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The give away for me is when reading the book's description by the different booksellers. When they are different , I assume the books are seperate copies. Like one is listed near fine, some foxing, worn edges. Another may be VG+ owner's name written on the inside cover. etc. etc. Any good bookseller will give details of the book's condition. The less they describe the condition, the less likely I am to buy from them. I did check, and all copies of the 1920s book have disappeared from the seller's listing a copy at the time I bought! But one new listing by a different seller in the UK is up.  Anyone else notice some real drops in prices for used books? There no longer seem to be quite so many people out there with more money than brains! Prices should continue to fall. The used book bubble may have burst!  I mean I used to see copies of Conway's Journal "Warship" with various years listed into the $200 range. Now that is a bubble! Bob B. The give away for me is when reading the book's description by the different booksellers. When they are different , I assume the books are seperate copies. Like one is listed near fine, some foxing, worn edges. Another may be VG+ owner's name written on the inside cover. etc. etc. Any good bookseller will give details of the book's condition. The less they describe the condition, the less likely I am to buy from them.
I did check, and all copies of the 1920s book have disappeared from the seller's listing a copy at the time I bought! But one new listing by a different seller in the UK is up. :wave_1:
Anyone else notice some real drops in prices for used books? There no longer seem to be quite so many people out there with more money than brains! Prices should continue to fall. The used book bubble may have burst! :heh:
I mean I used to see copies of Conway's Journal "Warship" with various years listed into the $200 range. Now that is a bubble!
Bob B.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:41 pm |
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So true. Of course in this case the seller would have had trouble locating other copies for sale: there aren't any! And be aware of spider listers (a.k.a. spider sellers). Those 3 sellers with your 1920s book may well have been listing the same copy, with the $100 seller actually possessing the book and the other two just re-listing it elsewhere. Did you notice whether the other two listings disappeared at the same time you bought the book? Read about spider listers here: http://www.amazonsellercommunity.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=118160For me the most telling quote from the thread is this: Quote: And it is shocking that bookbuyers remain so ignorant of their bookbuying options. More on spider listers here: http://reviews.ebay.com/Smart-Book-Buying-Tips_W0QQugidZ10000000000733299So true. Of course in this case the seller would have had trouble locating other copies for sale: there aren't any!
And be aware of spider listers (a.k.a. spider sellers). Those 3 sellers with your 1920s book may well have been listing the same copy, with the $100 seller actually possessing the book and the other two just re-listing it elsewhere. Did you notice whether the other two listings disappeared at the same time you bought the book?
Read about spider listers here: [url]http://www.amazonsellercommunity.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=118160[/url]
For me the most telling quote from the thread is this:
[quote]And it is shocking that bookbuyers remain so ignorant of their bookbuying options.[/quote]
More on spider listers here: [url]http://reviews.ebay.com/Smart-Book-Buying-Tips_W0QQugidZ10000000000733299[/url]
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:29 pm |
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linux wrote: Both of the Kingsley books turned up on Amazon UK on Friday morning; £32 each, from the same seller. So I snapped them both up. They arrived this morning.  This confirms previous experience that even rare books turn up eventually at a reasonable price. That's been my experience as well. It seems some sellers can't be bothered to do a search and find out what market prices are from other sellers. Looking for a rare copy of one particular book from the 1920s turned up three copies world wide. One for $500 US one for $450 and the last for $100. I chose the $100 copy and it was near mint. It had never been read, as the pages were stiff and clean as 80 years would allow! It always pays to hit every used book site and do a lot of searching. Some amazing bargains can be had. Bob B [quote="linux"]Both of the Kingsley books turned up on Amazon UK on Friday morning; £32 each, from the same seller. So I snapped them both up. They arrived this morning. :big_grin:
This confirms previous experience that even rare books turn up eventually at a reasonable price.[/quote]
That's been my experience as well. It seems some sellers can't be bothered to do a search and find out what market prices are from other sellers. Looking for a rare copy of one particular book from the 1920s turned up three copies world wide. One for $500 US one for $450 and the last for $100. I chose the $100 copy and it was near mint. It had never been read, as the pages were stiff and clean as 80 years would allow! It always pays to hit every used book site and do a lot of searching. Some amazing bargains can be had. :big_grin:
Bob B
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:38 pm |
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Thank you Laurence. And thank heavens for the non-specialist booksellers who sell online!
