The Ship Model Forum

Martin Quinn said: Please stop trying to moderate what links others post. That's not your decision. If he wants to link to newsmax, let him. If you don't think it's a good source, that's your opinion. Posting links to left leaning sites criticizing newsmax doesn't make it fact either. No one is stopping you - or anyone else - from linking to left leaning sites. People can take what they want from the sources linked and draw their own conclusions.



gms: Hear! Hear!

[quote="Haijun watcher"]As said once already, [url=https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsmax-bias-credibilty-reliability/]Newsmax is not a credible source[/url].[/quote]
Please stop trying to moderate what links others post. That's not your decision. If he wants to link to newsmax, let him. If you don't think it's a good source, that's your opinion. Posting links to left leaning sites criticizing newsmax doesn't make it fact either. No one is stopping you - or anyone else - from linking to left leaning sites. People can take what they want from the sources linked and draw their own conclusions.

So stop 'reporting' other people's posts if they link to sources that don't align with your worldview.

[quote="dragon53"]UPDATE.

LINK: https://www.newsmax.com/headline/united-states-ukraine-missiles-russia/2022/05/19/id/1070638/?ns_mail_uid=241ecb8a-c62a-40ba-96e2-00f4b6204628&ns_mail_job=DM334581_05192022&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010504p4xa31[/quote]

As said once already, [url=https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsmax-bias-credibilty-reliability/]Newsmax is not a credible source[/url].

[quote]We rate Newsmax Right [b]Biased and Questionable [/b]based on the promotion of [b]conspiracy theories and pseudoscience as well as numerous failed fact checks[/b].[/quote]

The REUTERS article below is a more credible source.

[url=https://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-u-aims-arm-ukraine-163046651.html]REUTERS[/url]

[quote][b][size=200]Exclusive-U.S. aims to arm Ukraine with advanced anti-ship missiles to fight Russian blockade[/size][/b]
Mike Stone
Thu, May 19, 2022, 9:30 a.m.·4 min read


By Mike Stone
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The White House is working to put advanced anti-ship missiles in the hands of Ukrainian fighters to help defeat Russia's naval blockade, officials said, amid concerns more powerful weapons that could sink Russian warships would intensify the conflict.
Ukraine has made no secret it wants more advanced U.S. capabilities beyond its current inventory of artillery, Javelin and Stinger missiles, and other arms. Kyiv's list, for example, includes missiles that could push the Russian navy away from its Black Sea ports, allowing the restart of shipments of grain and other agricultural products worldwide.
Current and former U.S. officials and congressional sources have cited roadblocks to sending longer range, more powerful weapons to Ukraine that include lengthy training requirements, difficulties maintaining equipment, or concerns U.S. weaponry could be captured by Russian forces, in addition to the fear of escalation.
But three U.S. officials and two congressional sources said two types of powerful anti-ship missiles, the Harpoon made by Boeing and the Naval Strike Missile made by Kongsberg and Raytheon Technologies were in active consideration for either direct shipment to Ukraine, or through a transfer from a European ally that has the missiles.
In April, Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskiy appealed to Portugal to provide the Ukrainian military with Harpoons, which have a range of up to almost 300 km.
But there are several issues keeping Ukraine from receiving the missiles. For one, there is limited availability of platforms to launch Harpoons from shore -- a technically challenging solution according to several officials -- as it is mostly a sea-based missile.

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UPDATE.

LINK: https://www.newsmax.com/headline/united-states-ukraine-missiles-russia/2022/05/19/id/1070638/?ns_mail_uid=241ecb8a-c62a-40ba-96e2-00f4b6204628&ns_mail_job=DM334581_05192022&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010504p4xa31

[quote="FrancisMcN"][quote="Admiral John Byng"]I wonder how effective these extremely old missiles will be? They were due to leave UK service in 2018.[/quote]

Finally due to go next year according to this: https://www.navylookout.com/delivery-of-many-critical-royal-navy-capabilities-still-years-away/[/quote]

Yes, but originally due to go in 2018. They kept them because they had no replacement, but spares and maintenance must be an issue. I hope Ukraine can make use of them.

[quote="gms"]That should catch Moscow's attention and complicate their operations of its Black Sea fleet. They may have to consider suing for peace or risk the loss of these ships. Glad the UK is doing this. The US is weak in will power.[/quote]

Wonder if Moskva cruiser was struck by these actually. Unlikely that it will be admitted but could be the case.

[quote="Admiral John Byng"]I wonder how effective these extremely old missiles will be? They were due to leave UK service in 2018.[/quote]

Finally due to go next year according to this: https://www.navylookout.com/delivery-of-many-critical-royal-navy-capabilities-still-years-away/

I wonder how effective these extremely old missiles will be? They were due to leave UK service in 2018.

That should catch Moscow's attention and complicate their operations of its Black Sea fleet. They may have to consider suing for peace or risk the loss of these ships. Glad the UK is doing this. The US is weak in will power.

LINK: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10697657/Britain-send-anti-ship-missiles-armoured-vehicles-Ukraine-Putins-offensive-ramps-up.html