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[quote="dafi"]Thank you Bosco :-) And what does one do if one has almost a cable length of anchor rope and some movable manger boards ? Of course one tries out things :-) And what? The last pictures show the anchor rope tight and well clear the manger boards. Usually with the guns run out, everything looks neat, tidy and spacious. With the guns lashed it becomes already more tight. But what with the cables prepared for throwing the anchor? Hihihihihihihi... So here we go ... [img]http://mediaharmonists.de/bilder/800_Victory-cable_1562.jpg[/img] ... the tensioned anchor cables clear above the manger boards. But some time ago, I already did put up some heretical questions: - the boards of the manger are not constructed in a way that a heavy anchor cable can rub over them. - several sources claim the manger´s boards to be removable for what purpose? - for what purpose were they taken out? - why are they usually shown as a permanent fix? While preparing came out Goodwins new book Victorys "Owners´ Workshop Manual" that gives a nice describtion on how to prepare to throw an anchor - Clear the deck. But I kept the guns lashed (Lets suppose we have a heavy sea and do not want to unleash them). - The sides of the manger were taken out! [b]HA!!![/b] [i]That[/i] is why I made them removable, I knew it!!! - The starboard side anchor cable is stored on the port side because of handling. So bring it up the gundeck and flake it out in long loops along the deck, in a way that it can´t get jammed. [b]HA!!![/b] [i]That[/i] is why I made my cable that long!!! - When the required length is laid out, fix the rope around the bitts and add some stoppers in front and back of the bitts (missing in the pictures still) - If not done yet take a smaller messenger cable and get the cable through the hawser holes to to be fixed on the anchor. Then comes a series of sailing manouvers . Then the anchor is let go and the rope can run out the hawser holes and uncoil easily throughout the deck without rubbing against any manger boards. Like this it makes finally sense to me :-) Finetuning still welcome! And this is how it looks like: Starboard manger boards taken out ... [img]http://mediaharmonists.de/bilder/800_Victory-anchoring_1590.jpg[/img] ... uand the long hanks down the deck. This is almost a cable length. [img]http://mediaharmonists.de/bilder/800_Victory-anchoring_1576.jpg[/img] And some more pics for pleasure and fun. [img]http://mediaharmonists.de/bilder/800_Victory-anchoring_1568.jpg[/img] [img]http://mediaharmonists.de/bilder/800_Victory-anchoring_1569.jpg[/img] [img]http://mediaharmonists.de/bilder/800_Victory-anchoring_1571.jpg[/img] [img]http://mediaharmonists.de/bilder/800_Victory-anchoring_1581.jpg[/img] [img]http://mediaharmonists.de/bilder/800_Victory-anchoring_1594.jpg[/img] And suddenly, it doesn´t look that spacious and clear any more ;-) As a guide the length of the cable should be 3 times the depth of water if I understood right. The free end of [i]this[/i] cable shown here on deck is 150 meters, so the water shoud be 40 to 50 meters deep. The Cable length of about 183 meters came out of the length of the old ropewalks. If longer cables were needed for deeper water, two cables had to be spliced together. Than we would have had about 9 hanks instead of the five here shown on the pictures. I think this should be still possible space wise. Sincerily, Daniel[/quote]

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Topic review - To HMS Victory and beyond

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dafi

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Thank you Dan!

It has now been 4.5 months since the big show in Evian. Since then, my ing Beauty has been lying in her box in the camper van, as I haven't had the time to kiss her nor the space on the work table to lay her down gently.

This weekend I finally pricked up my lips and gave her a really nice wake-up kiss

And I took the opportunity to take a few beauty shots and compare 1803 and 1910

Is this now considered unto be out of box?

I also took the opportunity to take a closer look at the new bow. It was based on the three-deckers built between 1800 and 1805. The bowsprit is now also anchored one deck higher.

One side is still a bit rough ;-)

Hope you like it!

XXXDAn

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 5:50 am

Dan K

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Continued incredible work.

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 12:36 pm

marijn van gils

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Wonderful work Daniel! :thumbs_up_1:

This may not have been her most beautiful 'version', but it certainly is an interesting one. And it makes for a very unique model too!

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 12:22 pm

dafi

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Just realized that I missed one entry. here it is :-)

So I went over the stovepipe outlet cover plate underneath the fore chains. First it was reduced in size according to the source. On closer inspection of the photpgraph, I noticed that the support block could also be a brick. Since the entire shipyard is made of red brick, I took the opportunity to color it.

Here is my comparison picture again. The shoe for the anchor is still far too small, but the rest is slowly coming along :-)

Even more distinct without color.

As the picture is from 1920 and the state I am showing is 10 years earlier I do not know yet how much of the rot I will show.

XXXDAn

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 10:35 am

dafi

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Thank you SG!

When the side gallery was in place, it didn't seem gloomy enough. An anxious look, and sure enough, the white balusters that I had been looking forward to so much just weren't there. Crap. And painting over it looked like crap. I'm sorry, but it did.

