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[quote="JIM BAUMANN"][b][i][size=200]....do a quick build.... [/size][/i][/b]


LOL....! there is no longer such a thing!


:wave_1: JB[/quote]

Ain't that the truth!!

Hi Bill,

I missed this fine WIP during the last month. Really inspiring and an excelent modelmaking :thumbs_up_1:

HI Bill
I wait to see you back in "business" :thumbs_up_1:
regards
Nicolas

[b][i][size=200]....do a quick build.... [/size][/i][/b]


LOL....! there is no longer such a thing!


:wave_1: JB

Hi...

Yes... normal summer stall (although I have spells at ANY time of year when I just get distracted and take time to get back).

I see JB is in the same boat as well... so we are in good company.

Olympics, the weather, it was 32 C yesterday (91F) plus a new business which I started a couple of months ago, plus ups and downs with the GF... its been a busy couple of months.

I even bought an HMS Astute in 350 to do a quick build and get me back into modelling and even that stalled!!! :big_grin:

Thanks for asking though... I WILL get back to it... :thumbs_up_1:

Hi Bill.
How you comeing on with Mikasa.
I know that I stall on some of me builds and leave to have another go later.
'Tis natural lol'. :good_job:

LOL Bill, I have already posted drawings which show Mikasa's 1904/05 funnel stays a bit earlier :big_grin: Check the middle of page 4 of this thread.

[quote="DariusP"]Remember that Mikasa was not restored to how she appeared during Russo-Japanese War.
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Bugger...!

I knew it wasn't restored to that period... but I thought maybe the funnels stays had remained much the same.... I'll have to have a look at similar ships from the RN as well as any more I can find of Mikasa... I don't suppose you have anything suitable Darius...? I know this is more your period than mine, and you have been an incredible source of information for years... :thumbs_up_1:

[quote="Bill Livingston"]Excellent photo's.. thank you! :thumbs_up_1:

I knew most went to the inside edge of the boat decks, but these show the anchor points with real clarity... perfect...[/quote]

No they didn't Bill. While anchor points and tighteners for stays probably looked very similar to those in the photos, anchor points for funnel's stays weren't located where they are today. Remember that Mikasa was not restored to how she appeared during Russo-Japanese War.

Excellent photo's.. thank you! :thumbs_up_1:

I knew most went to the inside edge of the boat decks, but these show the anchor points with real clarity... perfect...

Jim... I know I have been off the radar a little. Been in Germany most of last week and then meetings all this week... setting up and starting my new company has taken most of my time recently... and trying to deal with various accountancy packages is proving to be a nightmare... They all have advantages and disadvantages and the easiest and most commonly used isn't Mac compatible... nor does it import your business bank account details and keep track of expenditure, VAT etc automatically.. it all manual updates. And the good one that IS Mac compatible is only on line and stored on a remote server. I understand why... its secure (ish) and you won't lose all your accountancy data... but bloody hell.. in these days of Raid backups and the fact that most airports or hotels still charge for wireless connection... assuming its useable... surely an offline package actually ON your laptop is more useable and faster... Updating to a server should be done once all the data is inputted... not during...

Rubbish... sometimes you wonder if it is really 2012! :smallsmile:

Back to modelling.

Rebuilt my office/workshop... just some tidying up to do then I can start again.

Those pictures will help...

Back soon with an update :thumbs_up_1:

Great shots!!! :thumbs_up_1:

Bill,

I made it to [i]Mikasa[/i], and here are some photos. As you can see the funnel stays are connected directly to the inside of the elevated deck structure.

I have several more of other parts of the ship. Let me know if you need any more. :thumbs_up_1:

Bill-- I have been offa the radar on your build--dunno why!?!!


But...

I fully agree with Guido ref the gaps under the casemates

White glue and paint--I have hidden much worse... :big_grin:

JB

From my experience I'd recommend to you to glue on the net shelf in suitable sections to the hull and then add the supprot struts to the shelf. As a rule of the thumb: Build from big to small. It is easier to adjust smaller parts onto bigger parts than vice versa.
Good luck!
Guido

Question about the WEM PE net support (Koenig) :

i have to build it in my GK (ICM) but dont know how to :

first pre-building net support and small brackets together, then glue it in the hull ?

glue the brackets on the hull, then glue the support on the brackets (already glued in the hull) ?

