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Hello

Because I just started to design my HMS resolution card model in scale 1/200 I'm looking for plans for shell platting drawings for hull.
Thanks for any help
chris

Did Royal Oak have grey hull bottom like Hood, Warspite, PoW et al?

Or no one looked into R-class for this yet ?

Interesting photo tjstoneman, thanks.

Found this one on Getty Images, showing neutrality markings being painted onto Royal Sovereign's 'B' Turret in 1937:

[url]https://www.gettyimages.ie/detail/news-photo/crewmen-begin-painting-red-white-and-blue-stripes-onto-the-news-photo/675158881[/url]

Preview re-posted for ease of viewing, copyright remains with original owner:
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The only photos I have seen of Royal Oak after her major refit with an aircraft embarked were taken in June 1937 and show a de Havilland Queen Bee on the catapult on "X" turret - eg https://i0.wp.com/www.destinationsjourney.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Royal-Oak-Weymouth-June-1937-scaled.jpg?ssl=1

All very valid points lads. No doubt the sources you suggest will lead to a definitive answer. I had just automatically assumed the question related to the time between her 1934-36 modernisation and the time of her loss.

RA Burt's British Battleships 1919-1945 lists Resolution and Royal Oak as having training catapults on 'X' Turret and a Fairey IIIF Seaplane under their particulars for 1939. Of course that could simply be an 'on paper' capability and doesn't necessarily mean the aircraft were actually carried.

Come to think of it I don't think I have ever seen a photo of Royal Oak carrying an aircraft between 1936 and her loss in 1939. Suppose it was a relatively short timeframe. So not to say it never happened. And no doubt photographing military equipment became trickier as security tightened as the war drew near.

In the end of the day it is your model and your choice. I decided to add the aircraft to mine. Must have been a training exercise on the particular day the model is depicted in 1937!

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A lot depends on what you mean by "before her loss". Royal Oak carried various types of aircraft during her lifetime.

However if you mean during September and October 1939 then the official record is quite clear:

- In the list of FAA squadrons and their aircraft allocations to ships Royal Oak does not feature. (Resolution does with 1 x Swordfish from 702 Squadron.)

- In the listing of ships particular details about them were recorded including whether or not they carried aircraft. Royal Oak is recorded as not carrying aircraft.

Chargerman,

A very good question!!

Notwithstanding Mr Church's answer, you may need to do a little more research. The aircraft, if she embarked one at the outbreak of war, is likely to have come from 701 (Catapult flights) Naval Air Squadron. The only authority that I know of on the matter will be a book by the late Ray Sturtivant ISO who wrote one on the history of Fleet Air Arm Squadrons some years ago. However, it may only give details of the types of aircraft and not which one was assigned to the ship. To be more precise would be a matter of finding any "log" of the squadron: if it still exists, and doing a search. I suggest that you contact the Fleet Air Arm Museum at Yeovilton for further help.

I am fairly certain that the aircraft was not onboard when she was lost in October 1939, however, if she had had one then it was probably flown off to Hatston, the naval air station at Kirkwall, in Orkney, when she returned to Scapa Flow.

It is known that ROYAL OAK's sister, HMS RESOLUTION did embark a Swordfish at the around the time of mobilisation for war but I can't speak for ROYAL OAK, sorry!

Best of Luck with the quest: as quick as the question was!

81542

It was a Fairey IIIF as far as I know.

[url]https://naval-encyclopedia.com/naval-aviation/ww2/uk/fairey-iii.php[/url]

I just have a quick question on HMS Royal Oak. I'm trying to find without much luck what model aircraft she carried before her loss.

Hello gentlemen!
I would like to discuss with you the mysterious variations of camouflage for another forgotten hero of the Second World War.
Here is an illustration from the book ANGUS KONSTAM NEW VANGUARD • 154 BRITISH BATTLESHIPS 1939-45(1) Queen Elizabeth and Royal Sovereign Classes:

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/SKyPHxcs/899097-800.jpg[/img]


the caption reads: For example, in the late summer of 1940, HMS Revenge was painted in the camouflage pattern shown here, which was known as the Unofficial Disruptive Camouflage Scheme - Home Fleet. She continued to sport it until the summer of 1942.
This coloration is confirmed by several not very legible photos:

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/qqCD2hHm/41.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/SKxhCrTD/03-3731737-revenge-in-1941-with-decks-painted-over-raven.jpg[/img]

The camouflage on the roofs of the main battery turrets is interesting!