Like dafi does what dafi does best: Destruction!

So I broke out the white balusters and put in new black ones. Now the eyeliner is still missing in the broad white profiles and then it could work. It's only an approximation anyway, as otherwise the side galleries would have to be completely rebuilt. At that time, the curves were less pronounced and the whole structure was more angular. But I can't reconstruct it much better with the documents I have so far. Maybe later on, new sources might turn up.

And since I was just tinkering around, I added the chutes for the signal cannons. Probably so that powder and cartridge residues don't stick to the ship's side.

XXXDAn

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:26 am

SG1

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Beautiful dafi-esque work. Amazing as always :cool_2:

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:16 am

dafi

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Made a little progress over the last few days.

First planked the poop railing, then built the curved end to the aft deck railing, pressed on the end strip using cable ties.

Then sanded down the balusters on the side pocket, which has become quite fast.

First built the dominant vertical rear end profile.
Then came the other window frames.

The whole thing sprayed and the white balusters glued on ...

... and then - oh horror - ...

...

...

...

XXXDAn

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 7:23 am

dafi

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The rigols have also found their way onto the model. Here still in the stack ...

... and here already at the scene of the crime.

My favorite detail :-)

But I saw afterwards that the wooden panel only covers the top panel, so I'll probably have to touch that up again.

The area of the hase bolsters has already been marked on the bow and the prison cell has also been given its bars ...

... and the windows under the poop also got their window frames.

XXXDAn

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:02 am

dafi

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And because it was so beautiful, we went straight on.

Some of the ports have been planked up over the years. So that it still looks very well-fortified ...

... the missing windows were simply painted on. Honi soit qui mal y pense.

The artillery has also found its way to the dressed rehearsal. In front are the three signal cannons for the salute, above them short 12-pounders from dubious historical stocks ...

... and amidships the historic Trafalgar guns - or what they were considered to be at the time ;-)

And before the questions come, yes, the barrels did indeed sit on the lower portframe back then. Improperly executed changes to the port dimensions and incorrect carriages ...

XXXDAn

Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:32 am

Martocticvs

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Fantastic! I have an appreciation for the clean, uncompromising lines and paint schemes of this period. It will be interesting to see how the warping correction turns out.

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:22 am

dafi

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... and even the anchor chains :lol_3:

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:03 am

JIM BAUMANN

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as a fellow black and white sailing ship builder....( Bretagne)

( but mine is 7 x smaller ) :big_grin:

I understand the joy of all
the ' stuff ' being uncompromisingly painted ;black and white--including the anchors

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:15 am

dafi

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When it rolls, it rolls, or the victory of impatience over model-building caution.

Once I was this far along, I naturally wanted to see the whole thing in paint. This was a risk because the paper planking is quite sensitive and I still had to do the whole other side. But, but, but: it just had to be done.

I had slightly oversized the separating battens, so I sanded the thicker one even thinner and broke the edges. It did the whole thing good.
I used the masking tape to protect the paper planks. This worked really well.

After the first round of white spray over everything, a beveled skewer was ideal for removing grains and impurities.

Then I generously covered the white strip with masking tape and used the profile battens to cut it into shape with a scalpel, which went really quickly. Then black spray and removed the masking and simply: JOY! It worked.

The first size sample of the rigols hung up.

Very striking on the contemporary hull are the many additions, here the downpipes, probably plumbing.

But with a little paint, they blend into the overall work of art in such a way that one thinks they have always been there ;-)

Enjoy, DAniel

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:46 am

dafi

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Well, and the little fat one with the stripes is still stuck in the camper van since Evian. Nevertheless, there is always enough Victory for me to do.

I really missed the 1910 model at the last two exhibitions, as I like to show the developments on the ship. Time to take another look at my victorian black and white beauty. The first construction phase was January to March 2022, so that's already 2 years ago.

A brief look back: After sanding down and fattening up the entire side of the ship to get a level surface, she looked all tattered at first.

But the grace of the paint brought back some decency and dignity.

But in this state I realized one thing: A lot of glue and car filler had caused the hull halves to warp outwards quite a bit, 2 mm on the port side and 6 mm on the starboard side :-0

Then I was initially frustrated, but also realized that I should let the material work out in peace and see if it would still turn out any good.

And I think it's going to become something in the end. The good girl was released from her slumber and thoroughly checked. Deformation no had longer increased. However, it will take a lot of bending force, but I think the decks can manage this, with a little internal help if necessary. But that will only come when the time comes. Why?

I can only insert the decks once the window panes have been inserted. I can only insert the window panes once the outside has been painted. And I can't paint the outside until the planks are in place. So I had to take care of the planks.

In the past, I liked to use 0.2 mm ABS sheet, but the plastic glue tended to leave fingerprints. Wood was too thick for me and too time-consuming to procure. That's why I went exploring in my model maker friends' circles and found what I was looking for: 250 gram paper/cardboard.