Bill, I was able to get up to the ship today, but I was not able to get on her. I will get on her tomorrow after work, and I will get some better pictures. What I did get was this:
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This might give you a hint of where the stack cable anchors are, but when I get up on the ship I will have a better chance to get good pictures.

I hope this helps a little.

-Dave

Hi, Bill!
Being in your place I'd try to fill the gaps and the crack with white glue and touch up. That should help hiding them.
Keep up the good work!
Guido

Thanks for your suggestions Guido... I have already revarnished the whole model and then did some wet very light washes in white and black once again and toned it down quite a lot. Very pleased with the final result.

The first few attempts at the torpedo net HAD wire rings around it every 10 or 12mm... but after having a few failed attempts and that being by far the most time consuming, I decided to try the next version without the rings fitted... as it happened, that was the one I went with. I COULD still add brailing loops by adding brown coloured fishing line and threading them behind the lace and down through the net shelf and then a spot of superglue to tie them off... not sure... I'll see how a feel later on... may just leave it as it is though...

Gordon was looking for the flaws I was complaining about... well, you can see them on the picture below. The wood deck, combined with not a particularly great fit (or parts breakdown) meant the two casemates for the 6" guns on the underside of the boat deck at either end don't fit properly. I had fitted them onto the underside of the boat deck prior to painting as I felt it would be easier to paint them off the model rather than dealing with overspray on the wooden deck and the fact it is nigh on impossible to mask. This meant that the boat deck parts had to be fitted with the casemates in place and this proved to be a problem on both sides, particularly on the starboard side which tells me it would have been possible to have got this right. The result is a small gap under each casemate. I spent ages trying to refit it, removed part of the wooden deck to re-seat the whole assembly, tried using heavy books to keep it clamped in place... all sorts of things. The problem is, there is a built in 'spring' which is meant to help you fit the guns in place and it's that very spring that makes clamping things together to get rid of the gap at this stage nigh on impossible. The frustrating thing is, I know I could have avoided this with better planning. On top of the unsightly gap issues, it also meant that the 6' guns were a struggle to fit which resulted in a crack appearing and there was nothing I could do about it. I'll just have to leave it.

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Anyway, that was the flaw/flaws I was referring to Gordon... even did it with the red circles as requested!:big_grin: :thumbs_up_1:

It's easier to see in black and white... and so is the variation in tone in the greys now as there is none of the weird colour cast I seem to be getting under natural light with my sons older iPhone 3

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Anyway, that's it for now. I'll have to live with it and move on to the bridge assemblies and the rest of the model...so thanks moomoon... it helps! :thumbs_up_1:

Onwards!!! :big_grin:

(PS... I know the boat on the boat deck looks crude and heavy... its the original basic kit part...lots of work to do yet to bring that up to the same level of detail...).

The painting looks very good. The torpedoe net already looks perfect to me :thumbs_up_1:

Stay the corse, Bill!
There will always be a learning curve with every model you do. However, if you try to learn everything in just one model, you are bound to to never finish one. As you said a few postings up: Better to finish a model with some mistakes included, then never to finish anything at all.

Concerning the shoelace. I think there shuld be a good product available. In the NNT Goeben kit is a lace that is about 2mm across. It has about the same structure as your shoelace.

[img]http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/Guido-bay/Goeben/Fertig/Finish-01.jpg[/img]

I do not know where else to get it, but it shoud'nt be to hard to find.

Secondly, I think tht the look of the T-net should be enhanced by tying it off in sections every 10 to 12mm using strands of fine copper wiring. However, if it is too difficult to replace now. Just let it be. There will be so much elses added to the model that in the end the net won't be as prominent a feature.

If the shade of grey is not to your liking ou can tone it down using grey pigments (e.g. Artitec) you can add them onto your finish in veticla strokes, this toning down the background shade. By adding grey, white (careful!), and balck (careful, too!) you can tone down the overall green appearance and get a nice and worn ut effect.

Stick to the project at hand, Bill! It'll turn out great!

Cheers,
Guido