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Topic review - 1/32 USS Keokuk (1863) RC Live Steam
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  Post subject:  Re: 1/32 USS Keokuk (1863) RC Live Steam  Reply with quote
Thanks Aop.
Post Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:40 am
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This is an impressive project! Love the engine works! You seem to be able to build anything out of magic! :thumbs_up_1:

Regards,
Aop
Post Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:04 pm
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JIM BAUMANN wrote:
Hi Glen-- Jim B 'ere...

from my small scale ship model world....

( who also has a business that makes marine canvas canopies and covers for a living )

Any fabric would have too coarse a weave--and any sewing would be way to coarse / overscale - in my view

Now then... paper will work well-- But I it must be waterproofed

I waterproof paper for all sorts of model applications by infusing with very runny CA
this makes it strong and light-- holds its hgape perfectly but importantly is impervious to moisture

have a look here at dafi's sail-panel making in linen colours

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=99050&start=600#p710940


and my small scale 1/400 result's on a sailing ship

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm


HTH

JIM B


That's beautiful work, Jim! I will no doubt fall short of your results but it's worth a try. I was going to make some practice sets out of paper anyhow.
Thanks
Glen
Post Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:22 pm
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Thanks Neptune, encouragement is a big help!
Post Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:57 am
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Hi Glen,

Just wanted to say how happy I am that there is still life in this topic and work being done on the model. I've followed it from the beginning and was a bit sad to see it end as one of those never-to-be-finished models.
Hope to see some progress soon! Good luck with the canvas selection. :woo_hoo:
Post Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:29 am
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Hi Glen-- Jim B 'ere...

from my small scale ship model world....

( who also has a business that makes marine canvas canopies and covers for a living )

Any fabric would have too coarse a weave--and any sewing would be way to coarse / overscale - in my view

Now then... paper will work well-- But I it must be waterproofed

I waterproof paper for all sorts of model applications by infusing with very runny CA
this makes it strong and light-- holds its hgape perfectly but importantly is impervious to moisture

have a look here at dafi's sail-panel making in linen colours

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=99050&start=600#p710940


and my small scale 1/400 result's on a sailing ship

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm


HTH

JIM B
Post Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:53 am
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Thanks Nino. I thought about paper but I think the weave would be obvious in 1/32 scale, so maybe a very light doped linen. Also since this is going to get wet a lot, paper would probably not be durable enough.

Happy New Year to you too!
Glen
Post Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:07 pm
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Glen the Rotorhead wrote:
Happy to report that I am now retired and plan to have Keokuk finished in time for the 2018 Weak Signals show. I could use some help with somebody sewing the canvas turret awnings for me. Anyone know of a source? Basically a couple canvas circles made of pie slices sewn together.


I have no source for cloth Awnings but have you thought of using paper? I guess it should be thin enough to show "Light" thru it. Some builders swear by Silk span. I like the light tan paper that comes in shoe boxes. At this scale I suppose you could fold over an edge to look like a seam. Although sewing these together, especially the seam on the curved side, is problematic,
Nino

P.S. Happy New Year Glen.
Post Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:07 pm
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Glen,
It's good to see you back.

Add a few more pictures of your model if you can. I'm sure there are dozens of folks who will get interested in this New Year.

Your last Picture of the Keokuk's upper works showed the Deck and confirmed my belief that it was Iron plate. That old Flagship1/192 kit shows what appears to be wooden beams for the deck.
I am following this Build closely to hopefully make as many corrections to my Verlinden 1/200 Keokuk as is possible.

Thanks. Terrific work and excellent Research!
Nino
Post Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:51 pm
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Good point Devin! I had talked to her about doing them, say, THREE years ago??? Since then I have been building nothing but drones for work to hang in the lobbies. I need to check in with them both.
Thanks and Happy New Year!
Post Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:13 am
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William at Cottage Industry Models has fabric sails and the like, so he could probably be of help.
Post Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:37 am
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Happy to report that I am now retired and plan to have Keokuk finished in time for the 2018 Weak Signals show. I could use some help with somebody sewing the canvas turret awnings for me. Anyone know of a source? Basically a couple canvas circles made of pie slices sewn together.
Post Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:07 am
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Glen the Rotorhead wrote:
Thanks for the kind words Nino. I am not finished yet: just got moved into our retirement home and got the shop up and running. I plan to complete it over the winter and get it launched in the spring. Stay tuned!


