Although I would rate the guy on the card a normal seaman
And here is Mr. William Rivers, born 1755, died 1817, he was the gunner on board the Victory from 1790 up to 1812.
This was his career: Triumph / Gunner 27-02-1781 bis 17-12-1781 Conquistatador / Able Seaman 12-03-1782 bis 29-07-1782 Triumph / ? 14-10-1782 bis 09-12-1782 Triumph / Gunner 10-12-1782 bis 30-11-1787 Barfleur / Gunner 01-12-1787 bis 30-05-1790 Victory / Gunner 31-05-1790 bis 25-01-1812
Battles, all on Victory: Battle of Hyeres 13-07-1795 2te Schlacht von Cap St. Vincent 14-02-1797 Trafalgar 21-10-1805
He lived for 22 years in the starboard aft "cabin" of the gun room.Here we see him leaving his bunk.
This was his career: Triumph / Gunner 27-02-1781 bis 17-12-1781 Conquistatador / Able Seaman 12-03-1782 bis 29-07-1782 Triumph / ? 14-10-1782 bis 09-12-1782 Triumph / Gunner 10-12-1782 bis 30-11-1787 Barfleur / Gunner 01-12-1787 bis 30-05-1790 Victory / Gunner 31-05-1790 bis 25-01-1812
Battles, all on Victory: Battle of Hyeres 13-07-1795 2te Schlacht von Cap St. Vincent 14-02-1797 Trafalgar 21-10-1805
He lived for 22 years in the starboard aft "cabin" of the gun room.Here we see him leaving his bunk.
Here is a nice recollection of the duties of a gunner. https://ore.exeter.ac.uk/repository/bitstream/handle/10036/3762/95(3)Cole.pdf?sequence=19
XXXDAn
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2024 9:43 am
Iceman 29
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"The Gunner in Nelson's Navy:
The man responsible for keeping the ship battle-ready was the “gunner.” He belonged to the corps of warrant officers, which also included the carpenter, purser, and boatswain. These officers operated under a warrant, as opposed to the “commission” held by higher-ranked officers. The gunner, like the other warrant officers, was appointed by the Navy Board.
His primary responsibility, as the title suggests, was managing the ship’s ordnance. Gunners were usually former petty officers or able seamen who had risen through the ranks by demonstrating their capabilities, although exceptions existed, with some gunners being former midshipmen."
Heart of Oak. HMWarships.
A gunner aboard HMS Victory. Source: hippostcard.com
"The Gunner in Nelson's Navy:
The man responsible for keeping the ship battle-ready was the “gunner.” He belonged to the corps of warrant officers, which also included the carpenter, purser, and boatswain. These officers operated under a warrant, as opposed to the “commission” held by higher-ranked officers. The gunner, like the other warrant officers, was appointed by the Navy Board.
His primary responsibility, as the title suggests, was managing the ship’s ordnance. Gunners were usually former petty officers or able seamen who had risen through the ranks by demonstrating their capabilities, although exceptions existed, with some gunners being former midshipmen."
Heart of Oak. HMWarships.
A gunner aboard HMS Victory. Source: hippostcard.com [url=https://postimages.org/][img]https://i.postimg.cc/KY89sBxL/image.jpg[/img][/url]
I've read almost all the novels by Cecil Scott Forester , Alexander Kent, and of course Patrick O'Brian. This visit was the culmination of all these adventures, many of them tragic. During my visit, I immersed myself in all these stories, which were very close to the reality of the period.
You're welcome Dan. If it helps..
I've read almost all the novels by Cecil Scott Forester , Alexander Kent, and of course Patrick O'Brian. This visit was the culmination of all these adventures, many of them tragic. During my visit, I immersed myself in all these stories, which were very close to the reality of the period.
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 1:03 pm
Dan K
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Wow. Thank you for posting these, Pascal.
Wow. Thank you for posting these, Pascal. :thumbs_up_1:
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 6:23 pm
Iceman 29
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Some additional photos taken by my wife.
Then the visit came to an unhappy end - I'd have stayed for hours if I'd been alone! But we'll be going back for sure, now that the work is finished and it's back to full mast.
Then the visit came to an unhappy end - I'd have stayed for hours if I'd been alone! But we'll be going back for sure, now that the work is finished and it's back to full mast.
I had the great pleasure of visiting the Victory undergoing restoration in September 2015 in her dry dock, the ship was in great need, the percentage of authentic pieces decreasing from decade to decade as the work required to keep her in good condition.
I recommend this visit if you're passionate about this type of ship. Luckily, the weather was fine, so I was able to take some photos inside without flash.
I think these images will be useful to some.
