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Topic review - IJN Musashi (Tamiya 1/350 old tool)
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karih wrote:
Hi pascalemod,

This photo of the Yamato stern is from the Skulski book (which I strongly recommend to buy, if you want to make a "proper" version of the Yamato).


I have that book (red one) but seemingly missed the photo of the stern thinkning im looking at a rudder! Very good indeed. The ships 3D model is also on Youtube from them, so you can see it rotate. I have used it to double check the question 2) I had, and confirmed the high antifouling assumption. ;) Page 13 photo aligns well with the 3D photo.
Post Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 12:39 pm
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Hi pascalemod,

This photo of the Yamato stern is from the Skulski book (which I strongly recommend to buy, if you want to make a "proper" version of the Yamato).


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This photo is a copy from Janusz Skulski's book AOTS Battleships Yamato and Musashi

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:45 am
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karih wrote:
pascalemod wrote:
This is amazing bit of work and detail!

Couple of questions (as one Yamato sits in my stash):

1) Got more shots of that stern? Why did you go through the effort of redesign, what evidence did you use to be convinced this is the way?

2) I notice that you painted the antifouling red all the way up to those "pipes" on the side of the ship (forget the term?). Most kits would have it lower, in line with the waterline markings. Did IJN really paint it higher?


Thank you pascalemod for your positive comments!

For the questions:

1) I followed the styling of the Kure model although it differs from the design in the Skulski book and one of the photos from the wreck suggests that Skulski might be right.

2) Once again, I followed the Skulski book and some of the photos (Yamato sea trials & Yamato in Kure) hint that the antifouling was painted rather high, but very difficult to see where the upper level is in comparison with the scupper pipes. Please check the Yamato photo database.


1) So you have seen that stern wreck photo? Any chance at all to take a look at it? I looked everywere and couldnt find anything, but did think that the stern shape was either meant for launching the ship backwards, or - damaged from hitting the sea floor. But curious to see your take, yes.

2) I did check one of the trials figure where she is in port, overlayed on 3d model - very close match to the Skulski higher up waterline, so Im with you on that. It should be painted up. Up to the scupper pipes. Mine will be like that. Builders model would not be (Kure) but it does not matter. I think the wartime was different to "planned" and they sat lower with fuel etc. Higher up antifouling would make sense as regulare paint would weather a lot worse. Especially if ship sat in port, which it did. a lot.
Post Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 6:04 am
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pascalemod wrote:
This is amazing bit of work and detail!

Couple of questions (as one Yamato sits in my stash):

1) Got more shots of that stern? Why did you go through the effort of redesign, what evidence did you use to be convinced this is the way?

2) I notice that you painted the antifouling red all the way up to those "pipes" on the side of the ship (forget the term?). Most kits would have it lower, in line with the waterline markings. Did IJN really paint it higher?


Thank you pascalemod for your positive comments!

For the questions:

1) I followed the styling of the Kure model although it differs from the design in the Skulski book and one of the photos from the wreck suggests that Skulski might be right.

2) Once again, I followed the Skulski book and some of the photos (Yamato sea trials & Yamato in Kure) hint that the antifouling was painted rather high, but very difficult to see where the upper level is in comparison with the scupper pipes. Please check the Yamato photo database.
Post Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 3:13 am
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This is amazing bit of work and detail!

Couple of questions (as one Yamato sits in my stash):

1) Got more shots of that stern? Why did you go through the effort of redesign, what evidence did you use to be convinced this is the way?

2) I notice that you painted the antifouling red all the way up to those "pipes" on the side of the ship (forget the term?). Most kits would have it lower, in line with the waterline markings. Did IJN really paint it higher?
Post Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:38 am
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AUXILIARIES continues with boats & crane.


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File comment: Fiddly crane in construction.
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File comment: Crane ready for the wires and paint. It was twisting in all possible directions.
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File comment: Crane finished and glued in place.
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File comment: Stern area is pretty crowded with the crane, boats, catapults and AA guns.
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File comment: The gangway was a delicate structure, which I managed to break into pieces a couple of times.
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Post Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 10:22 am
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AUXILIARIES

The Tamiya kit contained poor quality planes and boats, so I replaced both of them. I used Hasegawa's Japanese Navy Ship-borne Seaplane Set A for visible planes (the ones in the hangar were kit planes) and Tamiya's own WWII Japanese Navy Utility Boat Set for boats. Luckily, the otherwise poor Eduard PE set had parts for catapults, crane and Type 21 radar above the Hoiban range finder.


