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Great shout, I'll look that part out thanks
Great shout, I'll look that part out thanks
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:17 am |
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It's hard to know. Since the model shows almost every surface covered with treaded metal and no obvious linoleum surfaces, it might be best to leave well enough alone.
That said, there is one potential area that could be covered with linoleum, part I6, on the bridge. this part has some surfaces that are exposed walkways, even though it is partially covered by other decks.
It's hard to know. Since the model shows almost every surface covered with treaded metal and no obvious linoleum surfaces, it might be best to leave well enough alone.
That said, there is one potential area that could be covered with linoleum, part I6, on the bridge. this part has some surfaces that are exposed walkways, even though it is partially covered by other decks.
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:23 am |
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That's a very interesting thread, thanks for sharing, leaves me wondering on Taiho which if any may have been linoleum, there's so little info on her I guess I can treat it as best guess really,
That's a very interesting thread, thanks for sharing, leaves me wondering on Taiho which if any may have been linoleum, there's so little info on her I guess I can treat it as best guess really,
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:38 pm |
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Yes and no. Generally speaking, most metal deck areas (like an anchor deck) are covered with treaded metal and are gray. However, a good portion of the unplanked decks were often cover with linoleum, and fastened down with brass tie-down strips. It varied by ship type and class. See: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=159424Tamiya also makes that color XF-79. So do other paint manufacturers. There is said to be some variation in the color, depending on origin and batch.
Yes and no. Generally speaking, most metal deck areas (like an anchor deck) are covered with treaded metal and are gray. However, a good portion of the unplanked decks were often cover with linoleum, and fastened down with brass tie-down strips. It varied by ship type and class.
See: http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=159424
Tamiya also makes that color XF-79. So do other paint manufacturers. There is said to be some variation in the color, depending on origin and batch.
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:48 pm |
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Dan K wrote: That happens to be true, but it applies to the gray applied to the hulls. There was an official, specific mix for IJN gray, but each of the IJN's four principal naval shipyards managed their own particular (and subtle) twist on that gray mix. That may have also been true of the private yards that built IJN ships as well. Ah the plot thickens, thanks for confirming that, I'll have to keep that in mind as I plan to do a couple more Japanese ships and the subtly different shades would help break up the monotone in the cabinet, Am I correct in saying as standard any non planked deck areas would have been the same grey as the vertical surfaces?
[quote="Dan K"]That happens to be true, but it applies to the gray applied to the hulls. There was an official, specific mix for IJN gray, but each of the IJN's four principal naval shipyards managed their own particular (and subtle) twist on that gray mix. That may have also been true of the private yards that built IJN ships as well.[/quote]
Ah the plot thickens, thanks for confirming that, I'll have to keep that in mind as I plan to do a couple more Japanese ships and the subtly different shades would help break up the monotone in the cabinet,
Am I correct in saying as standard any non planked deck areas would have been the same grey as the vertical surfaces?
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:04 pm |
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That happens to be true, but it applies to the gray applied to the hulls. There was an official, specific mix for IJN gray, but each of the IJN's four principal naval shipyards managed their own particular (and subtle) twist on that gray mix. That may have also been true of the private yards that built IJN ships as well.
That happens to be true, but it applies to the gray applied to the hulls. There was an official, specific mix for IJN gray, but each of the IJN's four principal naval shipyards managed their own particular (and subtle) twist on that gray mix. That may have also been true of the private yards that built IJN ships as well.
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:10 pm |
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Dan K wrote: A dull, dark red. Tamiya XF-9 Hull Red is a spot-on match. Just Google that. Thanks, I'd read a while back about there being different shades used by different shipyards but can't find the info now and perhaps a misnomer,
[quote="Dan K"]A dull, dark red. Tamiya XF-9 Hull Red is a spot-on match. Just Google that.[/quote]
Thanks, I'd read a while back about there being different shades used by different shipyards but can't find the info now and perhaps a misnomer,
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:25 am |
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A dull, dark red. Tamiya XF-9 Hull Red is a spot-on match. Just Google that.
A dull, dark red. Tamiya XF-9 Hull Red is a spot-on match. Just Google that.
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:21 pm |
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Hi All, I'm part way through building Veryfires Taiho (DX version) it's a fantastic kit worth every penny, although with some cheeky omissions on veryfires part in my opinion.
Anyone any idea how bright her anti fouling would likely have been, I've seen suggestions elsewhere that Japanese ships had a very bright almost post box red akin to humbrol 60, but the large model of Yamato in her museum has a quite dark almost burgundy hue to it and whilst Taihos from a different builder you'd expect some standardisation,
Any suggestions would be gratefully received,
Thanks
Hi All, I'm part way through building Veryfires Taiho (DX version) it's a fantastic kit worth every penny, although with some cheeky omissions on veryfires part in my opinion.
Anyone any idea how bright her anti fouling would likely have been, I've seen suggestions elsewhere that Japanese ships had a very bright almost post box red akin to humbrol 60, but the large model of Yamato in her museum has a quite dark almost burgundy hue to it and whilst Taihos from a different builder you'd expect some standardisation,
Any suggestions would be gratefully received,
Thanks
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 2:44 am |
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I'm not sure you're gonna get more "latest" than two-three weeks ago...
I'm not sure you're gonna get more "latest" than two-three weeks ago...
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:38 pm |
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Timmy C wrote: Very Fire's 1/350 Taiho's released, and Hobby Search has the instructions scanned for your reviewing pleasure: https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/107890548 planes included, 2 of each type. No complete hangar deck, but a pretty detailed elevator well with one end open. If this Taiho kit is the latest available in any scale, I'll consider it as my best reference for modifying my old school Tamiya 1/700 scale Taiho. "Latest " is the key word.
