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Topic review - 1/350 HMS Lion never built battleship (design 1938.)
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Captain Morgan wrote:
Nice work, If you complete the Lion 3D work would you be interested in selling the hull/Superstructure on Shapeways?

I'm sure you'd find buyers.

The 1/700 parts will be made into a resin kit, so they won't be available on our shop. In 1/350 scale, however, we already have a few parts on Shapeways, and will be adding more as we progress. Here is the latest turret design made in Fusion 360, using the new NMM drawings and dozens of photos of the KGV class. The design was extremely lagging at the final stages, probably from the design's complexity, or some sort of glitch, so finishing it was painstakingly difficult and time-consuming... :dead: :dead:

Here are some renders of the three turrets, as assembled and painted:

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The mount design is being finalised, and will allow the barrels to independently elevate -3° down and 45° degrees up.

The base price Shapeways calculated for the set is a bit high, despite our efforts to reduce material volume. We'll see how it might be solved...

Aur
Post Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:25 am
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Nice work, If you complete the Lion 3D work would you be interested in selling the hull/Superstructure on Shapeways?

I'm sure you'd find buyers.
Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 12:26 pm
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Thanks for looking in and commenting, Phil!

I certainly remember the rule, but I was simply carried away with all the wonders and awesomeness when each part and detail emerge, just when the screen turns "white."

Nevertheless, something much more terrible happened when my mother was driving and braked hard, and my computer with the flashdrive still plugged in fell. The flashdrive broke in two and started losing data! I just had to search on the net to find that typing "*" could restore information history! I was on the edge of losing all my Lion references!

3D modeling is quite a challenge, especially for beginners (or shall I say self-taught, as it's been a few years since I have picked up 3D!) like me. The complex geometry of the hull is very difficult, as you have already mentioned in your step-by-step e-mail message, which I really appreciate you taking the time to write! Also many thanks to the available YouTube videos out there which tremendously helped me starting off confidently with the new software. There is still a problem with the bow area, as one could see a very faint line seperating the foremost bow portion from the rest of the hull. I drew all the cross sections and lofted them together, but the software did not allow lofting the entire hull in one, so I had to make a seperate bow piece, which resulted in the very slight uneven joint. I will try to fix it, but if all else fails (due to my still-very-amateurish skill!) I will export the file in stl and open in Autodesk Meshmixer to correct the issue by "sculpting"! :big_grin: :heh:

Aop
Post Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:11 pm
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You are learning the CAD program quickly! However, the first rule of CAD design is:

Save early and save often!

I save the drawing just about every time I have to stop and consider the next step. That way I don't lose much if something fails. Of course, I always do this except for the really long work session just before the machine crashes!

Phil
Post Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:38 pm
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More progress on the Lion today... I actually adjusted a few other spots here and there as well as adding dozens of portholes, but the software somehow froze and I was redirected to the sign-in menu! Quite a wasted effort! :mad_1:

All the structures are still in their preliminary shapes. I decided not to import old superstructure pieces that I created in 123D design for the reasons that I bought a new drawing from NMM and the new software is much faster to work with as you can import pictures and trace lines on the drawings. is much faster as you can The catapult was drawn from the NMM drawings, as well as PRDobson's 3D KGV pics (Thanks Paul!) and photos of the real ship herself. The masts still need to be corrected using Garzke and Dulin book and KGV photos as a reference, as the NMM drawings only provide a few basic lines.

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My brother Aur is picking up the turrets design from where I left off, so....more to come! :big_grin: :big_grin:

Aop
Post Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:46 am
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I have made some further progress to the bow area forward of the first breakwater, using photos of the KGV class as a reference. The anchor hawse pipes required a new designing technique, similar to car headlights in tutorial videos. More details will be added later..... Enjoy the pics! :cool_1:

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:wave_1: Regards,
Aop
Post Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:34 pm
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Here is the "A" turret underway based on new references from NMM. I'm experimenting the lighting and rendering with the new software...so now the turret sits on a dry lakebed at dusk with a lamp on! :cool_1:

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Aop
Post Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:21 am
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Hello everyone,

It's been some time since I posted my progress. I decided to stop working on the scratch-build 1/700 Lion hull as I discovered a new software made by Autodesk called Fusion 360. The old 123D Design software I have been using was also created by Autodesk, but is no-match in terms of CAD capability in comparison to Fusion 360.
Here you can find the post that discusses the differences between the softwares (as well as Autodesk's other software Tinkercad.)

