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And even better: I found a report giving the actual dimensions of the stern flap used experimentally on Arthur W. Radford (DDG 968) which must be very similar to the one used on CG 73. Span 34 ft and chord 5.3 feet. And the lower surface should not be in line with the ship's bottom, but canted a few degrees downward.[attachment=0]download.jpg[/attachment]
The report can be found here: [url]https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Frepository.tudelft.nl%2Fislandora%2Fobject%2Fuuid%3A279b4528-1392-46ff-aec9-bde63c569f97%2Fdatastream%2FOBJ%2Fdownload&psig=AOvVaw3ysRLxQyUPZe8A7lRexuOo&ust=1675717353247000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=2ahUKEwjN2fjdo__8AhWuoP0HHervB_sQr4kDegQIARAu[/url]

[quote="ModelMonkey"]Seeking dimensions of the stern flap ("beaver tail").

Thanks in advance![/quote]
Hi Steve, better a late answer than no answer at all!
I eyeballed the CG 73 stern flap from the photos and made it in 1:350 scale: it's 28.7mm long (athwartships), 6.8mm wide (fore-aft) and 2.5mm deep. Its lower surface is in line with the ship's bottom.

Included here a picture of it: I believe it seems to be pretty close to the real thing.[attachment=0]Stern Flap Tico class.jpg[/attachment]

[quote="Kayelbe"]One other difference that immediately comes to mind for me is there was a platform/walkway extension on the starboard side of the aft stack area that allows travel around the outboard intake. The change is present in, for example, Dragon's 1/350 Ticonderoga vs. Mobile Bay kits. Bunker Hill has this extension, but the kits boxed as "Bunker Hill" do not have this extended platform.[/quote]

I've included that platform.
Here is my drawing (Only top view because it was asked this way) showing Ticonderoga in her finished form.
[attachment=0]Ticonderoga 1983.png[/attachment]

One other difference that immediately comes to mind for me is there was a platform/walkway extension on the starboard side of the aft stack area that allows travel around the outboard intake. The change is present in, for example, Dragon's 1/350 Ticonderoga vs. Mobile Bay kits. Bunker Hill has this extension, but the kits boxed as "Bunker Hill" do not have this extended platform.

One conspicuous difference comes to mind and that is the first two ships of the class, [i]Ticonderoga[/i] and [i]Yorktown[/i], had a quadruped main mast. The rest of the class had a tripod main mast.

Were there major superstructure differences between the first 5 Ticonderogas (Baseline 0 and 1) eg the twin arm launcher versions and the later ones (Baseline 2-4) eg the VLS equipped ones?
Like the VLS version superstructure moved forward and or taller?
[url]https://www.navysite.de/cg/cg47class.htm[/url]
I only have these two drawings of the Ticonderogas (The blue one have some errors around the middle section I found out)
Twin arm launcher armed Ticonderogas:
[attachment=1]030701369_TICONDEROGA4000REZ_122_203lo_resize.jpg[/attachment]
VLS Ticonderogas:
[attachment=0]post-24708-0-04523400-1370633198.png[/attachment]

Seeking dimensions of the stern flap ("beaver tail").

Thanks in advance!

Can anybody point me to a "map" of the radomes/antennas added during the late 90s - early 2000s?

I served on Cowpens from 1995-99, as a GSM, but was familiar with what we had up to that point.

Specifically, there are at least two radomes installed on the aft stack that I can't find references on.

Thanks

[quote="Admhawk"]It does look like a ship silhouette, but it's not there for very long.

......Good evening. Thank you very much for your participation in my question. But alas, I can not open the photos you sent ... = (

It does look like a ship silhouette, but it's not there for very long.

https://nara.getarchive.net/media/a-close-up-view-of-the-antenna-masts-and-bridge-structure-aboard-the-guided-eb1e04?zoom=true
https://nara.getarchive.net/media/a-crewman-stands-watch-on-the-bridge-of-the-guided-missile-cruiser-uss-yorktown-fd07bd?zoom=true
https://nara.getarchive.net/media/us-navy-usn-fire-control-technician-second-class-ft2-william-tomlinson-fires-8ad1d6?zoom=true
https://nara.getarchive.net/media/a-view-of-the-bow-from-the-starboard-side-of-the-bridge-of-the-guided-missile-20f262?zoom=true
https://nara.getarchive.net/media/a-crewman-looks-through-a-pair-of-high-powered-binoculars-while-standing-watch-2954e2?zoom=true
https://nara.getarchive.net/media/crew-members-stand-watch-on-the-bridge-during-a-gunnery-training-exercise-aboard-4ea74a?zoom=true
https://nara.getarchive.net/media/a-close-up-view-of-the-antenna-masts-and-bridge-structure-aboard-the-guided-f108b0?zoom=true

The flags are painted on. The colours are shown on the navsource link above. It is the 4 letter call sign of the ship.
The e on the radar is white.
Not sure about #4, will see if I can find any better pics.

