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Topic review - Calling all Escort Carriers (CVE) fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all Escort Carriers (CVE) fans  Reply with quote
Rich in Name Only wrote:
To ESzczesniak, photos.
Haven't been on this site in a while.
Coincidentally last Friday (1/16) I was looking for the same Casablanca class fore/aft flight deck support photos.
I went through Navsource, each ship, every picture (I'm retired, I can do that!).

I found enough good photos of the forward supports to go ahead with the drill bits. Make note that "good enough" was for illustration---some of the photos aren't really so good.
Be sure to look at all of them!
There are holes not included in the kit and the kit has the wrong size for the big uns!
Also note the holes in the fore/aft members.
Some show holes in the front of the forward most gun tubs at the corners of the flight deck.

I'm not sure about the rear. There are a lot of holes there but it doesn't look like each ship had them or that they went all the way through the plate. However, that means the kit part could be used, without drilling, and painted (what color??) like in the photos. Not a full solution but helps.

I have the Gambier Bay AOTS but it has nothing in the drawings. Great source but disappointing for key features. However, it's photos, combined with Navsource were helpful.

The Navsource photos were for:
Forward: Bismark Sea, Corregidor, Petrof Bay, Rudyard Bay, Shamrock Bay, Shiloh Bay, St. Lo, and Takanis Bay.
Aft: Anzio, Sitkoh Bay.

A sidenote is that the aft photos, including others that weren't at an angle to show the brace, made a good comparison with Thetis Bay as CVHA (a separate entry in Navsource from Thetis Bay as CVE),


Thanks for the reply. After reviewing photos I made the same call, but was happy to accept the kit's arrangement as "close enough". I'm on to painting the hull. A bit more work on the flight deck before painting. And then a whole lot of photo-etch and aircraft.
Post Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:58 pm
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To ESzczesniak, photos.
Haven't been on this site in a while.
Coincidentally last Friday (1/16) I was looking for the same Casablanca class fore/aft flight deck support photos.
I went through Navsource, each ship, every picture (I'm retired, I can do that!).

I found enough good photos of the forward supports to go ahead with the drill bits. Make note that "good enough" was for illustration---some of the photos aren't really so good.
Be sure to look at all of them!
There are holes not included in the kit and the kit has the wrong size for the big uns!
Also note the holes in the fore/aft members.
Some show holes in the front of the forward most gun tubs at the corners of the flight deck.

I'm not sure about the rear. There are a lot of holes there but it doesn't look like each ship had them or that they went all the way through the plate. However, that means the kit part could be used, without drilling, and painted (what color??) like in the photos. Not a full solution but helps.

I have the Gambier Bay AOTS but it has nothing in the drawings. Great source but disappointing for key features. However, it's photos, combined with Navsource were helpful.

The Navsource photos were for:
Forward: Bismark Sea, Corregidor, Petrof Bay, Rudyard Bay, Shamrock Bay, Shiloh Bay, St. Lo, and Takanis Bay.
Aft: Anzio, Sitkoh Bay.

A sidenote is that the aft photos, including others that weren't at an angle to show the brace, made a good comparison with Thetis Bay as CVHA (a separate entry in Navsource from Thetis Bay as CVE),
Post Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:43 am
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Hmm. There doesn't seem to be any 1/700 scale model kits of HMS Nariana or Audacity out there. :Mad_5:
Post Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:44 am
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Sorry to necro, but ironshipwright doesn't mfg the bogue in 1:250 anymore. They said there were rumors of a middle east company doing so in plastic but would not release who (which I understand). Does anyone have information as to who it is or where I can purchase something larger than the dinky tamiya 1:700 bogue?
Post Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:12 pm
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I've just acquired and am working on the Hasegawa 1:350 USS Gambier Bay with all the Hasegawa PE/Deck aftermarket sets. I got the "super" set and it seemed like they left out the fore and after flight deck supports. However, large parts of these appear to be similar to the kit parts with lightening holes cut out...which would be easy to do with the kit parts.

