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[quote="SebastianP"]The old Soviet "Northern Fleet Gray" is the lighter of the two hull gray shades that are usually floating around - interesting that they're going so much darker in color these days. And it does look quite a bit like 35042 to my eye...[/quote]
This is sheer speculation on my part, but based on the weather conditions in photos I've seen of Northern Fleet ships with the super-dark blue-gray, I've come to suspect that the fleet's color scheme might be seasonal. I think maybe the dark paint is for the summertime, when the skies are clear and the sea is free of ice, while the more familiar Northern Fleet Gray is for the remainder of the year, when the ships can expect to operate amid ice and fog under overcast skies. If that's true, then it could be that the picture you linked to above shows [i]Pyotr Veliky[/i] in the midst of receiving her summer plumage, so to speak.

[quote="El Santo"][quote="SebastianP"]Does anyone know what the really dark gray sometimes used for Russian ships is called, and what the best match for it is? It's not the Baltic Fleet Gray, which isn't anywhere near dark enough. I've added a picture I found on airbase.ru so you can see what I mean, but I've also got pictures of Moskva (ex-Slava) and Admiral Chabanenko in the same color.[/quote]
I believe that's the scheme used by the Northern Fleet, based primarily in Severomorsk, on the Kola Bay. What crude research I've been able to conduct suggests that the very dark blue-gray used by that fleet is pretty close to the US Navy's Non-Specular Sea Blue (FS 35042), while the lighter gray on the superstructure approximates Intermediate Blue (FS 35164), although I wouldn't swear that those are the [i]best[/i] matches. Nor do I have any idea what the colors' correct Russian names might be.[/quote]

Wow! Not only did I manage to check in for the first time in weeks just hours after an answer was made, but it's a sincerely interesting one, to boot.

The old Soviet "Northern Fleet Gray" is the lighter of the two hull gray shades that are usually floating around - interesting that they're going so much darker in color these days. And it does look quite a bit like 35042 to my eye...

[quote="SebastianP"]Does anyone know what the really dark gray sometimes used for Russian ships is called, and what the best match for it is? It's not the Baltic Fleet Gray, which isn't anywhere near dark enough. I've added a picture I found on airbase.ru so you can see what I mean, but I've also got pictures of Moskva (ex-Slava) and Admiral Chabanenko in the same color.[/quote]
I believe that's the scheme used by the Northern Fleet, based primarily in Severomorsk, on the Kola Bay. What crude research I've been able to conduct suggests that the very dark blue-gray used by that fleet is pretty close to the US Navy's Non-Specular Sea Blue (FS 35042), while the lighter gray on the superstructure approximates Intermediate Blue (FS 35164), although I wouldn't swear that those are the [i]best[/i] matches. Nor do I have any idea what the colors' correct Russian names might be.

Does anyone know what the really dark gray sometimes used for Russian ships is called, and what the best match for it is? It's not the Baltic Fleet Gray, which isn't anywhere near dark enough. I've added a picture I found on airbase.ru so you can see what I mean, but I've also got pictures of Moskva (ex-Slava) and Admiral Chabanenko in the same color.

Here is a photo of the Slava with blades stowed on the helicopter and hanger doors open. This is at 1/100 scale.

Does anyone have good pictures of Moskva on the bottom of the Black sea?

Does anyone have images of the interior of the Slava helicopter hanger?

Very nice!

Phil

KY Models Slava- Varyag. 1/100 scale pre built model.

Here is the Kashtan firing at night on my 1/100 Kirov.

https://youtube.com/shorts/PUW9fidwxzs?feature=shared

[quote="DrPR"]SA-N-6 on the fo'c'sle?

I have many photos of a crane alongside loading SS-N-12 Bazalt missiles.

Phil[/quote]

The crane stowed on the left in this picture.

some rich photo source

https://forums.airbase.ru/2006/09/t60201--tarkr-pr-1144-11442-shifr-orlan-kirov-frunze-kalinin-petr-ve.html

SA-N-6 on the fo'c'sle?

I have many photos of a crane alongside loading SS-N-12 Bazalt missiles.

Phil

I think I have seen it somewhere on this thread, but does anyone have images of the crane on the foredeck loading SA-N-6 missiles on the Kirov?

Thanks!

Oops! Looks like I sent one twice. Here is what should have been sent.

Phil

A few more. These may be more useful.

Phil

Here are some photos, but not much help.

I have collected a lot of pictures of the Skavas from the Internet. I think the ship has very nice lines and I find it interesting how the Russian/Soviet ships are designed for much colder operating conditions that our ships.

One thing that really interested me was the Bazalt (Sandbox) missile launcher tubes on the forward part of the ship. I wonder if there is any armor on those things? The cruiser I was on had 45 ramjet Talos missiles and solid propellant boosters on the main deck, but inside a missile house with 1.5 inch thick armor plating around them. Still, it wouldn't take a very large cannon round to punch through that and set off 180,000 pounds of class B explosives (boosters), 13,500 pounds of class A explosives and about 3,600 gallons of JP-4 fuel. I was stationed in the missile house during General Quarters and that thought crossed my mind every now and then.

The Slavas had a lot of explosives and fuel sitting out there just waiting for someone to take a shot at them. I suspect that is what sank the Moskva - a Ukranian missile hitting one of the Bazalts. There is a low resolution photo of the ship before it sank showing the side of the forward superstructure blackened right where the Bazalts were.

Does anyone have any pictures of the Slava helicopter hanger open with the helicopter entering or exiting? I’ve seen a few on here. I’m planning on modeling this on my 1/100 scale ship and making it functional. Thanks.

There are images about half way down this page showing how the double arm trackway gravity davits work:

https://www.okieboat.com/CAD%20miscellaneous.html

Phil