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[quote="Channell"]One of my favorite threads of yore. :big_grin:

I'd be interested in seeing it's progression either here or on a new thread.[/quote]

Unless the mods or Anton (or anyone else for that matter) has a problem with it, I'd prefer to keep the build under Anton's original thread. It'll be a while before I start on finishing this Bismarck.

One of my favorite threads of yore. :big_grin:

I'd be interested in seeing it's progression either here or on a new thread.

Just an update for everyone who's wondering what happened to this build - Anton sold his Bismarck to myself back in late August 2013- I'm blessed to have inherited such wonderful work.

I haven't started continuing on with her yet, I still need to hone my skills before I feel even remotely confident in being competent enough to come near to Anton's quality of workmanship. Do I add updates to this thread or a new one I wonder?

Dave

Hi Anton, your Bismarck looks great. I have a damaged Bismarck which is about to be scrapped, so if you require any spare parts drop me a line. Cheers and good luck on your Bismarck.
Ken

[quote="Plastic Habit"]Between Olaf, Herr Nilsson, some others and you and your build Perth, you guys are a wealth of information that is invaluable to people like myself. So I thank you all for sharing that knowledge. Its the small things that make a better building experience, atleast for me.[/quote]

Same. I bought the Tamiya 1/350 model some time ago and haven't started on it yet, thinking of getting this 1/200 model and reading all of this is fascinating (when time allows me to do so).

Dave

hi chris
I only asked as my friend roger built his in pear
gary

Gary, the wood used is that which is supplied in the kit, mostly lime and walnut.

Chris

hi
that is very nice what wood did you use/
gary r

Anton, your log of this build has inspired me to have a go at the Bismarck also, although I have decided to use the Pontos detail set for my detail upgrade.
I see you are in the process of building the Caldercraft kit of H.M.S.Diana and thought you'd like to see my build of H.M.S.Agamemnon, like you I also neede a break from all the wood work about half way through the project.

Chris

Inspirational work mate........ I have had my Bismarck for some time now and haven't started it...... however, I am looking at the large list of growing modifications that will need to be done to it. Out of curiosity has any one published a corrections list yet......... I look forward to the hull modifications I am very interested to see how you do this....... I have seen Nigelr32's and 109's work I look forward to seeing how you do it great work again

Hey Earl,

If I were you I'd look at some other builds. This forum has become the "Trumpeter 1/200 Bismarck builders area".

There are a few sets appearing, Mk1, Eduard and a German supplier also. there is a new deck on the market too. Jason, known as Channel on here is doing a beautiful build of this kit. I have corrected the Hull and there are other builders doing various other mods also.

I plan on building one of these myself.
Where is a link for the extra details for the deck and PE parts your using.
This is my first ship so I don't know who puts out what for them.
Are there any figures for this size ship?
Yours is looking good,I will follow it for the extra tips and any headaches to look out for.
Earl

[quote="Wilhelm"] Is that little Asian figure on Dora playing a musical instrument, blowing on a pea shooter,...or smoking something to relax?[/quote]

She is a children's show character named Dora the Explorer (hence the pun of her being on Dora barbette), and is ostensibly Latina, not Asian.

So I will have to close all those beautiful scuttles and brass work if I do her at action stations... Sigh..such a shame.. I was reading the action report on the Denmark Strait battle... It would apear that at least the heavy 4.1 AA guns were manned as there was a British Aircraft that was snooping about during the gun battle and they were shooting at it...Also appears that when POW of was at her closest they were shooting at her with the 5.9 and the 4.1 for a short while.. Lindenman want to go after her and finnish her off.. Luthgens would hear nothing of it as it wasnt in there operations orders.. POW was very lucky on that day...She was ripe for the taking with most of her heavy guns out of action as she made smoke and turned away..

[quote="Channell"]Well most of them are closed on the wreck so that should answer your question, Wilhelm. Even the hull portholes had shields that must swing in from the interior before closing the portholes judging by the wreck videos. Damn... I could have saved myself a lot of work!

Honestly though, all this extreme Bismarck Rivet counting on the forum is exhausting me and sucking the fun right out of my build. We need to allow each other a bit more "artistic license" on this subject, me thinks. :nod_1:[/quote]

Jason:

Perfectionism is a CHILDISH concept! None of us are perfect! Nothing in this world is (or ever will be) perfect! BE HAPPY WITH YOUR MODEL!