Does anyone have pictures of the fore and aft flight deck supports? I'm toiling with modifying the kit parts versus getting the WEM set in addition. I haven't been able to get good views of this area on Google pictures to figure out how worthwhile this wound be. Any help with photographic documentation of this area would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Post Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:50 pm
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Dick, probably not Nabob. She was torpedoed off the north coast of Norway in August, 1944 while involved with air strikes against Tirpitz.

Paul
Post Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:32 pm
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My father was a B-17 pilot in the USAAF. Some time in late 1944, he was transported to England on the Ile de France. He told a story about seeing a CVE that was escorting them (as they approached England) being torpedoed in the stern. He described "planes falling off the deck". Of course, his transport took an immediate turn away from the scene, so he never saw the aftermath. Any chance this was Nabob?
Post Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:30 am
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I wished my father in law was still alive as he served on the Trumpter until she was returned to the US in 1946. He was on the same convoy which the Nabob was attached and nearly sunk. There are serveral pictures around showing the Nabob listing taken from the Trumpeter.

Norman
Post Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:52 am
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Did the amidships twin 20mm guns displace any singles or were they an extra additions?

thanks
Mike
Post Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:05 pm
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The weapons on the foc's'le are indeed twin 20mm Mk V; there was another each side amidships, in sponsons in the flight deck catwalks. These were fitted some time after she commissioned - earlier photos only show single mountings.
Post Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:54 pm
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tjstoneman wrote:
I'm afraid I don't know the colours - interpretation of black and white photos is notoriously difficult! There are photos of her in two different schemes at http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive.org ... ONz2MTldY; one of these is similar to the drawings of AVENGER's and ATTACKER's port sides in the Warship Perspectives book, which states that AVENGER wore USN colours (Navy Blue, Ocean Gray, Haze Gray and White) in this scheme and ATTACKER used only Navy Blue, Ocean Gray and Haze Gray. The upper photo on that page, taken later than the lower one, shows SEARCHER in a later scheme, similar in style to those in the third volume of Warship Perspectives, and presumably uses the RN range of colours. One photo shows SEARCHER with her pennant number "40" in the same tone as the lightest colour of her camouflage.



Thanks again, I'll be able to work something out I think!

Are those power twin 20mm guns on the bow?, If so, were they fitted anywhere else?

thanks
Mike
Post Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:58 pm
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I'm afraid I don't know the colours - interpretation of black and white photos is notoriously difficult! There are photos of her in two different schemes at http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive.org ... ONz2MTldY; one of these is similar to the drawings of AVENGER's and ATTACKER's port sides in the Warship Perspectives book, which states that AVENGER wore USN colours (Navy Blue, Ocean Gray, Haze Gray and White) in this scheme and ATTACKER used only Navy Blue, Ocean Gray and Haze Gray. The upper photo on that page, taken later than the lower one, shows SEARCHER in a later scheme, similar in style to those in the third volume of Warship Perspectives, and presumably uses the RN range of colours. One photo shows SEARCHER with her pennant number "40" in the same tone as the lightest colour of her camouflage.
Post Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:18 pm
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tjstoneman wrote:
SEARCHER carried SW RDF Type 272 (the "lantern" on the short lattice structure on the island) and AW.RDF Type 281B (the array of dipoles on the topmast above the larger lattice mast). She also carried an HF/DF aerial on the pole mast in the starboard for's catwalk. She wore at least two camouflage schemes, and possibly three.


Thanks for that.

The picture I've got shows her in what looks like a 3 colour scheme. The lightest colour looks like a very light Grey, possibly even white. As the picture is in Black and White, the other colours appear as a Medium and Dark Grey. Any suggestions?

Also I've got the Warships Perspective books including the one with several colour schemes for the Attacker class, would Searcher have been painted in any of them at any point?

thanks
Mike
Post Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:34 pm
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SEARCHER carried SW RDF Type 272 (the "lantern" on the short lattice structure on the island) and AW.RDF Type 281B (the array of dipoles on the topmast above the larger lattice mast). She also carried an HF/DF aerial on the pole mast in the starboard for's catwalk. She wore at least two camouflage schemes, and possibly three.
Post Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:19 pm
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tjstoneman wrote:
According to David Hobbs Royal Navy Escort Carriers (Liskeard: Maritime Books, 2003), the Ruler class carried 2 single 5" Mk 9 guns, instead of the 4" guns fitted in the Attacker class. PUNCHER and ATHELING were fitted with SK air search radars - the photo of the former referred to shows the antenna trained abeam, so it is virtually invisible, and that of ATHELING shows her after the war, without the SK antenna which had previously been fitted (visible in various other photos). The only photos of an Attacker class ship with more than four twin 40mm Bofors guns I have seen are of SEARCHER with 8 twin mountings.