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File comment: The Hoiban range finder with Type 21 radar became more impressive with the PE parts. I also used Tamiya's individual stanchions + 0,1 mm copper wire for the railings instead of Eduard's simpler ones.
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File comment: Kit did not have any binoculars (only simple molded studs), so I replaced them with binoculars from Bunker Studio.
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File comment: I wanted to have the planes also with retracted wings, but I could not find any WWII photos, so had to use this CAD image.
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File comment: Changing the Hasegawa plane was a rather fiddly process.
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File comment: Pete in normal configuration was much easier.
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File comment: Original kit planes in the hangar will not be visible, but I still wanted to add them.
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File comment: Placed one plane into the well aft of the hangar.
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File comment: Although not as detailed as the Pontos equivalent, the catapults were a nice detail.
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File comment: Catapult glued in place. Notice also the nice lifebuoy from FStar.
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File comment: Plane ready to take off!
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Post Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 10:03 am
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RIG

After seeing Katana's comprehensive study of the Yamato rigging, I was a bit afraid to start the job. In the end I decided to do a rather simple version since the target of this build was never to reach any award winning level. If I remember correctly, I used three different kind of thread: AK Interactive's Thin for the longitudinal wires & Ultra thin for the verticals plus Infini's Super Fine white for the halyards. I also added some white cylinderical insulators & brown ball insulators (some white glue + paint). Despite having a few disasters, the end results was quite ok.


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File comment: Command tower in place.
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File comment: Unfortunately, Eduard set did not include brass bars for the main mast and also the radars were a bit wrong.
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File comment: Mast in place and rigging in progress.
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File comment: Wiring in front of the command tower done.
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File comment: Midship wiring finished.
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File comment: Longitudinal wires connected with the crane.
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File comment: Everything ready with insulators.
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Post Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:29 am
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Edoardo81 wrote:
Uao you are building it really fast!


Actually Edoardo, it took me more than a year to finish, but due to health issues, I did not start writing the thread before. Now that it is finished, I thought that it would be nice to show the whole project not only the final photos.
Post Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:03 am
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SG1 wrote:
I love those tower railings! :cool_2: Amazing finish and weathering. Bravo!


Thank You SG1 for your kind words! Well appreciated.
Post Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:00 am
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Uao you are building it really fast!
Post Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:40 am
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I love those tower railings! :cool_2: Amazing finish and weathering. Bravo!
Post Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:07 am
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ARMAMENT continues with single 25 mm AA guns and twin 12 mm machine guns plus the ammunition boxes.


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File comment: Single 25 mm guns were small but relatively easy to build with "only" 13 parts each.
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File comment: Ready painted.
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File comment: Finally, the smallest of them all: twin 12 mm machine gun with 12 parts each.
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File comment: Luckily, only two were needed!
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File comment: Single 25 mm AA guns in place.
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File comment: Added the 13 mm machine guns into the tower.
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File comment: Replaced also the plastic ammunition boxes with Infini's nice PE parts.
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Post Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:46 am
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ARMAMENT continues with AA guns.

Once again, Eduard set did not have PE parts for the actual AA guns (only the shields were included), so I purchased some nice sets from Infini which are definetely high quality products. However, they are also very tiresome to build due to excessive number of parts. Eg. the triple 25 mm AA guns consists of 20 individual parts and since there are 27 of those, it means 540 parts for those guns (a tough project within a project :Mad_6: ). But the end result is impressive.


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File comment: A nice set of Infini's PE parts for the AA guns and ammunition boxes.
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File comment: I started the shields by bending them roughly into the right diameter.
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File comment: Then I glued the base plates on the superstructure and after that glued the shields in place to get the right diameter.
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File comment: Finally, bended down the supporting brackets and glued them in place.
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File comment: Instruction show clearly, how complicated the assembly is.
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File comment: Work in progress.
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File comment: This was a real challenge for my poor eyes and shaky hands!
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File comment: All 27 ready for the paint.
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File comment: Final product with three different colours.
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File comment: Started to glue them in place.
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Post Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:35 am
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ARMAMENT

Main armament consisting 9 pcs of 460 mm cannons in 3 turrets and 6 pcs of 155 mm cannons in two turrets was fairly straightforward to build. I had purchased metallic barrels for both of them and also for the 105 mm AA guns. Eduard set did not have the railings for those guns, so I used generic PE sets instead.