The Forum brings a bunch of childish perfectionists (like me, you, and everyone else) together, where we can intentionally or unintentionally annoy each other, as we comment on historical minutiae and try to outbuild the Trumpeter TOY kit or even the next modeler in line! Fun, isn't it? Yes, it is, but it can't be taken too seriously. Bismarck went to her grave with her crew a long, long time ago. That's reality. We're all living in a present Bismarck fantasy world...kind of weird, if you think about it! DON'T take it seriously...or you'll get sick over a fantasy nothing.

I think your Bismarck is a fantastic build! But, as I warned earlier, this is not a kit to "sprint" at...it is a Marathon! Slow down to a more tolerable pace, and you'll have more fun.

By the way, please clarify: Is that little Asian figure on Dora playing a musical instrument, blowing on a pea shooter,...or smoking something to relax?

Well most of them are closed on the wreck so that should answer your question, Wilhelm. Even the hull portholes had shields that must swing in from the interior before closing the portholes judging by the wreck videos. Damn... I could have saved myself a lot of work!

Honestly though, all this extreme Bismarck Rivet counting on the forum is exhausting me and sucking the fun right out of my build. We need to allow each other a bit more "artistic license" on this subject, me thinks. :nod_1:

[quote="Bill Code"] I would like to bury the hull in constuction grade styrofoam and model a moderate sea state as on the box art.. In fact the box art is the moment in time I wish to model...The Battle of Denmark Straits. The question will be how many of her crew were on deck?? [/quote]

I'll confess I was never in the Navy...I was a United States Air Force Officer (point is, my operational knowledge of things nautical is embarassingly slim).

So, here's a question for all those NAVY Sea Monkeys: In World War II naval combat, did they batten all those exterior porthole storm covers when going to "battle stations?" Seems logical to minimize shell splinter damage to the ship from enemy hits or to simply minimize glass breakage from concussive blast of the 38 cm guns firing.

So, if one models Bismarck in combat in the Denmark Strait with her main artillery elevated and trained on Hood at about 70 degrees to port, shouldn't those porthole storm covers be CLOSED?

If so, I've never seen a model or painting depicting a "sealed-up" Bismarck in action. So what should Bill Code do with his action portrayal?

Thanks to the NAVY for clarifying this point for an ignorant "USAF Fly-Boy!"

[quote="Olaf Held"]What's wrong with the livery she wore after leaving Norway? If you can live with the bow waves, the dark grey painted horizontal roofs and the remainings of white and black in the boot-topping... apart from those details, this is the standard livery. On the other hand, the ship doesn't look that bad without her forward rangefinder (or without all her rangefinders), would make for a nice version, too. Standing out of the crowd of other *late-Bismarck* models. And, you wouldn't run into danger painting all the rangefinders black, as it can be seen on many models... :heh:

Happy modelling ~ Olaf![/quote]

Yes, Olaf, you are entirely correct!

I considered Commissioning Day versus the Denmark Strait scheme and am decided upon the former. Commissioning Day Bismarck did not yet bear deck swastikas, and in the Denmark Strait they were hidden (by paint or canvas). If the modeler doesn't care for swastikas, those are the two options. I like the simple, non-distracting elegance of the Hellgrau (light gray superstructure) and Mittelgrau (outboard gray hull) schemes. Crew figures were on parade on Commissioning Day, August 24, 1940. Such figures will be available from North Star Models, eventually.

The other commonly depicted Bismarck parade day, in photos, is May 5, 1941 when AH visited. His symbol was present, and the ship was sunk May 27, 1941.

What's wrong with the livery she wore after leaving Norway? If you can live with the bow waves, the dark grey painted horizontal roofs and the remainings of white and black in the boot-topping... apart from those details, this is the standard livery. On the other hand, the ship doesn't look that bad without her forward rangefinder (or without all her rangefinders), would make for a nice version, too. Standing out of the crowd of other *late-Bismarck* models. And, you wouldn't run into danger painting all the rangefinders black, as it can be seen on many models... :heh:

Happy modelling ~ Olaf!

[quote="Channell"]Leave out the rangefinder unit on the conning tower and you can still be authentic with the early paint scheme.[/quote]

Jason:

Yes, I know. I think we're building the same historic Bismarck...but SHE looks sooooo NAKED without her forward rangefinder and radar screen! No way to treat a lady!

See, I'm thinking like a "civilized American" once again! It does happen!