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[quote="JAPS"]Hello everyone
Is anybody can help with model building I mean I looking for scaned drawings the same as in museum. I make QE from polish publisher Angraf
thanks for any help
chris.

You made a wondefull card/paper kit in 1/200. (Reader Oogle Angraf 1:200 Queen Elizabeth)

This was asked somewhere... "Moonlit nights were a favourite for air raids but, in August 1940, there was a period where there was no moon. Both Warspite and Malaya were therefore put into the floating dock for essential maintenance. Warspite had her peacetime light grey painted over with a camouflage pattern".

From Iain Ballantyne's Warspite. P 112-113.[/quote]

I am looking for paint reference pictures etc. for ships utility boats, I am not sure where the waterline would be so as to mask off accurately. I have the Trumpeter 1:350 Warspite and have been using Colorcoats royal navy hobby paint. this is my first ship build and post here, please don't keel haul me :wave_1:

Hello everyone
Is anybody can help with model building I mean I looking for scaned drawings the same as in museum. I make QE from polish publisher "answer"
thanks for any help
chris

To add some questions here.

1. HMS Warspite went through refit (incl. adding 20mm Oerlikon) between Aug-Dec 41 in US.

The Swiss-made MKI 20mm Oerlikon was in shortage (around 100) and RN only started getting enough new MKIIA 20mm Oerlikon manufactured domestically from Nov 41.

So for HMS Warspite, were the 20mms added during her refit in US, a US model or British MKIIA?

2. Can I use the #D printed 15'' turrets carried by HMS Queen Elizabeth on Trumpeter's 1/700 Warspite 1942? I checked Trumpeter's parts, there are no material differences. Just double check.

https://micromaster.co.nz/collections/royal-navy-weapons/products/1-700-royal-navy-15-38-1cm-mki-hms-queen-elizabeth-1943

[quote="DavidP"]read the 3rd paragraph under "modifications" in this link. https://www.world-war.co.uk/bb/qe_class.php[/quote]

Thank you David, that gives me a pretty good idea on what changes were made

Looking at possibly picking up the 1/700 Trumpeter '42 Warspite. What changes would I need to make if I wanted the ship to somewhat resemble her appearance during the Normandy bombardments? (Jun '44).

Additionally, was her camo during this time different from '43?

Thanks!

I'd forgotten about that.. God. Only H.M.S. Malaya to hold the fort.

Apparently when Warspite was in Puget Sound being repaired, her AA guns were hastily re-ammunitioned in the days after Pearl Harbour, 'just in case'. Despite her ongoing repair works.

Not to mention HMS WARSPITE already [i]hors de combat[/i]!

81542

On this day 80 years ago in 1941, the Italian Raid on Alexandria badly damages H.M.S Queen Elizabeth and H.M.S. Valiant:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vk8EC7LDRE[/url]

1941 was a terrible year for the Queen Elizabeth Class, H.M.S. Barham sunk and H.M.S. Queen Elizabeth and H.M.S. Valiant badly damaged. And all in the space of a few weeks.

Very nice. Will have to model it some day.

Looking at the photo of poor H.M.S. Barham sinking again, it is noticeable that the dark parts of her camouflage appear lighter than the waterline stripe. So assuming the waterline was black that would seem to suggest a dark grey for the camouflage. I don't know of any colour photos of Barham in that guise.

[attachment=0]HMS Barham sinking November 25th 1941 R1.jpg[/attachment]

In any case it is an attractive colour scheme.

[quote="Mr. Church"]A photo of H.M.S. Barham's sinking that I had not seen before from the Imperial War Museum. H.M.S. Valiant visible nearby too though she is too far way to get a good look at her camouflage. Photo preview posted for ease of viewing and discussion, copyright rests with original owner:

[attachment=1]HMS Barham sinking November 25th 1941.jpg[/attachment]

Original here:
[url]https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205194526[/url][/quote][quote="Mr. Church"]A photo of H.M.S. Barham's sinking that I had not seen before from the Imperial War Museum. H.M.S. Valiant visible nearby too though she is too far way to get a good look at her camouflage. Photo preview posted for ease of viewing and discussion, copyright rests with original owner:

[attachment=1]HMS Barham sinking November 25th 1941.jpg[/attachment]

Original here:
[url]https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205194526[/url][/quote]

A photo of H.M.S. Barham's sinking that I had not seen before from the Imperial War Museum. H.M.S. Valiant visible nearby too though she is too far way to get a good look at her camouflage. Photo preview posted for ease of viewing and discussion, copyright rests with original owner:

[attachment=0]HMS Barham sinking November 25th 1941.jpg[/attachment]

Original here:
[url]https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205194526[/url]

Eighty years ago today:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdrISbwy_zI&t=1s[/url]

R.I.P. to all those lost with H.M.S. Barham.

Hello
I saw in internet photos of aerial view for HMS Queen Elizabeth
Is this possible to recive from anyone in better quality because I have a poor.
thanks
chris

Welcome

Hello every one. Im looking for body lines of this type of warships (exclude Profile Morskie).

PS. I build paper model 1:200 of this battleship of polish publisher Answer/Angraf
Chris

The launching trolley was part of the catapult, not a separate item, and would have been present on the catapult, whether there was an aircraft there or not, until the catapult itself was landed in 1943 (which is the period depicted in the side view drawing on Page 56 of Watton's book). The trolley is visible in Photo 15 on Page 27 of this book.

Even if the aircraft was in the process of being lifted on or off the catapult, the trolley would still remain as part of the latter.

Barry Dosogne,

Re: Your post of 11.11pm 24 Jun

I cannot provide you with any pictures but it is highly likely that HMS WARSPITE's catapult launching trolley/cradle for a Walrus amphibian would not have been any different from that of any other British warship of the time.

There are pictures of the item on Page 18 of the EXETER/YORK subject and if you search exhaustively elsewhere on this site, you will find a copy of the training film dealing with the launching of the subject aircraft that someone posted.

The best reference, however, might be Ross Watton's book on the ship in the "Anatomy" series. I seem to recall that it may have a drawing of the fitting with the aircraft but I am not sure.

Re: building your own. Why PE? some superglue and very fine wire would make a very fine replica: not difficult.

81542

Don't think the cradle is available separately in any existing PE set, though you can certainly ask in the Trading Post section to see if anyone has an unused cradle from their overall ship PE sets. An option might be to have the handling crane be depicted in the process of lifting the Walrus out of the water/from a loading dock?

I'm at the last build stage of the academy kit , using the WEM p/e , and that last build is the supermarine Walrus. Neither in the kit nor the p/e can I find a launch cradle for the Walrus.. Among walrus images on Google there are photos of a launch cradle. First , DOES ANYONE KNOW , if Warspite actually used a cradle to launch the Walrus's? And if so is there any other option other than scrounging the p/e and building one on my own?