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Topic review - Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Okay, its been a while since I've given an update on my 1/350 USS Boxer 1945 build. The long and the short of it is; I'm starting over. The kit I have will be finished as USS Hancock, and I will buy another Hancock kit and start Boxer from scratch.

I also reached out to the USS Boxer Veterans Association. Not only were they kind enough to give me membership status for free, even though I am not a Boxer veteran, but rather simply just the grandson of a plankowner, they also put me in contact with their archivist too. I got in contact with him, and he physically sent me original photos from 1945-1946, a vast majority of which I have never seen before.

Finally, I've started thinking about what shade of Measure 21 she was in once again. When launched on December 14, 1944, pictures show that she had her anti-fouling paint, boot topping and hull painted. Considering that she was already in the water with 5-N Navy Blue, wouldn't she have stayed 5-N Navy Blue even after the spring of 1945 memo announcing the revision to Measure 21? I mean, why go through the trouble of repainting a ship that is already in the water with fresh paint when you could just change over to the revised 5-N Navy Gray once the original coating of 5-N Navy Blue wore off? Were ships required to adopt the revised 5-N Navy Gray regardless of the condition of their current paint?
Post Posted: Tue May 20, 2025 5:50 pm
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In the hell of the USS Franklin.

Many never-before-seen and remastered images.

807 crew members killed.

Post Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 9:26 am
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Ian Roberts wrote:
Charybdis wrote:
Can anyone identify this piece of equipment on USS Lexington (CV-16) after her 1945 refit? Photos taken post war.


These are Mark 57 directors installed late in the war for auxiliary quadrant control of the 5" and 40mm guns aboard the larger ships. I guess based on the photos (and the CV-17 BOGP) that there were four directors in total aboard the Essex class carriers, which matches the cruiser and BB installations. Two are fore and aft on the island with two more fore and aft on the port side of the gallery deck level. The plans also show associated radar transmitter rooms below each installation (as Mark 57 required some alterations below deck to accommodate its associated radar set Mark 29.

I actually researched this system at length several years back and consolidated my findings here: http://shipbucket.com/wiki/index.php/Mk_57_GFCS


Thanks a lot, Ian. That's another mystery solved.
Post Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 5:28 am
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Charybdis wrote:
Can anyone identify this piece of equipment on USS Lexington (CV-16) after her 1945 refit? Photos taken post war.


These are Mark 57 directors installed late in the war for auxiliary quadrant control of the 5" and 40mm guns aboard the larger ships. I guess based on the photos (and the CV-17 BOGP) that there were four directors in total aboard the Essex class carriers, which matches the cruiser and BB installations. Two are fore and aft on the island with two more fore and aft on the port side of the gallery deck level. The plans also show associated radar transmitter rooms below each installation (as Mark 57 required some alterations below deck to accommodate its associated radar set Mark 29.

I actually researched this system at length several years back and consolidated my findings here: http://shipbucket.com/wiki/index.php/Mk_57_GFCS
Post Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 6:21 pm
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It should have looked like this, with the lines to the flag boxes as double ropes. This example is Intrepid from the Trojca book.

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Post Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 6:05 pm
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Doing a bit of preliminary research on the island rigging on the Bunker Hill. Is there any place where I can learn what all the lines were that were on her island the morning of May 11th? Or for any Essex class carrier of the day.....

THANKS
Post Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:31 am
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according to the CV-17 USS Bunker Hill Booklet of General Plans 1946 I have on my computer, it is a "5 inch aux. director", which one I do not know.
Post Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2024 1:58 pm
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Can anyone identify this piece of equipment on USS Lexington (CV-16) after her 1945 refit? Photos taken post war.


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Post Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2024 10:23 am
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DavidP wrote:
would likely be on the Focsle deck bow or the main deck stern where the 5" practice loader is.


Thank you David!
Post Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2023 10:34 pm
  Post subject:  WW2 US Navy 40mm Bofors practice loader  Reply with quote
Hello all. I am building a 1/350 model of the USS Lexington CV-16. One of my sources is Alan Raven's Essex Class Carriers book. On pg 94, a 40mm practice loader is depicted (attached). I can find nothing of this apparatus. Does anyone have any insights on this? Thank you.


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Post Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:43 pm
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ModelMonkey wrote:
Mike W wrote:
I have the Dragon 1/700 USS Lexington kit and I'm aware that you can make any late war short hull Essex class from that kit. Has anyone done a rough guide to make USS Essex in 1944, when she had her Light Grey/Black camouflage scheme? It occurred to me that it might be fairly easy to work out things like her bofors and radar fit but might be a bit harder working out things like all the galleries and parts for the island etc.

thanks
Mike

Good news, Mike, your new 1/700 scale USS Essex CV-9 island as it appeared from May, 1944 through 1945 is ready. Link:
https://www.model-monkey.com/product-pa ... -1944-1945

References indicate that the island was in this configuration during raids on Okinawa and Formosa and during the Battle of Leyte Gulf.


Excellent!
Post Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:49 am
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DougC wrote:
One can see the hangar deck catapult of the Yorktown in action in the movie "Wing and a Prayer".