Thank you Laurence. And thank heavens for the non-specialist booksellers who sell online!
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:29 am |
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That is extremely cheap, well done!
That is extremely cheap, well done!
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:20 am |
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Both of the Kingsley books turned up on Amazon UK on Friday morning; £32 each, from the same seller. So I snapped them both up. They arrived this morning. This confirms previous experience that even rare books turn up eventually at a reasonable price. Both of the Kingsley books turned up on Amazon UK on Friday morning; £32 each, from the same seller. So I snapped them both up. They arrived this morning. :big_grin:
This confirms previous experience that even rare books turn up eventually at a reasonable price.
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:39 am |
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I've added the front cover's of both these Kingsley (ed.) Naval Radar books to Amazon's pages to assist anyone looking for them:
[url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Development-Radar-Equipments-Royal-1935-45/dp/0333612108/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252690066&sr=1-4[/url]
[url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Applications-Radar-Other-Electronic-Systems/dp/0333627482/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252690066&sr=1-3[/url]
Cheers
LB
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:31 pm |
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After much searching and failing to be able to buy either one of these Kingsley Naval Radar Trust volumes from any book dealer in the world, I finally managed to get both through inter-library loan at a cost of £3.50 each....use to be free when I was a post-graduate and only £1 each when an undergraduate student!
Still I think each one would cost £50 2nd-hand to buy, if they could be found so I'm still happy just to get them!
I'll scan in the covers and sent them to Amazon that way it will help more people be aware of these 2 useful titles.
LB
After much searching and failing to be able to buy either one of these Kingsley Naval Radar Trust volumes from any book dealer in the world, I finally managed to get both through inter-library loan at a cost of £3.50 each....use to be free when I was a post-graduate and only £1 each when an undergraduate student!
Still I think each one would cost £50 2nd-hand to buy, if they could be found so I'm still happy just to get them!
I'll scan in the covers and sent them to Amazon that way it will help more people be aware of these 2 useful titles.
LB
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:51 am |
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After waiting months finally a copy of 'F.A. Kingsley (Ed.) for the Naval Radar Trust Radar: The Development of Equipments for the Royal Navy 1935-45. Macmillan Press Ltd. 1995. 476 pages. ISBN 0-333-61210-8' came up for sale last week for £60.75 inc. PnP. While I was negotiating with the seller it sold immediately to someone else! Damn these Kingsley books are rare  LB After waiting months finally a copy of 'F.A. Kingsley (Ed.) for the Naval Radar Trust Radar: The Development of Equipments for the Royal Navy 1935-45. Macmillan Press Ltd. 1995. 476 pages. ISBN 0-333-61210-8' came up for sale last week for £60.75 inc. PnP.
While I was negotiating with the seller it sold immediately to someone else!
Damn these Kingsley books are rare :Mad_6:
LB
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:37 am |
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My local libaray was able to get this in 3 days who saids being nice to libaraians dosn't pay dividends .A. Kingsley (Ed.) for the Naval Radar Trust The Applications of Radar and other Electronic Systems in the Royal Navy in World War 2. Macmillan Press Ltd. 1995 400 pages. ISBN 0-333-62748-2 Graham Murdoch My local libaray was able to get this in 3 days who saids being nice to libaraians dosn't pay dividends :big_grin: :big_grin:
.A. Kingsley (Ed.) for the Naval Radar Trust The Applications of Radar and other Electronic Systems in the Royal Navy in World War 2. Macmillan Press Ltd. 1995 400 pages. ISBN 0-333-62748-2
Graham Murdoch
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:06 am |
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I did something not very naval 'the armaments and munitions industry in Coventry during WWI'.