Let's get to the pictures:
I had the great pleasure of visiting the Victory undergoing restoration in September 2015 in her dry dock, the ship was in great need, the percentage of authentic pieces decreasing from decade to decade as the work required to keep her in good condition.
I recommend this visit if you're passionate about this type of ship. Luckily, the weather was fine, so I was able to take some photos inside without flash.
And that color was in combination with "graphite grey" (e.g. very dark grey), not with the pure black.
66misos
Sorry to take so long in responding. Your post helps a lot. I'll start with Tamiya XF15 and tweak it a bit to better match photos.
Cheers!
[quote="66misos"]Hi,
Hope this link will help you [url]https://modelshipworld.com/topic/17225-hms-victory-2017-re-fit-colours/[/url]. They tried to solve the same problem...From [url]https://modelshipworld.com/topic/15934-victorys-pinkish-paint-scheme-and-an-update/[/url] "Andrew Baines, the head of historic ships at the museum, said: "We are calling it Victory Hull Ochre. It varies in different light, but I believe it is close to a pale terracotta colour."
And that color was in combination with "graphite grey" (e.g. very dark grey), not with the pure black.
66misos[/quote] Sorry to take so long in responding. Your post helps a lot. I'll start with Tamiya XF15 and tweak it a bit to better match photos.
Cheers!
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:08 am
Iceman 29
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HMS Victory conservation project to spend £35m on renovation:
A £35 million conservation project to renovate HMS Victory including replacing rotting planks has been announced on the 100th anniversary of the warship being brought into dry dock.
Vice-Admiral Lord Nelson’s flagship was brought into dry dock 2 at Portsmouth Historic Dockyard 100 years ago, where it has remained as the world’s oldest commissioned warship and the flagship of the First Sea Lord and Chief of the Naval Staff.......
HMS Victory conservation project to spend £35m on renovation:
A £35 million conservation project to renovate HMS Victory including replacing rotting planks has been announced on the 100th anniversary of the warship being brought into dry dock.
Vice-Admiral Lord Nelson’s flagship was brought into dry dock 2 at Portsmouth Historic Dockyard 100 years ago, where it has remained as the world’s oldest commissioned warship and the flagship of the First Sea Lord and Chief of the Naval Staff.......
And that color was in combination with "graphite grey" (e.g. very dark grey), not with the pure black.
66misos
Hi,
Hope this link will help you [url]https://modelshipworld.com/topic/17225-hms-victory-2017-re-fit-colours/[/url]. They tried to solve the same problem.
Sample from that link: [img]https://modelshipworld.com/uploads/monthly_2017_11/5a1997114e25b_hmsvictorypaint.thumb.jpg.da870af55b736c1ae017b9318fa60457.jpg[/img]
From [url]https://modelshipworld.com/topic/15934-victorys-pinkish-paint-scheme-and-an-update/[/url] "Andrew Baines, the head of historic ships at the museum, said: "We are calling it Victory Hull Ochre. It varies in different light, but I believe it is close to a pale terracotta colour."
And that color was in combination with "graphite grey" (e.g. very dark grey), not with the pure black.
66misos
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:15 am
ModelMonkey
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Any suggestions for an off-the-shelf bottle or tin of model paint that reasonably matches the new (original) "cream-pink-orange" color?
If not, any suggestions on a mix?
Any suggestions for an off-the-shelf bottle or tin of model paint that reasonably matches the new (original) "cream-pink-orange" color?
If not, any suggestions on a mix?
Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:57 pm
Iceman 29
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Victorian coin found after 127 years under the mast of Nelson’s flagship HMS Victory 21 October 2021.
A coin placed under the mast of Nelson’s flagship HMS Victory and discovered in perfect condition 127 years later goes on show today as part of Trafalgar Day commemorations. The farthing – worth ¼ pence when issued in 1894 under the reign of Queen Victoria – was uncovered in the base plate of the 32-metre, 26-tonne mast section which was temporarily removed from Victory as part of the latest phase of her restoration.
The coin goes on display in the National Museum of the Royal Navy’s newest gallery – HMS Victory: The Nation’s Flagship, which charts the history of Britain’s most famous warship and those who served in her.
The tradition of placing coins under their ship masts may date back to Roman times – although it’s not practised by today’s shipbuilders.
This particular coin was put in place when rotten Douglas fir masts on Victory installed in the 1850s were replaced by ones taken from HMS Shah in 1894.
The Head of Conservation at the National Museum of the Royal Navy, Diana Davis, found it when she was examining the base plate, once the mast had been lifted out.....
Victorian coin found after 127 years under the mast of Nelson’s flagship HMS Victory 21 October 2021.