Initial tests were quite inspiring.

In the original, there were wooden battens nailed on in two thicknesses to separate the colors. I made these from Evergreen, although I made them slightly thicker for handling reasons.

So planks cut on the guillotine shears ...

... and opened the glue pot.

First planks are slapped on ...

... and even that didn't put me off any further ;-)

And at some point the port half was planked, deliberately disregarding all planking schemes.

And in case anyone thinks that the entrance gate visible today is original, no, the gate that can be seen today is from this state of construction and was installed in the ship between 1820 and 1828. One gate further back than as build. And these port parts were simply reinstalled one port further forward in 1920 and declared as Trafalgar state. Honi soit qui mal y pense.

Fortunately, I've had the parts in my supply kit for a long time, so I just had to grab them.

For me as a plastic person, the tight planking around the stern was of course something new. I'll have to clean it up a bit, then it'll fit.

And I don't know why I remembered some well-known lines in the next picture ...

"Beneath it, visible to all, lay a huge spaceship, one hundred and fifty meters long, shaped like a smooth sneaker, snow-white and maddeningly beautiful. At its heart was a small golden box containing the most sophisticated invention ever made, an invention that made this spaceship something unique in the history of the galaxy, an invention that gave the spaceship its name - 'Heart of Gold'."
- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Chapter 4

But what still looks like this ...

... should develop into this :-)

Cheers, DAniel

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 6:31 am

dafi

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Merry Christmas everyone. It's been a while since Evian, but my little fat girl with the stripes is still slumbering in her transport box in the camper van. Too much to do in the time before the contemplative time.

Nevertheless, there was some news. Late additions and news. First the late addition :-)

Some time ago I needed some more guns. The proportions of the kit barrels are actually quite good, and with the etched parts you can also get the coat of arms on quite well. However, the most difficult part was always the part that you see the most - the muzzle. In the past, I had always closed it with some sprue and drilled a new hole, which was acceptable for individual pieces but annoying for mass production. Since I already had the basic programming for the guns of the USS Constitution, I took the Blomefield lines from the contemporary plans and updated them in the file and also added the coat of arms in the correct thickness for the scale. So I was able to reconstruct the whole set of guns quite quickly, I still use the gun mounts from the box.

Here's the old and the new together.

Here is the difference between the untreated kit carronade and the new one, once pure and once with paint.

The long tubes also benefit. The basic proportions are correct, but now the reinforcement rings are more clearly defined and the crest fits the scale.

Here is a comparison of the lengths of the 12-pounders: short, medium, long, medium, short. I also took the opportunity to attach the flint lock. Because you never actually saw the empty pan shown otherwise. Either there was a cover over it or the flint lock was fitted.

I think it was worth it :-)

XXXDAn

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2024 3:49 pm

marijn van gils

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That looks like a fun trip Daniel! :thumbs_up_1:

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:01 am

109

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Thanks for the report :thumbs_up_1:

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:53 am

dafi

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It was that time again. My little one had wanderlust again and wanted to get out.

Evian on Lake Geneva was the destination this time, a big meeting of the French. And as Madame doesn't like travelling, I was allowed to come along too. And a few other bits and pieces.

The SMS Trinkstein was a big hit! The number of times Joachim had to tell the story is mind boggling, as the dafi was never there, he was at all times everywhere and gossiping with everyone. Thanks Joachim for the help!

Captain Hornblower's starting scene was also well received, Capitaine sans peur as he is called in French, the captain without fear

Various printed parts ...

... working stuff ...

... books ...

... and of course savoury slices - after all, the French are gourmets :-)

And the little one was also very excited ...

...we had a photo session with her straight away.

Best regards, DAniel

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 4:20 am

Dan K

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Utterly superb work and details. Amazing.

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:04 am

dafi

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For the next level, I prepared the top mast shrouds. Even if Steel doesn't mention it explicitly, in most modern sources the foremost shroud is also dressed here, so that's what I decided to do. The sisterblock is also integrated between the two forward shrouds.

But first come the hangers / burton tackles ...

... then the sister blocks ...

... and everything in place.

Here you can see again the difference between the dressed and undressed shrouds. Unfortunately, in contrast to my self-made ropes, the purchased ropes do fluff a little, but this is not visible to the naked eye.

To continue working, I tensioned the shrouds down with clamps and gravity.

And dark ropes in front of a dark background are somewhat annoying even with good lighting, so I made a white cardboard template for this spot.

To continue working, I tensioned the shrouds down again with clamps and gravity.

And dark ropes in front of a dark background are a bit annoying even with good lighting, so I made a white cardboard template for this spot.

Then the dead eyes were bound in as the lower ones. To compensate for the lack of a third hand, I then tied the shroud to be worked on with a thread to the yardarm, see green arrows, helps immensely.

XXXDAn

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:28 am

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