There will be things published in academic journals, along with my supervisors.
I could publish something on the Coventry Ordnance Works which produced many naval guns between 1910-1921 perhaps, but I wish really to get onto my WW2 naval stuff again.
I did something not very naval 'the armaments and munitions industry in Coventry during WWI'.
There will be things published in academic journals, along with my supervisors.
I could publish something on the Coventry Ordnance Works which produced many naval guns between 1910-1921 perhaps, but I wish really to get onto my WW2 naval stuff again.
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:45 am |
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I've had stuff from the British library loan system before using my local library so that's certainly possible - worth a try.
Is your university naval research going to be published in the future (assuming you did a naval topic for research) ?
Mark
I've had stuff from the British library loan system before using my local library so that's certainly possible - worth a try.
Is your university naval research going to be published in the future (assuming you did a naval topic for research) ?
Mark
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:17 am |
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According to the IWM themselves they hold the largest collection of Military books in Europe all under one roof.
British Library may use a series of stores scattered around the country perhaps? and of course do not have just military.
It is a shame I have finished university now, I use to be able to order anything free-of-charge (journal or book) through inter-university loan from any British university or from the British Museum in about a week.
I wonder if my 2 local libraries have access to the British library inter-library loan capability?
According to the IWM themselves they hold the largest collection of Military books in Europe all under one roof.
British Library may use a series of stores scattered around the country perhaps? and of course do not have just military.
It is a shame I have finished university now, I use to be able to order anything free-of-charge (journal or book) through inter-university loan from any British university or from the British Museum in about a week.
I wonder if my 2 local libraries have access to the British library inter-library loan capability?
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:28 pm |
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Laurence Batchelor wrote: Well they are certainly now added onto my ever expanding wants list pinned to my notice board!
I wonder if I can at least get it by Inter-library loan or in fact they may have copies of one or both at the IWM, as that probably has the largest collection of military books in Europe.
Thank you for bringing them to my attention, if they are as rare as they appear I doubt it would do me much good phoning up all the maritime book dealers in the UK.
Cheers
LB The largest collection is held by the British Museum, NOT the IWM. Try one of the MOD libraries. [quote="Laurence Batchelor"]Well they are certainly now added onto my ever expanding wants list pinned to my notice board!
I wonder if I can at least get it by Inter-library loan or in fact they may have copies of one or both at the IWM, as that probably has the largest collection of military books in Europe.
Thank you for bringing them to my attention, if they are as rare as they appear I doubt it would do me much good phoning up all the maritime book dealers in the UK.
Cheers
LB[/quote]
The largest collection is held by the British Museum, NOT the IWM.
Try one of the MOD libraries.
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:29 am |
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Well they are certainly now added onto my ever expanding wants list pinned to my notice board!
I wonder if I can at least get it by Inter-library loan or in fact they may have copies of one or both at the IWM, as that probably has the largest collection of military books in Europe.
Thank you for bringing them to my attention, if they are as rare as they appear I doubt it would do me much good phoning up all the maritime book dealers in the UK.
Cheers
LB
Well they are certainly now added onto my ever expanding wants list pinned to my notice board!
I wonder if I can at least get it by Inter-library loan or in fact they may have copies of one or both at the IWM, as that probably has the largest collection of military books in Europe.
Thank you for bringing them to my attention, if they are as rare as they appear I doubt it would do me much good phoning up all the maritime book dealers in the UK.
Cheers
LB
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:15 am |
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Hi Laurence
I found the first volume in a secondhand bookshop in Hay on Wye (Richard Booth's Bookshop) where they occasionally have some rarer WWII naval volumes in stock. As I pass through there once every couple of months or so with work I usually drop in to see what they have. They certainly knew how rare the volumes are and promptly charged me £50 for the first volume!