So that means if I want to model one of the first group (as was HMS Tracker herself!) I should model HMS Searcher, if I don't want to modify the kit for the Bofors guns. What Radars were fitted to HMS Searcher and is there any painting diagrams for her, as well as info on what colours she was painted in? I can see from the pic it's some kind of dazzle camou but it's not a clear side on picture.

thanks
Mike
Post Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:05 pm
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According to David Hobbs Royal Navy Escort Carriers (Liskeard: Maritime Books, 2003), the Ruler class carried 2 single 5" Mk 9 guns, instead of the 4" guns fitted in the Attacker class. PUNCHER and ATHELING were fitted with SK air search radars - the photo of the former referred to shows the antenna trained abeam, so it is virtually invisible, and that of ATHELING shows her after the war, without the SK antenna which had previously been fitted (visible in various other photos). The only photos of an Attacker class ship with more than four twin 40mm Bofors guns I have seen are of SEARCHER with 8 twin mountings.
Post Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:54 am
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DavidP wrote:
CVE-53, D79 - HMS Puncher - Booklet of General Plans, 1944, Bogue Class
http://www.hnsa.org/doc/plans/cve53-d79.pdf


Thanks for that.

I've just picked up a Ships Illustrated magazine on RN Carriers of WW2. It's not the most extensive publication on the subject but there's plenty of general info and photos.

Regards the US built RN Escort Carriers, I have been reminded of the following. The first group (Attacker class, of which HMS Tracker is part of) were laid down as merchant ships and converted into Bogue class carriers but transferred to the RN on completion. They were armed with 2 single 4 inch and 4 Twin Bofors (plus numerous 20mm guns). It shows a picture of HMS Fencer, Searcher and Battler. I can't make out the radar's on the mast but there is clearly a Radar lantern in place of the SK radar of the USN ships. Both the pics of Battler and Fencer show only 1 tub for the twin Bofors forward but HMS Searcher clearly, has 2 twin Bofors on either side forward.

That leads me to ask the following question - did all the ships in the first group get the extra twin Bofors guns and if so when?

The next group was known as the Ruler class and differed from the first group by being built as carriers (merchant style hulls) from the start and were almost identical. There is no mention of the armament but the pictures of HMS Puncher and Atheling show they had 8 twin Bofors guns but I assume they would have the single 4 inch guns too. The plans in the previous post show HMS Puncher with an SK radar but there is no SK radar in the pictures of Puncher or Atheling, in fact I can't make out exactly what they had there but there is no big squarish radar antenna present!

I'd like to model the kit as any of the first group, so if anyone knows the answer to the question posted a few lines above, please let me know asap!

thanks
Mike
Post Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:56 am
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CVE-53, D79 - HMS Puncher - Booklet of General Plans, 1944, Bogue Class
http://www.hnsa.org/doc/plans/cve53-d79.pdf
Post Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:36 am
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I have the Skywave 1/700 HMS Tracker kit in my stash and would like to know what building options I have with it.

From what I can see, it looks exactly like the USS Bogue kit but I know there were differences in the US and RN ships. I know the RN ships had 4 twin Bofors and 4 inch guns instead of the 8 twin Bofors and 5 inch guns of the US ships and I would imagine the radars would be different too.

My first question is can I build it OOB as an RN ship (perhaps with the most minor changes, ie radars) and if so which one?

Next question - if the answer to the first question is no, is there any drawings or diagrams showing the differences? For example, if all the RN ships had 4 twin Bofors, I'll need to remove them from the kit but which ones?

thanks
Mike
Post Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:58 pm
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pdf file for hms puncher http://www.hnsa.org/doc/plans/cve53-d79.pdf
Post Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:42 pm

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