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Sorry, couldn't resist. :big_grin:

hello Jim
I'm always amazed by the smallness of hulls upon which you are working :thumbs_up_1:
I persist, you are a E.T
congrats
Nicolas

Looks great Jim

OK--time for an update:

The status quo on this ' craftsman type' - "starting-point-only " kit is:

1) The hull has been completed as far as I want to take it and is getting packed to be sent away for casting

I have added the 'over-the-side' heads as well as the outer edged of the hammock through as well as a few small adjustments.

The hull has been sanded fair and smoothed

ie there are no deck structures or funnel bases-
-I prefer this anyway as these are easily fabricated from strip styrene-

==> that way one gets far cleaner paint demarcation twixt deck and structure.
There are no bun carriage races on the deck--as I fear getting these cast dead sharp--leave along painting retrospectively would be very hard.

I would anyhow prefer to add these retrospectively of flattened copper wire anyhow ( as I did on Vladimir Monomakh)

http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/ru/ca/monomakh-700-jb/index.htm


2) The PE is in hand with the designer--this will include the sternwalk floor, railing and roof, all ratlines-upper an lower -upper and lower tops(platforms) for all masts, all skylight lids, engine room slotted vents, bow crests ( for both Agincourt and Minotaur allowing both ships to be built as well as a few other useful parts

3) Being a full rigged ship on fours masts there are a lot of spars--I intend these to be of turned brass--a supplier is still to be finalized upon.


Here are a couple of images of the completed hull master.

Thank you all for your encouragement. :wave_1:



The bow has now been shaped and contains a stainless steel stem piece

[attachment=0]agincourt build 258.jpg[/attachment]

I shall re-coat the hull with fresh paint to homogenize and eliminate any further surface defects...

[attachment=1]agincourt build 256.jpg[/attachment]

then the decision has to be taken whether of not to try an make a kit ..........


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[b][i][color=#400040]So far this looks like we will need at least 18 hulls. :scratch:


Nevertheless- I hope not to mislead anyone --this is likely to still be a ' Garage ' kit- at best...

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-requiring quite some scratch-building of guns,small structures etc etc, adding of windows doors etc... making Pinrails to surround the masts and of course making your own sails.

I will be making some moulds for the sails--so as to be able to shape and stretch wet paper over them

all of this still needs a bit of experimentation.

If that works then perhaps I can get some cast.

The PE I envisage will include the ratlines -size and layout specific to these ships - mast platforms,bridge walkway platform , admiral stern walk platform and railing--and hopefully also the roof.

I thinks PE will be too thick for the racers of the aft sternchaser gun...-- so will see if I can 'let in ' some depiction of this into the deck before it gets cast

I am hoping to get a PE Bowcrest and semblance of scrollwork also

I am in touch with metal turning people for spars, topmasts and barrels .

Will keep you abreast of the project...

what have I done... :doh_1:

Jim Baumann


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Watching this thread with interest, Jim. :cool_2:

Is this your first full scratch build? Or are there other efforts in your past? This is really inspiring me to get back to the Solferino, which I hope to do soon. Keep up the good work! You are an inspiration to us all. :wave_1:

Jim, maybe it's blasfemy or a pure eretic thought...but, if id be in your shoes,i'd make a resin copy of the hull just to build agincourt as coal barge...those cranes screams for being modeled :D:D:D

(by the way, greeeeat work so far, i'm waiting to see this finished)

JB, the funnels in your photo look to be pretty straight forward. I could make a set ready for casting a day or two.

OK gentlemen....

With the hull at the stage it is at it could still be cast.-- ( and perhaps even marketed via FWL )

It would be merely a starting point ( in the vein of the craftsman kits )

However it would still be a semi-scratchbuild for spars,detailing of deck fixtures, and outside sourced tubing for funnels, PE ratlines, ships boats et al...

[size=200][b]IF[/b][/size] there is any interest in this... :scratch: at all I might consider the idea of temporarily stopping the build once the hull is near completed to allow it to be moulded and cast....

Bear in mind this is not a Hi-Tec CAD rendered design but a hand carved hull--so it may not have the precision of a 'professionally' produced kit such as Combrig ....


Register your interests and thoughts here!!


Jim Baumann

Fair point all of the above..although the proportions of plastic are not entirety set in stone...

( Gordon Brookes sad disqualification with the SS Sagamore was a consequence in there being absolutely NO plastic on the entire model!! ( purist! :thumbs_up_1: )



Mark Slotas models are not always entirely plastic=--

in any case I was planning to pop it into the sail category :cool_2:


UK IPMS definition of scratch
( Scratch built (S) - A model constructed where the main body parts and / or flying
surfaces are home-made or vac-formed plastic, other than of a commercial nature.
The basic structure should be of plastic although a supporting (wooden) core is
permitted. A scratch built model may be detailed to any level desired by the
modeller.

UK IPMS Competition Telford Class Sail
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Class 68 Sailing Ships (any material any scale)[/i][/b]
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question is ...-- on Agincourt... are the sails auxiliary or is the steam engine auxiliary ?

They are really true motorsailers ... although

by definition a long passage on Agincourt or her most contemporaries was always conducted under sail ( Back in those days ....labour was paid for, time they had and wind was free)...

anyhow-- lets see if I can finish the model to a satisfactory standard... :wave_1:

Tara

JB

Could be, he does not want to reinforce the flooring under his metals cabinet.

[quote="Guido"]Here's one for the books: Another one of Jimbo's masterpieces and it WON'T have a shot at a medal at Telford: Too little plastic on this one!
Beautiful work, Jim! Can wait to see you get on with it!
Cheers,
Guido[/quote]

Ah, but if he had used this build as a master, then made a resin copy of it, say something you could make a kit out of and then built it from that, then it would.

Mike

Here's one for the books: Another one of Jimbo's masterpieces and it WON'T have a shot at a medal at Telford: Too little plastic on this one!
Beautiful work, Jim! Can wait to see you get on with it!
Cheers,
Guido

What a beauty - what a beast :-)

Great project that will be followed with pleasure!

Daniel

Contrary to popular opinion I have not fallen off a cliff-- merely 1/1 scale work has been rather hectic of late


The bulwarks have been constructed of two layers of styrene strip with a small gap left on top

[attachment=1]agincourt build 151.jpg[/attachment]




This is so as to be able to drop some round styrene rod into it to help simulate the canvas covered hammock stowage

when all is set I shall infill the turn from the edge of the outside of the bulwark to rod so as to give a smooth transition.


[attachment=0]agincourt build 161.jpg[/attachment]

First coat of paint will be used a sealing and guide coat when sanding--thereafter a couple of coats of dark grey-black...

then the interesting part begins-- detailing the deck and outside, masts and rigging et al!


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More soon

JB :wave_1:

Looking good JB. Is this the FW kit then? :big_grin:

Cheers,

Rob

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Jim, so when are we going to get a master for FWL. :heh:


I'm SURE Mr Surfacer 500 will do the trick with the wood grain Moomoon

Roy

small scale but huge difficulties :big_grin:
Interested to see how you will give a smooth surface on the wood hull. I've tried with several layers of thin matt paint+many smooth sandings or with liquid CA -yet that's nasty and stinky :dead: - but it was never perfect.

Hello Jim

wonderful display of knowledge to make :thumbs_up_1: like this it looks so simple!!!!!!
but it really requires a good command of various technical,it is magnificent :worship_1:
cheers
nicolas

You always make it look as if it's easy :faint:

Love to see your builds :wave_1: