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thank's Ricardo for this precise explanations  further progress??? cheers Nicolas thank's Ricardo for this precise explanations :thumbs_up_1: further progress???
cheers
Nicolas
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 1:23 am |
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LE BOSCO wrote: Hello Ricardo  nice work how much of turrets on the pola??I hope not too for you  cheers Nicolas Thank you Nicholas. It's a good question about 100mm/47 on Pola. Originally Pola and other Zara Class cruisers had 8 x 100mm/47 dual gun turrets, 4 at each side.  But after a modernization in second half of 30's, Pola and others Zara Cruiser had the 4th turrets changed by a pair of 37mm/54 dual Breda guns.   In my case, I'm representing Pola in second half of 1941 and six 100mm/47 dual turrets will be needed. [quote="LE BOSCO"]Hello Ricardo :wave_1:
nice work :thumbs_up_1: how much of turrets on the pola??I hope not too for you :wink:
cheers
Nicolas[/quote]
Thank you Nicholas. :thumbs_up_1:
It's a good question about 100mm/47 on Pola. Originally Pola and other Zara Class cruisers had 8 x 100mm/47 dual gun turrets, 4 at each side.
[img]http://i60.tinypic.com/30vnq7m.jpg[/img]
But after a modernization in second half of 30's, Pola and others Zara Cruiser had the 4th turrets changed by a pair of 37mm/54 dual Breda guns.
[img]http://i59.tinypic.com/2edqofl.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i61.tinypic.com/30xfmgp.jpg[/img]
In my case, I'm representing Pola in second half of 1941 and six 100mm/47 dual turrets will be needed.
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 5:15 pm |
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Hello Ricardo nice work how much of turrets on the pola??I hope not too for you cheers Nicolas Hello Ricardo :wave_1:
nice work :thumbs_up_1: how much of turrets on the pola??I hope not too for you :wink:
cheers
Nicolas
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 1:32 pm |
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JimVarnellABH2USN wrote: Ricardo,
Awesome build man, I will be using your thread to build mine if I ever get to it. Thank you Jim. [quote="JimVarnellABH2USN"]Ricardo,
Awesome build man, I will be using your thread to build mine if I ever get to it.[/quote]
Thank you Jim. :thumbs_up_1:
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:52 am |
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Ricardo,
Awesome build man, I will be using your thread to build mine if I ever get to it.
Ricardo,
Awesome build man, I will be using your thread to build mine if I ever get to it.
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:21 pm |
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A little topic atualization:
At 1st some drawings from Minizini I'm using as reference:
[img]http://i58.tinypic.com/ka46ly.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/j8hdon.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i62.tinypic.com/2qvawc6.jpg[/img]
Some parts are impossible to do in this scale, the idea is only capture this busy appearence inside shield shell.
First details are added on supports and a dry fitting for comparation with pictures:
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/fdr3tv.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i61.tinypic.com/34pasdy.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i59.tinypic.com/123r768.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i58.tinypic.com/zumvdi.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i61.tinypic.com/5aktgz.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i59.tinypic.com/2hqcho6.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i60.tinypic.com/2en2n3d.jpg[/img]
More news soon...
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:32 pm |
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Thank you for the invitation. However, I'm almost finished with mine, and compared to your thread, I haven't done much. And now I am working on the plane, the anchors, and the ship's boats. All of which look like they should be replaced. I haven't decided on what I'll do with them at the moment.
Thank you for the invitation. However, I'm almost finished with mine, and compared to your thread, I haven't done much. And now I am working on the plane, the anchors, and the ship's boats. All of which look like they should be replaced. I haven't decided on what I'll do with them at the moment.
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:26 am |
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GazzaS wrote: Very glad you are back to it Ricardo. I'm building Pola now but with less dedication than you. Still, your work is inspiring. Thank you GazzaS . Please, post your Pola progress at this forum for us. [quote="GazzaS"]Very glad you are back to it Ricardo. I'm building Pola now but with less dedication than you. Still, your work is inspiring.[/quote]
Thank you GazzaS :thumbs_up_1: . Please, post your Pola progress at this forum for us.
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:31 am |
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Very glad you are back to it Ricardo. I'm building Pola now but with less dedication than you. Still, your work is inspiring.
Very glad you are back to it Ricardo. I'm building Pola now but with less dedication than you. Still, your work is inspiring.
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:14 pm |
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LE BOSCO wrote: Hello Ricardo nice restart glad to see your work here  cheers Nicolas Hi Nicolas, Thank you for your kind words. Soon some news here. [quote="LE BOSCO"]Hello Ricardo :wave_1:
nice restart :thumbs_up_1: glad to see your work here :smallsmile:
cheers
Nicolas[/quote]
Hi Nicolas, :wave_1:
Thank you for your kind words. :thumbs_up_1:
Soon some news here.
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:15 pm |
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Hello Ricardo nice restart glad to see your work here cheers Nicolas Hello Ricardo :wave_1:
nice restart :thumbs_up_1: glad to see your work here :smallsmile:
cheers
Nicolas
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:30 am |
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After a long delay, due a travel and others compromises I'm returning to this project.
I restarted it working in 100/47 gun shields. Problems with kit shields shape was pointed by Ramaja at his topic, and here's a picture from Fiume with original kit shield in detail, showing it's bad shape.
[img]http://i60.tinypic.com/jfx24g.jpg[/img]
Ramaja opted by modify a kit shield and make resin copies for the others, but I hate to work with resin and prefered to modify shields one by one. And here is one of them lacking some details as top and front doors and a rectangular object on front.
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/9lcw2f.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/2rg1fva.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i62.tinypic.com/rjjvjk.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i58.tinypic.com/1pciko.jpg[/img]
A general view on it's kit positions:
[img]http://i61.tinypic.com/amze4g.jpg[/img]
I sanded walls until the correct thickness on rear.
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/28s3aef.jpg[/img]
I'm working too in a new scratch built set of guns, using new tubes from a Pola's set from Master I purchased in my travel. They are better tooled than tubes from Aber I'm using before.
Here a comparation with the original kit gun.
[img]http://i58.tinypic.com/2ztabko.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i60.tinypic.com/2n222cj.jpg[/img]
By the way I'm building too new gun suports with correct triangular shape. Here a comparation with kit suports, lot of details missing here will be added soon on the complete support.
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/x24b3m.jpg[/img]
Some pictures from 100mm/47 OTO 1927 guns I'm using as reference for the scratch build:
[img]http://i58.tinypic.com/2gw72pi.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i62.tinypic.com/a0ij4o.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i60.tinypic.com/2irkwmq.jpg[/img]
Some 100mm/47 guns was exported to Russia before the war and was instaled at Krasnyi Kavkas cruiser, in Russia the gun was knew as "Minizini". Some pictures from "Minizini" I found are better than italian pictures and I'm using they too.
[img]http://i59.tinypic.com/34zefdv.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i59.tinypic.com/10o0lfl.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/2z817k7.jpg[/img]
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:05 pm |
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LE BOSCO wrote: I have the same probleme than you Ricardo with my 1940 Richelieu version  that's why we spend a lot of time on our respective projects cheers nicolas No doubt Nicolas, people who photographed old ships in definitive never had thought about the problems that plastic modellers like us have today.   Best Regards, Ricardo [quote="LE BOSCO"]I have the same probleme than you Ricardo with my 1940 Richelieu version :doh_1: that's why we spend a lot of time on our respective projects :wink:
cheers
nicolas[/quote]
No doubt Nicolas, people who photographed old ships in definitive never had thought about the problems that plastic modellers like us have today. :no_2: :cry_3:
Best Regards,
Ricardo
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:40 pm |
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I have the same probleme than you Ricardo with my 1940 Richelieu version that's why we spend a lot of time on our respective projects cheers nicolas I have the same probleme than you Ricardo with my 1940 Richelieu version :doh_1: that's why we spend a lot of time on our respective projects :wink:
cheers
nicolas
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:16 pm |
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LE BOSCO wrote: HI Ricardo a great research job and a good enforcement on the modifications to bring to your Pola bravo Nicolas Hi Nicolas, Thank you for your kindly words. The great problem on this project is the absence of consistent informations and good pictures from some ship parts. In this case the only way is improvise with the few elements we have in hands. Best Regards, Ricardo [quote="LE BOSCO"]HI Ricardo
a great research job and a good enforcement on the modifications to bring to your Pola :thumbs_up_1:
bravo
Nicolas[/quote]
Hi Nicolas,
Thank you for your kindly words. :thumbs_up_1:
The great problem on this project is the absence of consistent informations and good pictures from some ship parts. In this case the only way is improvise with the few elements we have in hands.
Best Regards,
Ricardo
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:52 pm |
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HI Ricardo a great research job and a good enforcement on the modifications to bring to your Pola bravo Nicolas HI Ricardo
a great research job and a good enforcement on the modifications to bring to your Pola :thumbs_up_1:
bravo
Nicolas
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:07 pm |
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Today arrived too some new parts to be used on this project: A stairs and rails set from Giampiero:  A Breda 37/54mm dual gun set from Giampiero too:  This Trumpeter Roma's set that will have some pieces shared among Roma and Pola too. (It's a Ramaja´s suggestion to me)  And this generic wood deck sheet from Artwox, remembering due some modifications I'm doing on rear deck I can't use the especific Artwox deck for Pola.   Today arrived too some new parts to be used on this project:
A stairs and rails set from Giampiero:
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/6enodt.jpg[/img]
A Breda 37/54mm dual gun set from Giampiero too:
[img]http://i61.tinypic.com/k4turr.jpg[/img]
This Trumpeter Roma's set that will have some pieces shared among Roma and Pola too. (It's a Ramaja´s suggestion to me)
[img]http://i62.tinypic.com/k0knk1.jpg[/img]
And this generic wood deck sheet from Artwox, remembering due some modifications I'm doing on rear deck I can't use the especific Artwox deck for Pola.
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/30xj1xu.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/29ynzbl.jpg[/img]
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:31 pm |
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[img]http://i59.tinypic.com/k4yvcg.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i60.tinypic.com/xf6nq0.jpg[/img]
Comparing with my anterior interpretation, lateral walls now has a angle at door area. It can explain why this narrow platform can acomodate a light projector and the cabin door that appears at some Pola and Zara pictures:
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/5euzv9.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i61.tinypic.com/hvazit.jpg[/img]
Some other progress on this project are the new AA fire directores I'm doing partially based in some Ramaja's drawings and my own observations:
[img]http://i61.tinypic.com/2nvs8k0.jpg[/img]
Now is missing the front plate, the shield in front of the cilinder covers and lateral arms.
[img]http://i58.tinypic.com/2d81ux.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/21lqv86.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i58.tinypic.com/ileji8.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/o93c5l.jpg[/img]
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:12 pm |
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Hi, Work goes slow but don't stopped at Pola. After some discussions with Ramaja about top bridge format at pages 1 and 2, and considering mine or his interpretations don't answered some questions we had from some pictures, I did some new research and I think I now have a definitive answer for they. Projecting some lines on some pictures from Zara and Pola I used before, I observed now some interesting angles I don't was attentive before:       But the answers begun to appear when I found this interesting picture at Cinecitá page:  After some considerations, I concluded this picture was take inside the top cabin. It's easy to see because is the only area at Pola with this windows configuration. The first question this picture is answering is: Yes, this cabin has doors opening to lateral platforms, as we can see in some other pictures I'll post. But for now, projecting lines inside the cabin we can see some strange angles again.  Ramaja had asked me why we don't can see cabin's lateral walls on this picture:  I'm was very curious about this light we can see pointed by the green arrow. But observing the white rectangle pointed by the red arrow, and after to see the inside cabin picture, now we can say it's the cabin door. And the light we saw pointed in green is a sun light throught the open door. But why in this strange position?  We can see the same doors and sunlight at both cabin sides pointed in green and red in this picture:  Looking for a answer for all these questions, I found this old thread here in this forum: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=83409First time I saw this cabin interpretation, I think: "This modeller is mad"!!!  . But now I know he's near correct and part of this interpretation can answer the questions I pointed. And after some measures, I did my own new interpretation based in the observations I did above: Hi,
Work goes slow but don't stopped at Pola.
After some discussions with Ramaja about top bridge format at pages 1 and 2, and considering mine or his interpretations don't answered some questions we had from some pictures, I did some new research and I think I now have a definitive answer for they.
Projecting some lines on some pictures from Zara and Pola I used before, I observed now some interesting angles I don't was attentive before:
[img]http://i58.tinypic.com/15i7ply.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/nl8pzc.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/5v21s4.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i62.tinypic.com/34j6qz5.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i62.tinypic.com/2jb1dw4.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i61.tinypic.com/2m2i81d.jpg[/img]
But the answers begun to appear when I found this interesting picture at Cinecitá page:
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/13yow09.jpg[/img]
After some considerations, I concluded this picture was take inside the top cabin. It's easy to see because is the only area at Pola with this windows configuration.
The first question this picture is answering is: Yes, this cabin has doors opening to lateral platforms, as we can see in some other pictures I'll post. But for now, projecting lines inside the cabin we can see some strange angles again.
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/33ubngp.jpg[/img]
Ramaja had asked me why we don't can see cabin's lateral walls on this picture:
[img]http://i61.tinypic.com/28t6dc.jpg[/img]
I'm was very curious about this light we can see pointed by the green arrow. But observing the white rectangle pointed by the red arrow, and after to see the inside cabin picture, now we can say it's the cabin door. And the light we saw pointed in green is a sun light throught the open door. But why in this strange position?
[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/2vsjaqr.jpg[/img]
We can see the same doors and sunlight at both cabin sides pointed in green and red in this picture:
[img]http://i62.tinypic.com/300wvhg.jpg[/img]
Looking for a answer for all these questions, I found this old thread here in this forum: http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=83409
First time I saw this cabin interpretation, I think: "This modeller is mad"!!! :big_grin:. But now I know he's near correct and part of this interpretation can answer the questions I pointed.
And after some measures, I did my own new interpretation based in the observations I did above:
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:42 pm |
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LE BOSCO wrote: hello Ricardo very nice work that you made he is sure he is on the masterpiece path congrats Cheers Nicolas Thank you too Nicolas! [quote="LE BOSCO"]hello Ricardo
very nice work that you made :thumbs_up_1: he is sure he is on the masterpiece path
congrats
Cheers
Nicolas[/quote]
Thank you too Nicolas! :thumbs_up_1:
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