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As always, thank you for the info! Much appreciated.

[quote="MartinJQuinn"]Another Echo/E class question....[/quote]

Yes, on Echo there was a depth charge thrower there, one each side plus reloads.

I don't have any really clear photos of Echo but it looks like it was the same arrangement as on the F Class with the thrower forward of the reloads:[attachment=0]Thrower.jpg[/attachment]

Another Echo/E class question. Look at photos, it appears there are depth charge throwers, and reloads, on the E class ships, but they aren't included in the Tamiya, kit, even though they are on the box art.
[attachment=1]TamiyaE_02.jpg[/attachment]
Instead, Tamiya seems to have represented them to be what look like hatches.
[attachment=0]TamiyaE_01.jpg[/attachment]
I can't seem to find any good photos or plans of this area. Can someone point me in the direction of references that show the layout? (I have the same question for the J/K/N class destroyers)

Yes

Fiddling around with some 700th RN destroyers while I wait for upgrade parts to arrive for my Oklahoma. One of those models is the Tamiya Echo, which prompts a question: was the AA platform that replaced the aft torpedo tubes a rectangle? Looks that way, just wanted to know that the experts thought.
[attachment=0]Echo_001a.jpg[/attachment]

Thank you very much James
It looks like it is all up to me to do it correctly now!
I will also take a careful look at your HMS Imperial to see if I can learn anything there.

George

[quote="George W"]I'm converting the Atlantic G Class HMS Griffin (1/350) to HMCS Ottawa (ii).I have chosen the colour scheme in the attached picture as it is quite different from any other RCN ship I have done. However I'm not sure what the colours are as described below. None of my reference material or the Internet has the answer although it is a very well known and published photo.

1) lightest colour, (the base colour) - I think that is off white but it could be light grey, e.g. 507C (all or some of the panels).

2) medium colour panels - I have no idea what this colour is, perhaps a grey of some sort but not, I think, dark grey, e.g. 507A. It could be the greenish/blue colours often used on escorts, such as B55, B30 or some of the lighter MS colours, MS3.

3) There is some outlining the panel under the bridge area and I safely assume that to be black.

I few years ago, the RCN repainted a couple ships in a similar pattern but they used the current RCN grey for the light colour, and a very generic blue that does not look like any WWII blue/grey colour to me, so that may not be a good guide.

Any comments would be welcome
Thank you
George[/quote]

This design is more or less similar (though I don't think identical) to CB3098 1943 edition Plate 105. It also lists B15, B30 and B55.

[img]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0730/0927/files/Plate_105.jpg?v=1678269703[/img]

Thank you TJStoneman & Timmy!

I have a plan, I have Colour Coats B30 and B55 and have B20 which based on James Duff (thank you James)- Royal Navy Colours of
World War Two B & G Series Camouflage means I that I can modify B20 to B15 to get the darker blue of B15.

I did HMCS Chaudiere (also Atlantic/WEN) a number of years ago but I used the simpler 1945 scheme, just two shades of grey on the hull however the modifications were much more than what I need to do for Ottawa.

Thank you again
George

FWIW, the RCN historical branch agrees with B15, B30 and B55 for the original colours, citing [i]Naval Camouflage 1914-1945: A Complete Visual Reference[/i] by David Williams. This assessment was for setting the baseline for the Regina and Moncton commemorative paintschemes, though as you noted the actual colours applied varied significantly from the historical.

There is a drawing of HMCS Chaudiere wearing the same pattern of camouflage in Alan Raven [i]Camouflage Vol Three: Royal Navy 1943-4[/i] (New York: WR Press, 2001). Raven lists the colours as B15, B30 and B55. (Note that, in at least one - but not all - photo of her in this scheme, Chaudiere has a lighter panel in the outlined area below the bridge.)

I'm converting the Atlantic G Class HMS Griffin (1/350) to HMCS Ottawa (ii).I have chosen the colour scheme in the attached picture as it is quite different from any other RCN ship I have done. However I'm not sure what the colours are as described below. None of my reference material or the Internet has the answer although it is a very well known and published photo.

1) lightest colour, (the base colour) - I think that is off white but it could be light grey, e.g. 507C (all or some of the panels).

2) medium colour panels - I have no idea what this colour is, perhaps a grey of some sort but not, I think, dark grey, e.g. 507A. It could be the greenish/blue colours often used on escorts, such as B55, B30 or some of the lighter MS colours, MS3.

