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I think that you will find that the colour photo posted by Tracy shows KGV at least two months before the Bismarck action. The location is Halifax which I think she visited twice in March 1941. (Not sure if she also went there in January 1941.)
I think that you will find that the colour photo posted by Tracy shows KGV at least two months before the Bismarck action. The location is Halifax which I think she visited twice in March 1941. (Not sure if she also went there in January 1941.)
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:45 pm |
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It is KGV summer of 1941, ie after Bismarck action. Whilst under construction and trials she wore a 2-tone splinter pattern which was overpainted in AP507B. What you are seeing here is the ship after teh action and lengthy sea-time which has worn off teh AP507B, showing in places underneath the previous colour and the white primer. How you paint it, is to fill out the camo scheme, spray over it in the 507B, then dab thinner on the wet sprayed paint to lift it and show the colour underneath. qv my Ark Royal III http://www.finewaterline.com/images/car ... 283%29.jpg where I used this method. Rob It is KGV summer of 1941, ie after Bismarck action.
Whilst under construction and trials she wore a 2-tone splinter pattern which was overpainted in AP507B.
What you are seeing here is the ship after teh action and lengthy sea-time which has worn off teh AP507B, showing in places underneath the previous colour and the white primer.
How you paint it, is to fill out the camo scheme, spray over it in the 507B, then dab thinner on the wet sprayed paint to lift it and show the colour underneath.
qv my Ark Royal III http://www.finewaterline.com/images/carriers/rkarkroyalIII/rkarkroyalIII%20%283%29.jpg where I used this method.
Rob
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:38 am |
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Thanks for all the info fellas.Thanks for that color photo Tracy.BTW,what are those things hanging above the rafts on the superstructure?Some kind of tarps?Those are molded into the kit I'm building and would allow me to add a bit of color to her.I like detail painting.
Thanks for all the info fellas.Thanks for that color photo Tracy.BTW,what are those things hanging above the rafts on the superstructure?Some kind of tarps?Those are molded into the kit I'm building and would allow me to add a bit of color to her.I like detail painting.
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:56 pm |
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I wasn't suggesting any time period, just posting the photo. RN camouflage and ships are not my specialty.
I wasn't suggesting any time period, just posting the photo. RN camouflage and ships are not my specialty.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:47 pm |
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Tracy, I see your point. It does indeed look like a late war scheme that is badly worn, but the presence of UP mount on B turret indicate an early KGV. Probably no later than summer of 1941. Why can't someone invent a time machine so we could go back and see for ourselves!
Tracy, I see your point. It does indeed look like a late war scheme that is badly worn, but the presence of UP mount on B turret indicate an early KGV. Probably no later than summer of 1941. Why can't someone invent a time machine so we could go back and see for ourselves!
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:33 pm |
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I cannot agree because camouflage shown on the model is late 1944 scheme. It is dfferent timeframe.
I cannot agree because camouflage shown on the model is late 1944 scheme. It is dfferent timeframe.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:41 pm |
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OK, here it is: Attachment: HMS KGV Arriving Halifax CT-280 Cropped.jpg I think what we're seeing here is paint flaking off of this scheme, which is itself flaking off a bit further aft. OK, here it is:
[attachment=0]HMS KGV Arriving Halifax CT-280 Cropped.jpg[/attachment]
I think what we're seeing here is paint flaking off of [url=http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/bb/hms/kgv-350-mg/mg-index.html]this scheme[/url], which is itself flaking off a bit further aft.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:36 pm |
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I have a copy of that I was able to find with that info that I'll post later... it was in a Canadian archive from what I remember.
I have a copy of that I was able to find with that info that I'll post later... it was in a Canadian archive from what I remember.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:05 pm |
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It is my understanding that the camouflage pattern you depict was used by the builder during construction of the ship. The trials were done with this pattern but when the navy took possession of the ship they painted the hull and vertical surfaces grey. Once engaged on operations the new paint quickly wore off revealing portions of the builder's pattern. I'm not sure when the paint job was repaired but it would not have been done until a refit or yard period during the warmer weather of 1941. I believe there is a colour photo of KGV entering Halifax harbour with this beat-up paint scheme in the spring of 1941. The negative number is CT-280.