The above link also shows you the signal flags for the international call letters, your number 3. A link that might also help (although it is hard to tell which "E" is which) is: https://www.navysite.de/what/bridgewing.htm#:~:text=The%20letters%20painted%20on%20the%20ship's%20bridge%20wings%20are%20known,award%20is%20the%20Battle%20E. The engineering one on the funnel would be red.

[quote="DrPR"]Ivan,

Good afternoon. Thank you very much dear DrPR and Admhawk with pleasure to read the information., Which forced new questions .. it was decided to dwell on this option ... Questions: 1) after all, what color were these letters DC ..EW .. E and C ), the letters on the radar of the same color as on the installation of weapons are white? ... well, for my education: 3) do these flags seem to be drawn? ... 4) is very similar to the drawing of a boat ..?
I apologize in advance for such sensitive issues .. thank you., Regards Ivan

CRUDESGRU 8

[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Cruiser_Destroyer_Group_Eight_seal.jpg[/img]

Mk-26 Launcher with white letters.

[img]http://www.seaforces.org/wpnsys/SURFACE/Mk-26-GMLS_DAT/Mk-26-missile-launcher-007.jpg[/img]

You can find the Award Ribbons the ship had on this page.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/04/1148/040148.htm

There are more than in the 80's photo because ships get new awards every time they go into a warzone.

Ivan,

#1 would be the fleet, squadron or flotilla commander's insignia. I don't know what it was but you might find it on the Internet.

#2 Is several "efficiency" symbols, signaling that the ship made a good score in fleet exercises in the different categories.

https://navylive.dodlive.mil/2014/11/18/unit-awards-for-commissioned-vessels-a-brief-history/

These are the current symbols. They were sometimes different in the past, so you need to know the year.

The E on the funnel is for Engineering. It was red.

The E on the gun mount and missile launcher was white.

The large white E with black shadow on the bridge wing is for battle excellency.

I don't know what the EW and DC marks were for (EW = Electronic Warfare?).

The hashmarks "/" under the letters means the ship had won the award in the previous fleet exercises - one hashmark for each consecutive year.

#4 is the ships "ribbons" or medals awarded to the ship.

https://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/support/uniforms/uniformregulations/Pages/NavyAwardsPrecedenceChart.aspx

Phil

[quote="Tracy White"]Oh jeez... didn't even notice those... I should have paid attention as I'd like to do Cowpens.

That's not the only photo of her in it, she's had it for a while:
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=64078
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=54738
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=52845
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=49463
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=48965
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=38798
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=33007 (March 2006)[/quote]

The blocky looking stuff are PCMS tiles.. radar absorbing material. One of the program challenges was to get the colors to match so that the CO would not direct they be painted. The stuff is somewhat degraded by one or more layers of paint.
T2

Good afternoon.On the sly collect information that-would do "CG-48 Yorktown" on moment inhospitable meeting in the Black sea in 88 th year when they there mental race with kicks staged a.=)....On the Internet, I collected his photos for the period 87-89 years, but the trouble is that they are black and white and I do not understand many of them by colors.I would be grateful for any information..Sincerely, Ivan.
1) interested in an emblem resembling an eight in a circle.. 2) the colors of the letters and stripes on the ship's superstructure..3) what color are the letters on the rocket launcher and the " E " on the tube.4) if possible, anyone can have a premium pad in color..thank you in advance

[quote="bwross11"]Patrick,

If you can get your hands on a copy of Steve Wiper's Pictorial book on the Tico's on page 39 there is a fairly close picture of a flagbag that should get you where you want to be. As far as the surrounding area, there are enough other pictures that you should be able to come up with a reasonable representation.

best,
Bruce[/quote]


Thanks Bruce for the reply. I have that book and the edition I have mistakenly labels it as the starboard side flag bag so I think I glossed over it before. However the area I'm specifically looking for is the area just forward of the flag bag and the "rack" where all of the ropes are tied. I don't think there is anything between the rack and the bridge structure but I just wanted to make sure.

OK. Thanks for the clarification. Or maybe someone has drawings of this stern shield (or at least dimensions) so that I can make it to scale and install it on my ship?

It is called a stern flap; [url]https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/stern-flap.htm[/url]