3) There is some outlining the panel under the bridge area and I safely assume that to be black.

I few years ago, the RCN repainted a couple ships in a similar pattern but they used the current RCN grey for the light colour, and a very generic blue that does not look like any WWII blue/grey colour to me, so that may not be a good guide.

Any comments would be welcome
Thank you
George

Does anyone know where the mine rails would be located on an I class destroyer. I’m doing the Icarus in 1940 during the Narvik campaign.



Bob Pink :wave_1:

The 1/200th card model of Waskesiu by Neptunia shows a door on the starboard side of the radar pedestal.

http://neptunia-hobbies.com/gallery.html

I'm working on the Resin Shipyards Kootenay. I can't see any obvious access to the bridge itself from the interior of the ship--no stair openings to the bridge, for example. Was there a door in the pedestal for the Type 271 radar, or am I missing something obvious? Any enlightenment would be welcome!

Guys, you are a great help! Thanks!

Thanks Dick - I hadn't realised the davits could be folded down.

I think TSDS was still fitted on llex.

The starboard broadside photo from Maritimequest is of too poor a quality to say whether or not it is fitted at that time. That photo would date to late-May/June/July 1940 before the Med Fleet started to paint to improvised camouflage designs at Alexandria from 5th August 1940 onwards. However I have a photo of Ilex at Alexandria in her first ‘Alexandria’ scheme very clearly showing TSDS gear still in place:[attachment=3]Ilex 1940 Alexandria TSDS winch - Copy.jpg[/attachment][attachment=2]Ilex 1940 Alexandria TSDS gear at stern davits folded down- Copy.jpg[/attachment]

Note the angle of the top of the stowed paravane and the mounting right at the stern with its overhanging brackets and their dangling snatch blocks through which the sweeping wires were fed.

In Brett’s 1941 photo I believe that at the stern you can see the distinctive angled silhouette formed by the top of a stowed paravane plus the mounting right at the stern and one of its aft projecting brackets.

The (lack of) visibility of the paravane davits is not a reliable guide as they could be folded down (Icarus overhead 19 Oct 1942): [attachment=1]Icarus 1942 10 19 TSDS davits folded down a - Copy.jpg[/attachment]

Once folded down between the paravanes the davits become more-or-less invisible in low-angle views as this photo of Icarus 19 Oct 1942, taken by the same PR sortie as the overhead view, demonstrates:[attachment=0]Icarus 1942 10 19 TSDS davits folded down b - Copy.jpg[/attachment]


Damaged in June 1941 Ilex slowly made her way to Charleston to be repaired. When she re-emerged in September 1942 she still had TSDS fitted. In this photo the paravane davits are upright.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205167531

The written record supports this. Whilst the half-yearly CB 01815B (Particulars of War Vessels and Aircraft) may not be a useful guide to the exact dates of modifications or to local improvisations, as a record of the situation regarding major fittings/equipment at different points in time it normally gets there in the end. It records Ilex as fitted with TSDS throughout this period.

[quote="PetrOs"]... It is very likely her. And many details are readable there - no extra 20mms, cut down rear mast with a stub on searchlight... Seems to have no radars. Camo also well readable.[/quote]
Also no TSDS davits, and (perhaps) no TSDS winches either, plus splinter shields at the deck-edge outboard of "Y" 4.7" mounting.

[quote="Brett Morrow"]A poor but interesting image worth consideration.
This image is reported to have been taken from Perth approx. April/May 41, it appeared some time back on the NHSA (Australia) F.B. site and is incorrectly and ridiculously labelled as Stuart.
It is an I class and after much discussion myself and Dick had come to the conclusion that this may in fact be Ilex, 2nd flotilla bands with a possible leader band on forward funnel, no pennant present and wearing a pattern.
At the battle of Cape Matapan she would have been in a disruptive scheme, Not 507C overall, your challenge is to find an image of her in that scheme.[/quote]

It is very likely her. And many details are readable there - no extra 20mms, cut down rear mast with a stub on searchlight... Seems to have no radars. Camo also well readable.

The image posted by Brett has reminded me of another small detail; the galley exhaust on the "H" and "I" classes was external, running diagonally up and aft around the starboard side of the forefunnel from the galley at the after end of the foc's'le before running nearly vertically up the after side of the funnel (thinks: "Have to amend my Ithuriel model" :()