Paul O'Reilly
It is my understanding that the camouflage pattern you depict was used by the builder during construction of the ship. The trials were done with this pattern but when the navy took possession of the ship they painted the hull and vertical surfaces grey. Once engaged on operations the new paint quickly wore off revealing portions of the builder's pattern. I'm not sure when the paint job was repaired but it would not have been done until a refit or yard period during the warmer weather of 1941. I believe there is a colour photo of KGV entering Halifax harbour with this beat-up paint scheme in the spring of 1941. The negative number is CT-280.
Paul O'Reilly
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:13 pm |
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Tigerfish wrote: You're not the only one to carefully follow the instructions... Attachment: stb.jpg Attachment: port.jpg Hmm, I have to say that I am a recent subscriber to the view that the instructions are in error and the scheme is a result of misinterpreting photos of weathered ships, rather than anything else. Photos on p287 and 397 of R&R I think are sufficient cause to be suspicious of this scheme. That said it does look rather nifty and is not a million miles away from her appearance in 1940 photographs. [quote="Tigerfish"]You're not the only one to carefully follow the instructions...
[attachment=1]stb.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=0]port.jpg[/attachment][/quote]
Hmm, I have to say that I am a recent subscriber to the view that the instructions are in error and the scheme is a result of misinterpreting photos of weathered ships, rather than anything else. Photos on p287 and 397 of R&R I think are sufficient cause to be suspicious of this scheme.
That said it does look rather nifty and is not a million miles away from her appearance in 1940 photographs.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:49 pm |
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Thanks for confirming this scheme Tigerfish.It's my intention to replicate it in 1/350 as well.
Very nice job on your KGV.
Thanks for confirming this scheme Tigerfish.It's my intention to replicate it in 1/350 as well.
Very nice job on your KGV.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:49 pm |
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You're not the only one to carefully follow the instructions... Attachment: stb.jpg Attachment: port.jpg You're not the only one to carefully follow the instructions...
[attachment=1]stb.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=0]port.jpg[/attachment]
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:19 am |
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These pictures come from Warship 11 (1979), Robert Dumas part 3 series on KGV battleships.
It shows KGV camo she weared from Dec 1940 to Feb 1941. Colors used were 507A, 507B and 507C. Author noted that paints were flaking off coparatively quickly, probably due to poor preparation. Anyway it matches quite well camo scheme from a model.
Hope this helps somehow...
Cheers,
Damian
These pictures come from Warship 11 (1979), Robert Dumas part 3 series on KGV battleships.
It shows KGV camo she weared from Dec 1940 to Feb 1941. Colors used were 507A, 507B and 507C. Author noted that paints were flaking off coparatively quickly, probably due to poor preparation. Anyway it matches quite well camo scheme from a model.
Hope this helps somehow...
Cheers,
Damian
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:35 pm |
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I'll finish it off as best I can and maybe beat it up some more.
I'll finish it off as best I can and maybe beat it up some more.
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:39 pm |
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Well, you pulled it off well, I would say!  Well, you pulled it off well, I would say! :big_grin:
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:16 pm |
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That's it! I think I've wasted a lot of time and effort with this!  That's it!
I think I've wasted a lot of time and effort with this!
[img]http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo309/TI4438/Ships/011-3.jpg[/img]
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:59 pm |
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AHh yes, that's why I couldn't find it earlier... wrong ship!
http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/great_britain/battleships/prince_of_wales/hms_prince_of_wales_06.JPG
on http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/great_britain/battleships/prince_of_wales/hms_prince_of_wales.htm
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:04 pm |
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I believe you may be correct!
I did find a pic of a heavily weathered Prince of Wales.It was a photo of her port side and it looked remarkably similar to this.
I believe you may be correct!
I did find a pic of a heavily weathered Prince of Wales.It was a photo of her port side and it looked remarkably similar to this.
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:49 pm |
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I'm not an expert but that looks vaguely familiar... I think it was just a really weathered ship and not a "scheme;" the actual top coat had peeled in several areas revealing the old scheme underneath.
I'm not an expert but that looks vaguely familiar... I think it was just a really weathered ship and not a "scheme;" the actual top coat had peeled in several areas revealing the old scheme underneath.
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:19 am |
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I haven't found any reference photos for this scheme and have only come across one modeler that attempted it.Is it inaccurate or just not very popular?  I haven't found any reference photos for this scheme and have only come across one modeler that attempted it.Is it inaccurate or just not very popular?
[img]http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo309/TI4438/Ships/007-4.jpg[/img]
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:03 pm |
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