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Sergio,
Here is what the 011 Level Air Defense Station looks like in Plan View (Overhead) -
[attachment=1]Air Defense Station 1955.jpg[/attachment]
This is from the 1955 BB-62 Booklet of General Plans. That part of the upper conning tower had not changed since the wings were added in 1943. Ignore the hand written notes as they apply to changes that were to be made to NEW JERSEY in 1967 (this particular copy of plans I had scanned at NARA II and they probably came from the Philadelphia Navy Yard). Sorry, I don't have any plans older than this version. Here is that portion of the conning tower in Elevation View -
[attachment=0]Aair Defense Station 1955_Elev.jpg[/attachment]
Again, ignore the mast & RADAR as these would not have been correct for the 1943 time frame.

Hope this helps!

Sergio wrote:
"Does anyone have shipyard photos and or detailed drawings?"

The bridge was probably modified prior to her shakedown cruise in the Fall of 1943. Here are two photos from Oct. 43 that show the 011 Level wing additions and her round bridge -

[attachment=1]BB-62 wRound Bridge 12OCT43 1632-43.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=0]bb-62 wRound Bridge 15OCT43 80G-207484.jpg[/attachment]

Hope this helps!

Little help here. I’m trying to research BB62 during her round bridge period. I can’t seem to find any good information regarding the spot 1 port / starboard wing extensions added after launching. I’m presuming that they were added the same yard period when the bridge was enclosed.

Does anyone have shipyard photos and or detailed drawings?

Thanks,
Sergio Morariu

Thank you!
Does anybody have a collection (name only and/or data) on the various Rangefinder directors of the USN?
I know these few:
??ft Mark 18 (Pensacola Class)

??ft Mark 24 (Northampton class)

??ft Mark 27 (Portland class)

??ft Mark 31 (New Orleans class)

12ft Mark 33 (Destroyers Farragot to Benham) (On cruisers AA)
??ft Mark 34 (Cruisers of the 1930's)
12ft Mark 35 (Porter and Somers class)

15ft Mark 37 (Porter and Somers class as refitted and Sims onward) (On cruisers AARF)
26,5ft Mark 38 (South Dakota II class onward)

??ft Mark 51 (Bogue class)

??ft Mark 54 (Des Moines class)

??ft Mark 67 (United States class)
15ft Mark 68 (Mitcher class onward and Knox, Belknap classes)

21ft Mark ?? (On South Dakota I class 1920)

those are 12' range finders as per this link.
BB-67 - BB-71 Montana Class General Arrangement (1941) https://archive.org/details/bb67classga1941

It appears these are the Mk. 35 12' rangefinders as seen on the BB-55 plans as of 1941. Here is an elev. & plan view of these items:
[attachment=1]BB-55 12 ft RF atop Pilot House.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=0]BB-55 Turret 3 Stbd Elev..jpg[/attachment]
In the Equipment Tabulation Table on that drawing, this item (#173) is listed as 12 ft. Rangefinder, Mk. XXXV - Ord. Drawing #142196 - good luck finding that!!! If you do, I would love a copy!!! :thumbs_up_1: Sorry, I don't have any scale on these drawing snippets - but I believe there is enough dimensional info on the plan dwg. to figure that out.

The MONTANA model in 1941 had removed both of these FC directors, so it's highly doubtful that either one would have actually been installed.

Hope this helps,

Hank

A somewhat relevant question.
Does anybody know information of the 12ft small gun directors which can be seen on the Montana class models on their 1940 form? One on he 3rd turret offset and one directly in front of the bridge tower on a tall sponson?

Maybe USS north Carolina and Washington carried the same on the early service lives?
[img]https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/OnlineLibrary/photos/images/h44000/h44529.jpg[/img]
It's not clear but they not look similar to the Mark 33 12ft Cruiser directors.

Note that Hank made a considerable alteration to the hull as the kit has some serious form problems, especially in the stern. I'm not sure what they did this as accurate hull information is available.

Siciliano, what time period for the New Jersey, ww2 or post war?