Inter library loan might be possible for the second volume, but I had no luck trying to find it via Macmillan Publishing and their subsidiaries.
Mark
Hi Laurence
I found the first volume in a secondhand bookshop in Hay on Wye (Richard Booth's Bookshop) where they occasionally have some rarer WWII naval volumes in stock. As I pass through there once every couple of months or so with work I usually drop in to see what they have. They certainly knew how rare the volumes are and promptly charged me £50 for the first volume!
Inter library loan might be possible for the second volume, but I had no luck trying to find it via Macmillan Publishing and their subsidiaries.
Mark
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:35 am |
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Dear Mark, I wasn't aware the Naval Radar Trust had produced those 1995 publications. I did find their archival collection deposited at the Churchill archive, Cambridge: http://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD%2FGBR%2F0014%2FNVRThttp://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD%2FGBR%2F0014%2FNVRT%20ASAny idea how one obtains said publications? Did you try an inter-library loan for the 2nd? Did you ever write to Macmillan Press Ltd.? Many thanks Regards Laurence Dear Mark,
I wasn't aware the Naval Radar Trust had produced those 1995 publications.
I did find their archival collection deposited at the Churchill archive, Cambridge:
[url]http://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD%2FGBR%2F0014%2FNVRT[/url]
[url]http://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD%2FGBR%2F0014%2FNVRT%20AS[/url]
Any idea how one obtains said publications?
Did you try an inter-library loan for the 2nd?
Did you ever write to Macmillan Press Ltd.?
Many thanks
Regards
Laurence
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:09 am |
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Hi Laurence
If you are into gathering WWII Radar sources at the moment then you should also look out for copies of the two excellent Macmillan Press Ltd. books edited by F.A. Kingsley for the Naval Radar Trust.
F.A. Kingsley (Ed.) for the Naval Radar Trust Radar: The Development of Equipments for the Royal Navy 1935-45. Macmillan Press Ltd. 1995. 476 pages. ISBN 0-333-61210-8
F.A. Kingsley (Ed.) for the Naval Radar Trust The Applications of Radar and other Electronic Systems in the Royal Navy in World War 2. Macmillan Press Ltd. 1995 400 pages. ISBN 0-333-62748-2
I have a copy of the first one, but the second volume is rarer than golden hens teeth !
Mark
Hi Laurence
If you are into gathering WWII Radar sources at the moment then you should also look out for copies of the two excellent Macmillan Press Ltd. books edited by F.A. Kingsley for the Naval Radar Trust.
F.A. Kingsley (Ed.) for the Naval Radar Trust Radar: The Development of Equipments for the Royal Navy 1935-45. Macmillan Press Ltd. 1995. 476 pages. ISBN 0-333-61210-8
F.A. Kingsley (Ed.) for the Naval Radar Trust The Applications of Radar and other Electronic Systems in the Royal Navy in World War 2. Macmillan Press Ltd. 1995 400 pages. ISBN 0-333-62748-2
I have a copy of the first one, but the second volume is rarer than golden hens teeth !
Mark
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:08 pm |
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Duly copied and printed off. Thank you once again for taking the time to do this for me....more things to read! Happy New Year Laurence Duly copied and printed off.
Thank you once again for taking the time to do this for me....more things to read! :heh:
Happy New Year
Laurence
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:33 pm |
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Laurance
I have now put the Radar Countermeasues articale on to my Photobucket account Hope you find it interesting I certinaly did
graham murdoch
From beauful Waikiki Beach Perth WA
Shark1 Bankmanager 0 a WIN/WIN if ever there was one !!!
Laurance
I have now put the Radar Countermeasues articale on to my Photobucket account Hope you find it interesting I certinaly did
graham murdoch
From beauful Waikiki Beach Perth WA
Shark1 Bankmanager 0 a WIN/WIN if ever there was one !!!
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