Can anyone suggest to me a book for some references?

Thanks a lot.[/quote]

I’d go for Ray Beans photo CD’s. I forget who sells them now, someone here might know. They are far more informative than the books.

If you wish to develop your upper body musculature, you might take on Dave McKay's [i]USS Enterprise, CVA(N)/CVA-65: The World's First Nuclear-Powered Aircraft Carrier[/i]. It runs to almost 700 pages, is lavishly illustrated, and weighs in at a little under six pounds (2.75 kilos).

Maurice

Thanks! Very useful!

[quote="Edoardo81"]Hi guys, I have on my todo list this beautiful aircraftcarrier.
Can anyone suggest to me a book for some references?

Thanks a lot.[/quote]
"USS Enterprise in Detail and Scale" may be very helpful. Link: https://www.amazon.com/The-USS-Enterprise/dp/B004BU80AW

You may have to shop around for the best price.

Hi guys, I have on my todo list this beautiful aircraftcarrier.
Can anyone suggest to me a book for some references?

Thanks a lot.

Edit - **found what i needed!

[quote="Timmy C"]How would you model the fo'c'sle? I didn't even think a postwar carrier would have a fo'c'sle, but I guess it makes sense to still call the anchor chain handling deck that. Here's a pic of Kitty Hawk's: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-031021-n-5821p-005-aboard-uss-kitty-hawk-cv-63-oct-21-2003-boatswains-130017542.html[/quote]

I’ve got a pretty unique opportunity with my latest build. I’m lifting the flight deck 4” off the hull with a set of linear motors. As a result the bow area will be visible. Since the anchor hause holes are just above the deck on the Trumpeter 1/350 KittyHawk i thought i’d add some interest to this area and model the focsle.
I found a few pics on that same sight. Hoping someone has some cleaner shots that really show the layout.
Here’s what i have to start with
[url=https://themaddmongoose.smugmug.com/CVN-63-USS-KittyHawk/i-ZGqXPVq/A][img]https://photos.smugmug.com/CVN-63-USS-KittyHawk/i-ZGqXPVq/1/972bc850/L/IMG_6421-L.jpg[/img][/url]

**found what i needed!

I had the same issue looking for detailed pics for my 1/800 TR. The black netting follows the framing of the escape trunk. I just used a flat piece of brass from an etched parts set, cut it and bent it to shape. Then I put the square pieces for the blast shield area.
Found these- they might help get a more correct look for -65:

[url]https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_Navy_060309-N-7748K-002_Airman_Lorne_Horit,_of_Huntsville,_Mich.,_inspects_the_foil_of_an_EA-6B_Prowler.jpg[/url]

[url]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/US_Navy_040707-N-0119G-005_USS_Enterprise_%28CVN_65%29_steams_through_the_waters_of_the_Atlantic_Ocean_following_a_port_visit_to_Portsmouth%2C_England.jpg[/url]


[quote="EJM"]I'm trying to create a better LSO platform area on my TAMIYA Enterprise carrier. The below pics are of the LSO area on the Gerald Ford class carriers. But the black colored "basket" for lack of a better word is fairly common on the LSO area on US Navy carriers. How can I create this for my Enterprise carrier? Is there an aftermarket set available or not? If not, then any tips and techniques for scratch building this?[/quote]

How would you model the fo'c'sle? I didn't even think a postwar carrier would have a fo'c'sle, but I guess it makes sense to still call the anchor chain handling deck that. Here's a pic of Kitty Hawk's: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-031021-n-5821p-005-aboard-uss-kitty-hawk-cv-63-oct-21-2003-boatswains-130017542.html

Does anyone have pics of the focsle by chance? There are some in the detail & scale book but they are small and in black & white. I searched on here but nothing came up so hoping someone might have them from a tour or other sources. I’m modeling the Kitty Hawk right now so any of the class would be good.
Chris

[quote="Admhawk"]The problem is, you aren't going to get official drawings. That means you have to go by visual clues.

Here's my take on it.

1) The hangar walls are not the same as the hull sides. ie, there are rooms between the outer and inner walls. (bulkheads if you want)

That means that the hangar doesn't have to conform to the outer lines of the hull.

2) The Saratoga BoGP drawings show narrowing of the aft and fwd end of the hangar walls. She is a 'supercarrier' designed and built in the same era as Enterprise.
https://maritime.org/doc/plans/cv60.pdf

3) Naval Designers aren't going to design a curved inner wall unless they have to. Angled walls, yes. Curves not so much. Does that mean it's impossible, not by a long shot, just not likely in my opinion.

4) and finally, the rectangular offerings are perfectly suitable for a 1/350 model, unless you intend to remove the flight deck for viewing. You will never be able to tell if the fwd and aft sections are narrower.