From the post:
123D Design vs Fusion 360
Being more of a simplified Fusion 360 than an improved Tinkercad software, 123D Design can almost get a bit annoying to work with if you’re used to Fusion (or other larger CAD programs, we have to assume). In Tinkercad you’re so blatantly aware of your major limitations that every feature is a godsend, but in 123D Design there are all these smaller and more subtle limitations which you discover after a while which can almost give you a bit of a headache.

Let’s talk about the major differences first. In 123D Design you don’t have the render, sculpt or CAM modules (among several others), which you all find in Fusion. The browser is not present in 123D Design where you in Fusion have a good overview and management over each instance (components, bodies, sketches and so on). This is essential to have if your assembly consists of several components and extremely convenient to have regardless of the assembly size. You also don’t have anything close to the “capture history”/parametric modelling feature in 123D Design which you have in Fusion. All of the movement, joint and animation-related features are left out of 123D Design as well.


I would like to add that the 123D Design software is not capable of handling complex designs, and barely manages a propeller, so a hull is out of the question.

Fusion 360 is not a free software. The price for subscription is $40 monthly and $300 yearly. Fortunately, you can subscribe for a free license if you are a small business making less than $100,000 per year (or equivalent), or a hobbyist using Fusion 360 for non-commercial purposes. I know very well that I would make only a few hundred bucks or even less per year from the software, so with these being said, I downloaded the new software right away.

After considerable struggles, I managed to finally create a good-looking waterline hull. The reason for the waterline option is that we and Richard Harden have agreed to make the kit a waterline version, saving me from the fact that I have not figured out how to design the lower hull! :rolf_3: :lol_1: Reasonably, the lower part proved to be much more problematic as the curves are much more complex, let alone features like the rudder skeg and axis, bilge keel, etc. Another factor is that even the National Maritime Museum's hull line drawing isn't 100% accurate for the reason that it was hand-drawn, so several areas had to be modified, and even redrawn, to make each line of the whole structure conform to the same resulting shape.

Here are pictures of the hull, still in process.

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I would need to make a lot more tweaking, which I still haven't figured out how to do yet! Quite a steep learning curve! :big_grin: :big_grin:

Regards,
Aop
Post Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:39 am
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looking good.

Keep show us your progress!

화이팅! ㅎ
Post Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:21 pm
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DavidP wrote:
the skinning then the armour belt.

As you can see, we've already made the armour belt out of putty with the guide of the plastic frames, so this should be okay as well.

Thanks for the comments. :wave_1:

Aop
Post Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:31 pm
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Looks like we'ved missed a few comments...

Goodwood wrote:
Renaissance Men, to be certain. :big_grin:

Thank you for the kind words! :big_grin:

EJFoeth wrote:
I can barely manage Brahms opus 118 #2... :big_grin: Paganini variations... ayayay... best of luck with that :thumbs_up_1: I really like Kissin's version (who doesn't like Kissin...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EIE78D0m1g


Forgot to mention your comment! The opus 118 you are playing is such a beautiful piece! Kissin is an extremely talented pianist; there is a recording of Brahms variations, of which he played at a very high speed and precision!

Indeed the Brahms Variations are very difficult...quite a rare case for Brahms. If we have the chance to (play well enough? :big_grin: ) and record these, we will post them here!

Aop
Post Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:23 pm
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the skinning then the armour belt.
Post Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:17 pm
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DavidP wrote:
as no fancy hull curves, you have clad each side of the hull with 1 strip of plastic.

Were you referring to the armour belts on the sides, or the skinning?