[quote="Timmy C"]Very Fire's 1/350 Taiho's released, and Hobby Search has the instructions scanned for your reviewing pleasure: https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10789054
8 planes included, 2 of each type. No complete hangar deck, but a pretty detailed elevator well with one end open.[/quote]
If this Taiho kit is the latest available in any scale, I'll consider it as my best reference for modifying my old school Tamiya 1/700 scale Taiho.
"Latest " is the key word.
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:52 pm |
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Very Fire's 1/350 Taiho's released, and Hobby Search has the instructions scanned for your reviewing pleasure: https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/107890548 planes included, 2 of each type. No complete hangar deck, but a pretty detailed elevator well with one end open.
Very Fire's 1/350 Taiho's released, and Hobby Search has the instructions scanned for your reviewing pleasure: https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10789054
8 planes included, 2 of each type. No complete hangar deck, but a pretty detailed elevator well with one end open.
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 2:49 pm |
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Ditto that.
Ditto that. :-)
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:40 pm |
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I just put in a pre-order for the Very Fire 1/350 Taiho DX kit from HLJ. With all the resin and etch included, $227 seems like too good of a deal to pass up. I just hope the exchange rate doesn't spike when they become available.
I just put in a pre-order for the Very Fire 1/350 Taiho DX kit from HLJ. With all the resin and etch included, $227 seems like too good of a deal to pass up. I just hope the exchange rate doesn't spike when they become available.
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:55 pm |
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There's just no way to know how extensive the black paintover would be. You guess will be as good as anyone's. I doubt that the flight deck markings would be painted over. Just seems unlikely. Those were already minimized, and the air crews inexperienced.
There's just no way to know how extensive the black paintover would be. You guess will be as good as anyone's. I doubt that the flight deck markings would be painted over. Just seems unlikely. Those were already minimized, and the air crews inexperienced.
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:25 pm |
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Dan K wrote: ...the deck was subsequently painted black at Tawi Tawi I know there's probably no definitive answer to this, but would that be just the planked section painted black? Or the entire flight deck including elevators, edges/gutters, and the steel areas at bow and stern painted uniform black? And presumably the flight deck markings would be preserved and/or reapplied?
[quote="Dan K"]...the deck was subsequently painted black at Tawi Tawi[/quote]
I know there's probably no definitive answer to this, but would that be just the planked section painted black? Or the entire flight deck including elevators, edges/gutters, and the steel areas at bow and stern painted uniform black? And presumably the flight deck markings would be preserved and/or reapplied?
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:50 pm |
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Well, some folks will not be satisfied until Taiho is found and dived on for conclusive evidence of her flight deck, but, as I posted on p1 of this thread, a photograph surfaced some years ago which has been verified as taken on board Taiho, showing a planked flight deck: viewtopic.php?f=46&t=22885#p377409The postwar USN Technical Mission to Japan conducted extensive interviews and analysis, drawing up a set of plans for Taiho. Her bridge shows a sloped deck, possibly internal, abutting the funnel uptake. This is the reference upon Fujimi based its version. It remains a subject of debate.
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Well, some folks will not be satisfied until Taiho is found and dived on for conclusive evidence of her flight deck, but, as I posted on p1 of this thread, a photograph surfaced some years ago which has been verified as taken on board Taiho, showing a planked flight deck: http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=22885#p377409
The postwar USN Technical Mission to Japan conducted extensive interviews and analysis, drawing up a set of plans for Taiho. Her bridge shows a sloped deck, possibly internal, abutting the funnel uptake. This is the reference upon Fujimi based its version. It remains a subject of debate.
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:14 pm |
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Tamiya kits, even old ones, are sharply moulded and do stand up well even today, hence I asked to see if this is one of the better ones that fit that description You say the older deck is not planked, is it conclusive now that this was the case for Taiho? I'm also curious about this sloping island deck.
Tamiya kits, even old ones, are sharply moulded and do stand up well even today, hence I asked to see if this is one of the better ones that fit that description :big_grin:
You say the older deck is not planked, is it conclusive now that this was the case for Taiho? I'm also curious about this sloping island deck.
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:46 pm |
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They are far from identical, but I do think the Tamiya kit has held up reasonably well. In many ways, the kit is more sharply molded than the Fujimi version. I don't have measurements readily available, but there are subtle differences in length and width. Obviously, the older deck is not planked, and the island follows the traditional stacked deck configuration, with no (possibly internal) sloping deck.
The biggest omission that comes to mind is the lack of the aft, starboard boat storage tunnel that lay between the upper hangar deck and the outer hull. Not a deal breaker.
They are far from identical, but I do think the Tamiya kit has held up reasonably well. In many ways, the kit is more sharply molded than the Fujimi version. I don't have measurements readily available, but there are subtle differences in length and width. Obviously, the older deck is not planked, and the island follows the traditional stacked deck configuration, with no (possibly internal) sloping deck.
The biggest omission that comes to mind is the lack of the aft, starboard boat storage tunnel that lay between the upper hangar deck and the outer hull. Not a deal breaker.
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:22 pm |
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For a 1/700 Taiho, I know Tamiya's old kit won't hold a candle to Fujimi's current offering in terms of detail, but is the Tamiya kit fundamentally sound in overall shape/size accuracy?
For a 1/700 Taiho, I know Tamiya's old kit won't hold a candle to Fujimi's current offering in terms of detail, but is the Tamiya kit fundamentally sound in overall shape/size accuracy?
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:58 am |
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