Say, you've got a Ram on this thing. You don't need to wait for Spring. Break that ice!

I will stay tuned!

Nino ( Jim)
Post Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:10 pm
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Wow, this is just incredible work. Very good job.
Post Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:26 pm
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YOU BET I WILL!

I have mentioned your build to some of the Folks at Fine Scale Modelers.
If okay with you I would like to add a link to your build here.

Again, WOW!

Nino.
Post Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:16 pm
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Thanks for the kind words Nino. I am not finished yet: just got moved into our retirement home and got the shop up and running. I plan to complete it over the winter and get it launched in the spring. Stay tuned!
Post Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:08 pm
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I was a bit late seeing this Post.
A great topic and fantastic build. I was hoping there would be more with some Pics of the competed ship.
However...

Now that I have just latched on to this “Best Topic Ever”, I have a few belated comments.

Glen,

Your Research and postings on the actual Ships Construction and appearance is OUTSTANDING!
Ie: “Keokuk's armor bands were of course 36" wide and coincided with the frame spacing, for a total of ~51 armor bands.”
And such details:
“…there is a lot of confusion about Keokuk's armor and I will probably fail at describing it here, but I will try. The inner hull was two layers of overlapping 1/2" iron plate. For the armored areas, alternating 1" x 4" wood and iron stringers were applied edgewise and longitudinally, i.e., running the length of the hull casemates and the circumferences of the turrets. Then there was a 1-1/2" thick outer skin made up of three layers of overlapping 1/2" iron plates. Total armored hull thickness was 5-3/4". The original design called for Keokuk's carriage bolts (often mistaken for rivets) to be ground flat. Whether this expensive and time-consuming task was actually performed on a grossly cost-overrun and late-to-be-delivered ship is open to debate until someone dives on the wreck and looks.”

And History I did not know:

“As for criticisms of the armor, Keokuk took over 90 hits in less than 30 minutes with only minor injuries to the crew and no fatalities. This ship would have been a formidable opponent in a surface engagement, but unfortunately never got the chance to prove it.”

Needless to say, A Terrific Build. Can’t wait for the “ Movie”.

Thanks.
Nino

P.S. My skills limit me to a Verlinden 1/200 scale Keokuk. These postings helped show me the error on the Lone Star/Flagship 1/192 Keokuk. (They seem to show the deck with wood planking where it should be Iron plates.)

P.P.S. “More Steam!”
Post Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:15 am
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Starting to hang the whaleboats on the davits. Note the amount of line, which is correct for Keokuk. Lots of ship models have ship handling tackle that is way too short because the builder didn't do the math: for a double and single block combination, you need four runs of line that reach from the tops of the davits to the lifting eyes of the boat when it is in the water: three lines for the blocks and the fourth for the crew. For Keokuk that works out to roughly 60 feet. Clearly that amount of line won't hang on the cleats, so I checked period photos and found that on Kearsarge they stowed the extra line in the boats. On Galena they let the line hang down the davit from the cleat and looped it around the base. Since Keokuk had such a low freeboard and sloping sides, I suspect they would have stowed the lines in the boats to help keep them dry. It's also safe to assume that for inspection they would have been neatly coiled to some degree, but in actual service they were probably just tossed in.

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:50 pm
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Nice looking work. Love the green of the gun carriage.

One tip for getting rid of the "bug eyes" in figures: don't use white in the eyes, just do the iris and pupil, leave the rest of the eye socket in flesh tone. (a tip from figure modeler extraordinaire Shepard Paine).
Post Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:07 pm
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A couple Dahlgren pictures I thought I had posted, but hadn't. Forward gun deck nearly complete - sailor needs to be a little less bug-eyed :shock:

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Test fire of the aft Dahlgren using 25 grains of FF powder and wadding. I have yet to fire a ball out of it. With just wadding the recoil was 6".

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And if you think firing the little Dahlgren is cool, you should see the Big Dog bark! 1/16 scale (.69 caliber / 110 grains) compared to 1/32 (.32 caliber / 15 grains). The 1/16 barrel weighs 5 pounds:

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Post Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:02 pm

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