[quote="Siciliano"]I'm curious if anyone out there has taken the Trumpeter 1/200 scale USS Missouri and transformed it into the USS New Jersey??[/quote]

Go over to the Completed Models forum and look for:
1:200 USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 68-69 (Trumpeter MISSOURI kit) (http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=154697)

This is a model of NEW JERSEY as she was configured during her 3rd commission for service during the Vietnam War. I served in her from 1968-69 in X Division.

I'm curious if anyone out there has taken the Trumpeter 1/200 scale USS Missouri and transformed it into the USS New Jersey??

[quote="bigjimslade"]A summary of things I have seen wrong with kits:

1. Bow knife edge way too wide.
2. Lack of a docking keel
3. The tunnel does not widen forward
4. The twin keels are incorrectly depicted as skegs rather than being integral part of the hull
5. Missing the two knuckles aft in the hull form
6. Missing the half siding under the stern
7. Shaft bossing on twin keels too long or (usually) too short
8. Hull form incorrect so the outer props enter the hull in the wrong place.
9. Hull plating wrong (and over scale)[/quote]


I’ve been a fan of your work for some time now. Have you ever considered releasing an accurate hull .stl maybe in 350 or 200 scale?

Under the "wah hail" clause of modeling I am yet again replace all the 5" mounts on my 1:192 Scratch built Missouri. I currently have the same mounts that I have on my 1:192 Alaska, which are wrong in several details, the most obvious being the training buffer on the front glacis. Hank was generous enough to furnish me with a file for his NJ ones which I rescaled to 1:192 and made a few other changes. I use magnets to hold my mounts on which allows for easy removal.

Biggest issue? Matching the paint.

Pretty dinky item at 1:700! The ones I printed at 1:192 were small enough!

Good luck!

That helps, now I know what it is I recognize it.

Now I need to find one. Does anyone reading this have a 1/700 TDY set to spare?

Joe

Another drawing of the TDY-1 RADAR JAMMING SYSTEM

[img]https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ref/RADELEVEN/img/rad11-p5.jpg[/img]

Alaska CB1 also had this TDY-1 installed on the forward of her coning tower.

The image you posted isn't showing up when I open this thread, so this is just a guess - here is a photo of NEW JERSEY in the early '50s, front of her conning tower -
[attachment=1]BB62 50s Spot 1 & Radar Suite (Large).jpg[/attachment]
That's not an SG type RADAR, but the "TDY-1" antenna. Her 1955 Booklet of General Plans shows this antenna still installed on that platform.

Here is a shot of the drawing of that RADAR unit -
[attachment=0]TDY-1 From Plan Book.jpeg[/attachment]
I think somewhere I read that this unit could also be a "back to back" antenna, as well - but, don't take my word for it.

Hope this helps!

Looks like a double sided or back to back SG radar.
Maybe an SU radar?

Based on this reddit post, it should be an SG radar:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/o57g65/1100_x_1423_view_of_uss_washingtons_fire_control/

[quote="bigjimslade"][quote="JoeP"]I am trying to find references that show the locations of the various AA gun directors on the New Jersey during 1944, and again in 1952-3 off Korea.

For the former I'm converting the Tamiya Iowa using the Model Monkey bridge, which worked pretty well (the MM parts were slightly fragile in my thick fingers, but that's not on them, just be careful.) Unfortunately the AA directors are plain rods, so I will use pieces from detail sets to make it more accurate.
For Korea it's easier since the ship was light grey rather than dark blue, which helps me see what is where.

None of my reference books have a guide, and I haven't found one online, not even a list of directors and their counts from which I could infer.

Can anyone help? Either an online site or a pointer to a book will be helpful.

Thanks.[/quote]

After the 1945 refit, I see two mk57 dirs fwd of the aft stack with the rest mk51.
Probably all were mk57 before that.[/quote]

Thanks for the guideline, that does help me interpret the pictures.

Now I have another question, about a platform and radar unit on the front of her tower. It's visible in this image:

[img]http://navsource.org/archives/01/062/016219m.jpg[/img]

The one on the U/V shaped platform projecting from the front - what radar is that? I cannot find it in my references, there's nothing like that in my PE sets.