We have filled all the gaps with MagicSculpt and let it dry completely. This photo taken a few days earlier shows the very rough surface before shaping:

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Once it dried, we carefully separated the model from the clear acrylic base (previously fixed onto with removable spray glue), and started sanding. These pictures were taken after further filling and refining.

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Of course, a lot more refinements will need to be done to achieve the beautiful, streamlined curves of the ship!

Aop & Aur
Post Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:15 pm
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as no fancy hull curves, you have clad each side of the hull with 1 strip of plastic.
Post Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:10 pm
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The models look really cute in the tub! :puppy_eyes: :big_grin:
It would certainly be interesting to see it in an RC version! :thumbs_up_1:

We have submitted our pre-screening materials to the university, so all we could do right now is wait for the news, and practise hard! If all goes well, we would be performing in a live audition in early January, which would be the final step of the admission consideration. USA and Thailand are so far apart it took us 28 hours and 46 minutes for the entire journey! :faint: :faint:

We requested a set of boats specifically for the 1/350 Lion from Micro Master, and we have to say the quality is superb! Lots of thanks to him for his exquisite designs! Here is a picture after a bit of clean-up:

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We would have the chance to post a lot more photos once we get down to refining and painting these, but that would be some time later.

Some further progress of the 1/700 Lion hull was made. Inspired by Marijn's excellent work on his 1/700 IJN Amagi's lower hull, we started filling the compartments with MagicSculpt putty, and it is very easy to work with. Once clay A and B are equally mixed, the curing process is activated. After the clay was roughly filled into the gaps, we used a flat piece of plastic to smooth out the surface with water. Here is a photo before filling, just to show the complexity of the final keel construction:

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This is how it looks currently:

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A lot of sanding and refining is needed to be done, but it wouldn't be difficult with a putty as magical as MagicSculpt!

Cheers!
Aop & Aur
Post Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:43 am
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Here are some pics of water test for my model.

When it comes to convert model kit to RC model, I always check the weight balance on the water.

It's because It's important to check where the weight balance locates at when it moves.

I converted a USS CV to RC model and it is failed. It happened because the weight of balance was located above the water.

when it moved, it stumbles too much to the point it could flipped.

So... for my KGV 16inch model, I used wooden decks and some parts of brass materials.

I was thinking it already made some reasonable weights already before i started put motors, batteries, receiver, servos, and etc.

It's pretty frustrating when it comes to Balancing the weight in the water

however, it went very well.

Belows are the pics i took for KGV with 16inch gun set and camo



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while i was looking at the pics, I could imagine how Lion Class battleship would look like.

Before i finish, let me apologize. I was thinking about put 40mm bofors anti air gun etchings and rigging But then i had no time though.

Next time when i post some pics, maybe it will contains some.

or....

I probably post some progress of RC conversion.
Post Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:06 am
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Aop Aur wrote:
That looks very nice! And what a speed! :thumbs_up_1:

The camouflage looks very cool, and nice colours, too. Is it your own design in reference of other existing ones? :thumbs_up_1:

Currently, we are staying in Bloomington, Indiana. The weather is cooling down and snow might be falling soon. For the 1/700 build, we've cut the top deck out of styrene, now ready to be glued to the hull. But there is a little story before that. On our way from the Indy airport to Bloomington, we left the box containing the skeleton hull on the shuttle bus! We had to go pick it up at their office and discovered someone has already put a name on it, in case no one claims! Perhaps that was a modeller who might be interested in building the ship? :rolf_3:

We're now waiting for MagicSculpt to be delivered, so we could start shaping up the hull. :woo_hoo:

Aop & Aur



For Camo, I used 1944 version of KGV. I used references from Tamiya's paint guide and internet.

But then it won't be accurate it's because i don't have that many colors.

Maybe tonight, tomorrow, or it could be on sunday, i am thinking about working on rigging. Before ahead i think i should work on 40mm Bofors guns etchings. After some parts are completes, I am going to put the ship on the tub and take massive pics of it though. haha. like...

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just ignore how my bath tub is dirty.



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I'm glad that you found your 1/700 hull.

hows your college app are going? Visiting from Thailand to USA.. it's not that close right?