A coin placed under the mast of Nelson’s flagship HMS Victory and discovered in perfect condition 127 years later goes on show today as part of Trafalgar Day commemorations. The farthing – worth ¼ pence when issued in 1894 under the reign of Queen Victoria – was uncovered in the base plate of the 32-metre, 26-tonne mast section which was temporarily removed from Victory as part of the latest phase of her restoration.
The coin goes on display in the National Museum of the Royal Navy’s newest gallery – HMS Victory: The Nation’s Flagship, which charts the history of Britain’s most famous warship and those who served in her.
The tradition of placing coins under their ship masts may date back to Roman times – although it’s not practised by today’s shipbuilders.
This particular coin was put in place when rotten Douglas fir masts on Victory installed in the 1850s were replaced by ones taken from HMS Shah in 1894.
The Head of Conservation at the National Museum of the Royal Navy, Diana Davis, found it when she was examining the base plate, once the mast had been lifted out.....
More here: https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2021/october/21/211021-hms-victory-coin
Screenshots from the youtube video about new Victory's colors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmNXRWtQ-P0. On the first picture note the difference between original "traditional" yellow on the right and "new" cream-pink-orange on the left.
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Screenshots from the youtube video about new Victory's colors [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmNXRWtQ-P0[/url]. On the first picture note the difference between original "traditional" yellow on the right and "new" cream-pink-orange on the left.
"Victory was painted in bands of graphite grey and a colour that ranges from a creamy-orange to almost salmon pink in certain lights." So not black and yellow.
Pretty ugly looking to. When I finally get to build mine I think I will follow what the period artwork portrayed the ship as, as it looks more like the “idealized” image of the ship that we have in our collective heads.
[quote="66misos"]Interesting info about HMS Victory colors at [url]http://www.hms-victory.com/restoration-log/hms-victory-repainted-battle-trafalgar-colours[/url] during Trafalgar battle:
[i]"Victory was painted in bands of graphite grey and a colour that ranges from a creamy-orange to almost salmon pink in certain lights."[/i] So not black and yellow.[/quote]
Pretty ugly looking to. When I finally get to build mine I think I will follow what the period artwork portrayed the ship as, as it looks more like the “idealized” image of the ship that we have in our collective heads.
"Victory was painted in bands of graphite grey and a colour that ranges from a creamy-orange to almost salmon pink in certain lights." So not black and yellow.
Interesting info about HMS Victory colors at [url]http://www.hms-victory.com/restoration-log/hms-victory-repainted-battle-trafalgar-colours[/url] during Trafalgar battle:
[i]"Victory was painted in bands of graphite grey and a colour that ranges from a creamy-orange to almost salmon pink in certain lights."[/i] So not black and yellow.
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:04 pm
Thomas E. Johnson
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Beautiful build!!!!
Beautiful build!!!! :thumbs_up_1:
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:53 pm
Bill Livingston
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From the same trip with Martin... Nelson...
His face was reconstructed from a mask he had made shortly before he was killed. Originally it was thought to be a death mask, but it was confirmed later that it was a 'living' wax mask and he actually sat for it... it appears he was quite a vain man, despite being universally loved. They also used some information from a profile sketch that was done for another 'suitor', which he claimed was the closest likeness he had seen (many of his portraits were 'enhanced' to convey whatever image of him the artist wanted to convey). This means that this waxwork is probably the most accurate picture of Nelson we will ever get.
That 'suitor' wasn't Lady Hamilton by the way... it seems our Nelson was a bit of a 'ladies man'... He was surprisingly small, but apparently well loved by his men (as well as a myriad of ladies, by the sound of it!), and far from being a 'cabin' Admiral, he fought alongside them on his deck and was noted as being brave, daring and yet considerate to his crews and captains.
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I will post a few more from Victory when I have finished editing them...
From the same trip with Martin... Nelson...
His face was reconstructed from a mask he had made shortly before he was killed. Originally it was thought to be a death mask, but it was confirmed later that it was a 'living' wax mask and he actually sat for it... it appears he was quite a vain man, despite being universally loved. They also used some information from a profile sketch that was done for another 'suitor', which he claimed was the closest likeness he had seen (many of his portraits were 'enhanced' to convey whatever image of him the artist wanted to convey). This means that this waxwork is probably the most accurate picture of Nelson we will ever get.
That 'suitor' wasn't Lady Hamilton by the way... it seems our Nelson was a bit of a 'ladies man'... He was surprisingly small, but apparently well loved by his men (as well as a myriad of ladies, by the sound of it!), and far from being a 'cabin' Admiral, he fought alongside them on his deck and was noted as being brave, daring and yet considerate to his crews and captains.
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I will post a few more from Victory when I have finished editing them...
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