Here are photos of CV60, CVN65 and CVN68 highlighting what I think are changes in the hangar wall direction.
Also included is a drawing from a training manual showing a curved hangar wall. I've come across errors like this in manuals before, The person creating the drawing doesn't care how accurate it is, as long as it gets the point across. I've added what I think it actually looks like.
And finally, overhead views of the flight decks. Interestingly, All the elevators have straight inner edges, except the furthest fwd one on Enterprise. Angled to match the hangar or hull? probably. The other ships have the door landing interface compensating for this.

[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Enterprise%20Hangar%20fwd%201.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Enterprise%20Hangar%20aft%201.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Nimitz%20Hangar%20fwd%201.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Nimitz%20Hangar%20aft%201.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Saratoga%20Hangar%20fwd%201.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Saratoga%20Hangar%20aft%201.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Saratoga%20Hangar%20dwg.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Nimitz%20Hangar%20dwg%201.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Enterprise%20Deck.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Nimitz%20deck.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Saratoga%20deck.JPG[/img][/quote]

Correct. Lots of space, for reasons, between the shell and inner hangar bulkheads. Top is FORRESTAL class looking aft, frame 123/124 and bottom is a NIMITZ class looking forward frame 78. That area in the NIMITZ is just forward of the hanger proper in shop space area.

I'm trying to create a better LSO platform area on my TAMIYA Enterprise carrier. The below pics are of the LSO area on the Gerald Ford class carriers. But the black colored "basket" for lack of a better word is fairly common on the LSO area on US Navy carriers. How can I create this for my Enterprise carrier? Is there an aftermarket set available or not? If not, then any tips and techniques for scratch building this?

The problem is, you aren't going to get official drawings. That means you have to go by visual clues.

Here's my take on it.

1) The hangar walls are not the same as the hull sides. ie, there are rooms between the outer and inner walls. (bulkheads if you want)

That means that the hangar doesn't have to conform to the outer lines of the hull.

2) The Saratoga BoGP drawings show narrowing of the aft and fwd end of the hangar walls. She is a 'supercarrier' designed and built in the same era as Enterprise.
https://maritime.org/doc/plans/cv60.pdf

3) Naval Designers aren't going to design a curved inner wall unless they have to. Angled walls, yes. Curves not so much. Does that mean it's impossible, not by a long shot, just not likely in my opinion.

4) and finally, the rectangular offerings are perfectly suitable for a 1/350 model, unless you intend to remove the flight deck for viewing. You will never be able to tell if the fwd and aft sections are narrower.

Here are photos of CV60, CVN65 and CVN68 highlighting what I think are changes in the hangar wall direction.
Also included is a drawing from a training manual showing a curved hangar wall. I've come across errors like this in manuals before, The person creating the drawing doesn't care how accurate it is, as long as it gets the point across. I've added what I think it actually looks like.
And finally, overhead views of the flight decks. Interestingly, All the elevators have straight inner edges, except the furthest fwd one on Enterprise. Angled to match the hangar or hull? probably. The other ships have the door landing interface compensating for this.

[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Enterprise%20Hangar%20fwd%201.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Enterprise%20Hangar%20aft%201.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Nimitz%20Hangar%20fwd%201.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Nimitz%20Hangar%20aft%201.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Saratoga%20Hangar%20fwd%201.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Saratoga%20Hangar%20aft%201.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Saratoga%20Hangar%20dwg.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Nimitz%20Hangar%20dwg%201.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Enterprise%20Deck.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Nimitz%20deck.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Hangar%20decks/Saratoga%20deck.JPG[/img]

What are the thoughts on the various layouts of the Enterprise's hangar deck that folks have done? Many of the aftermarket decks, including the drawings by Tom Pope depict a rectangular deck. However, in this post:

http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=8817&start=240#p425251

...as well as the associated drawing, show the deck as NOT rectangular.

This seems like a cool kit, but I'm wondering about how realistic it is:

https://www.larsenal.com/1-350-ss-enterprise-cvn-65-tamiya-hangar-detail-set-c2x29738723

Is the answer "To each their own?"

Thoughts? Thanks - Frank

][attachment=0]IMG_0886.jpeg[/attachment][attachment=1]IMG_0899.jpeg[/attachment]USS ENTERPRISE (CVN-65) 1:350 scale, thirty nine inches. A Tamiya kit. About 56 hours to build.

It appears to be the main support for the ECM framework on that side. It most likely has the ECM Electronics and power supplies inside.
I've noticed other ships like Bainbridge DLGN-25 and Long Beach CGN-9 got similar sized structures supporting the ULQ ECM in the same time period.

I meant the big housing where the compass is mounted onto.

The Top pic is a compass. There is one on the other side as well.

[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Carriers/CVAN%2065%20Bridge%201971.JPG[/img]

Greetings,

The lower pic is a SPN-8 I think.

Here is another Pic of one on the Lexington CVA-16.:

https://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/11.ancient3/pic/img113-055-01.jpg

Mark

BTW,

does anyone know what those housings on the island are?