Hope you can share us with your work soon.
Post Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:53 pm
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That looks very nice! And what a speed! :thumbs_up_1:

The camouflage looks very cool, and nice colours, too. Is it your own design in reference of other existing ones? :thumbs_up_1:

Currently, we are staying in Bloomington, Indiana. The weather is cooling down and snow might be falling soon. For the 1/700 build, we've cut the top deck out of styrene, now ready to be glued to the hull. But there is a little story before that. On our way from the Indy airport to Bloomington, we left the box containing the skeleton hull on the shuttle bus! We had to go pick it up at their office and discovered someone has already put a name on it, in case no one claims! Perhaps that was a modeller who might be interested in building the ship? :rolf_3:

We're now waiting for MagicSculpt to be delivered, so we could start shaping up the hull. :woo_hoo:

Aop & Aur
Post Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:42 pm
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Aop Aur wrote:
I have seen the WoWs' new Lion class, and they actually captured her pretty nicely and accurately! However, they depicted the ship as if she went through extensive modifications like capped funnels, extra AA weaponries, etc. The camouflage scheme is very interesting, so maybe that would be something I could do with my models... :cool_1:

Aop


I recently worked on my KGV battleship with 16inch gun turret version. I think i did up to 90% ~ 95%.

However, I am not sure if i have enough time to make it to RC conversion.

Here are some pics of my work.

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That's what i did upto. I started working on radar and antenna section.

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well my spray skill is not that great so... I won't say anything about the camo.

I'm just surprised how it just came out.

any comments i will reply on the bottom.
Post Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:24 pm
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Aop Aur wrote:
@leeyou31, your KGV project looks great! I agree with David that you could put a twin mount for the superfiring. It is certainly up to you anyway, as the single mount makes for an interesting feature too. For the 3D print parts, you could try uploading your 3D designs on Shapeways, as they make very high quality printing, plus great services and convenient website. It should save much more time besides being able to ship to most countries as well.

We did not halt work on the 1/350 Lion, but currently we want to focus more on the 1/700 version, as we made a deal with Richard Harden of Toms Modelworks to create a resin kit to be sold under his brand. The hull master is scratchbuilt as in the photos, and the rest will be 3D printed. Then everything will be cast in resin. Richard would be helping with the PE design, so this would be pretty much a complete kit. It is such a great opportunity for us that we would have the chance to do scratch-building, 3D designing and learn the process of creating a kit. We wouldn't say this is going to be finished soon, but we are trying to work on it, even though free time is becoming more and more difficult to find.

Cheers,
Aop & Aur






Hey Aop Aur. Thanks for your compliment.

I still think if i go 7 rounds of 16 inch gun or 8 rounds of 16inch gun.



According to KGV class battleship wikipedia " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Geor ... ship_(1939) "

It says " the new class would be built up to the Treaty maximum displacement of 35,000 tons. Alternatives with 16-inch, 15-inch and 14-inch main guns were considered and the 15-inch armament was chosen."

I was thinking "What would happen if 16inch guns were chosen with Treaty Maximum displacement of 35,000 tons? and how many guns KGV class can carry
with that restriction? " That's how i started my 3D design.

At the same time, I read Lion Class BB wikipeida.

From link " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-class_battleship "

It says " The 1938 version of the Lion class had an overall length of 785 feet (239.3 m), a beam of 105 feet (32.0 m),[5] and a maximum draught of 33 feet 6 inches (10.2 m).[6] They displaced 40,550 long tons (41,200 t) at standard load and 46,400 long tons (47,100 t) at deep load.[5]"



Since it's about 5000 ton different,

Having 8 guns of 16inch gun will be too heavy for KGV with treaty's max displacement limit.

That's how i come up with my idea and time to time, i will try to calculate more details. Maybe 5000 ton difference can be done by engine weights, Armor belt weights and etcs.

BTW. My company is dragging me into :censored_2: works... I wish i had some time to work on the model.

Feel like i am getting shingles again due to too much stresses and works.

and please show us your progress when you work on the ship.
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