Please note that in the photo the main mast has already been shortened and a type 279 radar has been installed. So they do not belong to the summer of 1940, but to 1941. I could not find the exact date of installation of the radar. If anyone has any advice, thanks in advance.


Further - even more interesting. Great photo, probably known to many:

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/MHy4hM3n/8l60jm4o4hr91.jpg[/img]

Usually defined as August 1941. Probably, the same scheme is shown in this photo (IWM A 1512), in any case, it can be seen that the roofs of the towers are not camouflaged:

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only IWM is sure that the date of shooting is 1940 :think:
The only photo of the starboard side that I could find:

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/MKqrnGrY/3.jpg[/img]

Which of the two schemes it belongs to is not clear.

This repainting of HMS Revenge did not end here, here is a photo of 1942:

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/PrSKNQDt/03-3731737-revenge-at-trincomalee-in-1942.jpg[/img]

Interestingly, the pom-poms on the B and X turrets are already installed, but the type 285 and 273 radars are not yet. I also could not see Oerlikons in this photo.
In short, please help!

[quote="DavidP"]I have the profile morskie books for the Resolution & Royal Oak, would that work?[/quote] I have also
I have also original body plan but only frames. I m looking for rest of thi drawing

Hi

Does anyone have some plans for R-class battleships. Body line etc
thanks

I'm no expert but would seem to me that a somewhat easier idea is to convert a Queen Elizabeth which I believe has been done, than an Iron Duke. Major hull surgery for both, but significantly less with the QE I would think.

The R's "U" shaped stern is a major difference from both Duke and QE. The Duke's break from forecastle deck level to quarter deck level is at the fore funnel, while the R's and QE's is near the mainmast.

Xanthar wrote:

"I'm not a fan of torpedo bulges, so before those were fitted is my preference."

Well, you can now reduce you list of choices to four: HMS RAMILLIES had hers fitted on the stocks.

81542

[quote="DavidP"]which Revenge class battleship?[/quote]

I'm not sure I have a favorite, yet. I was looking at some of the diagrams in my copy of "British Battleships : 1919 - 1945" by R. A. Burt and thinking about making something that was pre bulges and as generic as possible so that it could be customized to suit.

[quote="DavidP"]ended up I was wrong as both close in size.
[snip]
Xanthar, what time period?
[/quote]

Yep the beam is a little off but, LOA is close. I've not seen plans for either so I was wondering if more experienced researchers could comment on the similarity of the hull lines?

I'm not a fan of torpedo bulges, so before those were fitted is my preference.

[quote="Graham Boak"] Or just frightened of resin? [/quote]
I might be frightened of resin : P I'm also frightened by 1/700 scale. I'm thinking 1/350 or bigger would be nice : )

Why? Because there is no other way? Because that's the sort of thing modellers do to fill gaps in their collection/desires? Because it is easier to chop plastic than carve from wood? Because available resin kit(s) are the wrong scale? Or just frightened of resin? The actual reason may well be something else, but the idea isn't totally off the wall.

Hello, I'm wondering if one could use the hull from an HMS Iron Duke model as the starting point for an R-Class ?
Has anyone done that before?

[quote="palco"]Hello. I would like to inform you that in the new year we are starting the [AJMMODELS POLAND] project Hms Ramillies ww1. Then I'm planning more 3-4 models of other R type battleships ww1 iww2. I'm going for help. I'm looking for all the little-known detailed , unpublished photos of these battleships. Mainly from private collections. I have all the photos from books and the Internet. I will be very grateful for your help in this topic.Regards[/quote]

Nice! More WW1 battleships better! Are you planning the Revenge as she appeared at Jutland?