Thanks - I hadn't heard of that movie before.

Wing and a Prayer, The Story of Carrier X

It's on Youtube and while I haven't found that scene yet, there is a neat little snippet showing sailors running around in the hangar overheads and ladders as well as a lot of other good footage in areas of interest.
Post Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:17 am
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lexington1709 wrote:
Sutho wrote:
Has anyone else done that Pontos Advanced detail set for the Essex in WWII???

Great kit but poor instructions.

I have now constructed the island for 1943 with the quad bofor guns below the bridge but have the mast done for 1945!!!!

No clear indication in instruction what to do. Looks like some adjustments are necessary after all the hard work done.

It appears from photos that the lower catapults that were across the width of the ship in the hanger bay were removed.

I don't know what to do now. Retrofit the mast to 1943 or destruct the island and refit it to 1945.


What ship and time period?


It looks like I am doing USS Essex now in 1943.

I have to admit that Pontos detail up kit is great but also frustrating. One recent irritation is the deck masking to paint the stripes on the flight deck. The masking is not cut well and to get the deck numbers and lines you need a really sharp knife to cut the outline before applying it.

I did not have enough of my WEM paints to put the camo on. I could only do Navy blue. I am trying to keep my models in uniform paint and can no longer get they brand in Australia.
Post Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 6:42 pm
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Obvious typo is obvious? :big_grin:
Post Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 6:08 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
One can see the hangar deck catapult of the Yorktown in action in the movie "Wing and a Prayer".
Post Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:22 am
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Sutho wrote:
It appears from photos that the lower catapults that were across the width of the ship in the hanger bay were removed.


Only six Essex class carriers were ever fitted with hangar-deck catapults; Yorktown, Intrepid, Hornet, Franklin, Bunker Hill, and Wasp. Essex herself had an earlier H2 catapult (as opposed to the H4s her sisters had) on the flight deck for the entire war and never had a hangar catapult.

CV-10 Yorktown had hers removed during her Aug-Nov 1944 overhaul at Puget Sound.
CV-11 Intrepid's was removed in March-June of 1944 at Hunters Point
CV-12 Hornet is a little squirrelier; it was removed in phases but the outboard sections at least by February 1945
CV-13 Franklin's was removed in November 1933 at Puget Sound
CV-17 Bunker Hill's was also removed in November 1933 at Puget Sound
CV-18 Wasp's was removed during her April-June 1945 overhaul and upgrade at Puget Sound.
Post Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:17 am
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ModelMonkey wrote:
Mike W wrote:
I have the Dragon 1/700 USS Lexington kit and I'm aware that you can make any late war short hull Essex class from that kit. Has anyone done a rough guide to make USS Essex in 1944, when she had her Light Grey/Black camouflage scheme? It occurred to me that it might be fairly easy to work out things like her bofors and radar fit but might be a bit harder working out things like all the galleries and parts for the island etc.

thanks
Mike

Good news, Mike, your new 1/700 scale USS Essex CV-9 island as it appeared from May, 1944 through 1945 is ready. Link:
https://www.model-monkey.com/product-pa ... -1944-1945

References indicate that the island was in this configuration during raids on Okinawa and Formosa and during the Battle of Leyte Gulf.


Great work, Steve!
Post Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:48 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Mike W wrote:
I have the Dragon 1/700 USS Lexington kit and I'm aware that you can make any late war short hull Essex class from that kit. Has anyone done a rough guide to make USS Essex in 1944, when she had her Light Grey/Black camouflage scheme? It occurred to me that it might be fairly easy to work out things like her bofors and radar fit but might be a bit harder working out things like all the galleries and parts for the island etc.

thanks
Mike

Good news, Mike, your new 1/700 scale USS Essex CV-9 island as it appeared from May, 1944 through 1945 is ready. Link:
https://www.model-monkey.com/product-pa ... -1944-1945

References indicate that the island was in this configuration during raids on Okinawa and Formosa and during the Battle of Leyte Gulf.


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Post Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:19 am
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Sutho wrote:
Has anyone else done that Pontos Advanced detail set for the Essex in WWII???

Great kit but poor instructions.

I have now constructed the island for 1943 with the quad bofor guns below the bridge but have the mast done for 1945!!!!

No clear indication in instruction what to do. Looks like some adjustments are necessary after all the hard work done.

It appears from photos that the lower catapults that were across the width of the ship in the hanger bay were removed.

I don't know what to do now. Retrofit the mast to 1943 or destruct the island and refit it to 1945.


What ship and time period?
Post Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 7:28 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Has anyone else done that Pontos Advanced detail set for the Essex in WWII???

Great kit but poor instructions.

I have now constructed the island for 1943 with the quad bofor guns below the bridge but have the mast done for 1945!!!!

No clear indication in instruction what to do. Looks like some adjustments are necessary after all the hard work done.

It appears from photos that the lower catapults that were across the width of the ship in the hanger bay were removed.

I don't know what to do now. Retrofit the mast to 1943 or destruct the island and refit it to 1945.
Post Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:11 am

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