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File comment: Glued the Aber aluminium barrels to original blastbags and added some detail PE stuff from Eduard.
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File comment: Since Eduard PE sets did not have railings for the main guns, I used Tamiya's generic set with individual stanchions and 0,1 mm copper wire. A lot of funn with this!
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File comment: Same procedure with 155 mm guns.
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File comment: After primer and base colour, I added some shading.
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File comment: Same with 155 mm.
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File comment: After several layers of thin base colour, I added some weathering with salt lines (AK Int AK306), dirt (AK Int AK304) and some pigments.
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File comment: Finished product with barrels in place.
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File comment: Forward main armament in place.
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File comment: Same with aft armament.
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Post Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:16 am
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StevenVD wrote:
I think you managed this just fine. I once repaired an old broken Tamiya Bismarck and I also used Eduard for it. It's not conclusive and it doesn't correct the kit errors but the investment is more reasonable than using an expensive Pontos set on a kit that's not the best anymore. The rigging looks complicated, you pulled it off beautifully though I think it's not the superfine elastic thread?


Thank You Steven :thumbs_up_1: !

That was actually my thinking when I bought the Eduard set. No point in spending a fortune when the starting point is already poor.

If I remember right, I used a thicker elastic thread for the longitudinal wires and superfine for the vertical wires & halyards.
Post Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:58 am
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I think you managed this just fine. I once repaired an old broken Tamiya Bismarck and I also used Eduard for it. It's not conclusive and it doesn't correct the kit errors but the investment is more reasonable than using an expensive Pontos set on a kit that's not the best anymore. The rigging looks complicated, you pulled it off beautifully though I think it's not the superfine elastic thread?
Post Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:02 am
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Deck & superstructure: final touches with railings.


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File comment: Having prepainted the railings in the fret, it was fairly straightforward to glue them in place.
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File comment: Port side done.
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Post Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:28 am
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Deck & superstructure continues with the Pontos wooden deck.

This was my first ever wooden deck assembly and it was a bit tricky because the old Tamiya tooling has included a big part of the superstucture in the deck mould. This meant that every hole, bend and corner had to be adjusted painstakingly before the actual glueing. It took me several hours to get everything ok (and not to damage the fragile material). It also meant that most of the paint work for the superstructure had to be made before mounting the wooden deck. For the same reason, I also stained the deck before the mounting. I tried to copy the colour of an aged & weathered cypress wood. So, although it looks a bit towards grey, it was not my idea to copy the black stained deck during the breakthrough in the San Bernardino Strait (which seem to have lead to some "heated" discussions in the net).


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File comment: The difference between a new and weathered cypress wood.
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File comment: At first, stained the deck with AK Int Dark Wash for Wooden Deck.
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File comment: Secondly, added some AK Int Wash for Grey Deck to create the weathered look.
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File comment: The stern part of the wooden deck was glued first.
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File comment: After that, the bow section went in. I had to glue the area between the superstructure and the housing of the 155 mm gun separately due to the PE mounted earlier.
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File comment: Pontos deck came with dry transfers for the white deck markings which were painted late 1944 to improve safety during night time.
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File comment: Painted also the white stripes between the flight deck tracks.
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File comment: Added anchor chains (also from Pontos) and some weathering on the forecastle deck.
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File comment: Mounted all the rope & cable coils on deck.
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File comment: Finally, assembled the main parts of the superstructure.
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Post Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:22 am
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Deck & superstructure continues with the command tower & initial painting.


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File comment: According to Skulski book (page 158) the signal deck has several errors of which I only corrected the flag stowage area.
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File comment: The command tower is a project in itself with all those tiny PE parts.
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File comment: Starting to look like it should be.
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File comment: All PE parts really make the difference in a ship model!
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File comment: Unfortunately, the Eduard set had several stupid errors like this mast base area: the holes for the mast were the wrong way around!
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File comment: Once in a while, one needs to motivate oneself with some dryfitting.
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File comment: Started initial paint work with the forecastle deck. I painted the antislip area with steel colour to imitate the galvanized plates.
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File comment: After the initial paint, I added some shading on the flight deck to create a bit of variety.
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File comment: Finally, several thin layers of diluted Kure Gray plus final shadows with white.
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File comment: First primer for the lower superstructure.
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Post Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:28 am

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