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Topic review - Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
2whl wrote:
Just a question from a newbie. I have the Trumpeter 1/350 Essex and the instructions call for everything to be painted Navy Blue. Is this correct? I started going through this thread, but haven't seen anything yet and it's 110 pages long.



That is the challenge of those paint schemes! Not making it look like a big blue brick.


I am trying an experiment with a Lexington doing the MS-21 which is a similar issue. So I started by spraying light ghost gray and then a light coat of 5N over that. When I spray the 5N Blue, I spray perpendicular to the waterline. This is giving a subtle weathering affect of the blue fading unevenly. So far so good. Then a blue wash on a tan flight deck will give the big blue brick some contrast as well.


When I get a chance, I will post a pic or two.

Good Luck!

Mark
Post Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:32 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
2whl wrote:
Just a question from a newbie. I have the Trumpeter 1/350 Essex and the instructions call for everything to be painted Navy Blue. Is this correct? I started going through this thread, but haven't seen anything yet and it's 110 pages long.


If you are building her "as built" when she was first commissioned, then yes, overall Navy Blue (aka Measure 21) is correct. She didn't get painted in dazzle until 1944.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020983.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020972.jpg
Post Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:13 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Just a question from a newbie. I have the Trumpeter 1/350 Essex and the instructions call for everything to be painted Navy Blue. Is this correct? I started going through this thread, but haven't seen anything yet and it's 110 pages long.
Post Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:56 pm
  Post subject:  Re: USS Essex  Reply with quote
thefenders wrote:
Just picked up a Trumpy 1/350 Essex with White Ensign PE (4 sheets) for $80!!! I just had to tell someone who understands, because when I told my wife, she just had this blank look in her eyes.
:woo_hoo:

He shoots, he scores! Wow, $80 for all that!
Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:28 am
  Post subject:  USS Essex  Reply with quote
Just picked up a Trumpy 1/350 Essex with White Ensign PE (4 sheets) for $80!!! I just had to tell someone who understands, because when I told my wife, she just had this blank look in her eyes.
:woo_hoo:
Post Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:40 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Twin 40MMs weren't until 1945, essentially.
Post Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:13 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Along a similar line to the question by Mikevpd:

I am starting a CV-19 Hancock, with the Dragon kit, - instructions specify twin 20-mm, and both MS-21 & MS-22 are spec'd for 1945.

But, she has the intriguing MS-3a scheme shown for 1943; might give that a try...would that have been with single 20-mm?

Regards,

ah3000mk1
Post Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:27 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
A place called Warship Hobbies picked up the line and sells them in the US through an eBay store.
Post Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:05 pm
  Post subject:  Another Ticonderoga Question...  Reply with quote
I'm looking for a match, or close substitute, for 1945 Navy Gray #7 or 5-N Revised. Any recommendations?

I know Colourcoats makes that color, but I have not found any in stock on this side of the Atlantic.
Post Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:31 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Ticonderoga's February / April 1945 departure report stated that the removal of 58 single 20mm mounts and replacement with 35 twin mounts was 100% complete at the time of her departure from Puget Sound Naval Shipyard.

*Edit* Location & count from some photos I have:
Two in each starboard island platform
Port side: Five guns in the forward gallery, unclear on the gallery just forward of the elevator but probably four, four in the gallery aft of the elevator, and four in the gallery between the two quad 40mm mounts that were added ahead of the open 5" galleries.
Starboard side: Four guns in the forward gallery, five in the gallery immediately aft of that, and five in the aft gallery that was behind twin 5" mount #4.
That adds up to 35.
Post Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:50 am
  Post subject:  Ticonderoga Question  Reply with quote
I am building Trumpeter's 1/700 USS Ticonderoga and want to portray her in her 1945 fit. My questions are: did she receive twin 20mm's during her early 1945 refit, and if so, how many?

Thanks in advance for the help, this forum is an amazing resource!
Post Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:27 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Tracy White wrote:
Not that Adaks wasn't putting CV-9 on the list, he was just mentioning the CV-9 kit as a starting point.


Tracy is right. :) I was referring to Trumpeter CV-9 kit (5602) as a starting point. Essex is not on my list. As we know CV-9 was quite unique in her dazzle configuration.
Post Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 5:02 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Not that Adaks wasn't putting CV-9 on the list, he was just mentioning the CV-9 kit as a starting point.
Post Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:13 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Adaks wrote:
Jamie Alguire wrote:
Guys:
I have the 350 Trumpy CV-9 kit and would like to build it as a dazzle-type camo short hull ship, what are my options, without too much scratch building? Seems Franklin was commissioned with dazzle camo paint and before its Jan 1945 overhaul could be a choice, ie. the weapons suite & early bridge match the CV-9 kit? The others seemed to convert to dazzle camo after their overhauls to late style bridge & weapons suite (which is not possible with the CV-9 kit).
Thanks!


If you want to build 1/350 Trumpeter CV-9 in dazzle and without too much scratch building (short hull, early island, one deck catapult, early AA fit) your choices are:

1. CV-10 Yorktown
2. CV-12 Hornet
3. CV-13 Franklin (but before she went to war zone)
4. CV-17 Bunker Hill
5. CV-18 Wasp

Hope this helps. :)


If by "early island" you mean with the 40mm quad tub right in front of the bridge, then this is incorrect. Essex had her bridge extended during the refit that left her in dazzle.

- Sean F.
Post Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:58 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Jamie Alguire wrote:
Guys:
I have the 350 Trumpy CV-9 kit and would like to build it as a dazzle-type camo short hull ship, what are my options, without too much scratch building? Seems Franklin was commissioned with dazzle camo paint and before its Jan 1945 overhaul could be a choice, ie. the weapons suite & early bridge match the CV-9 kit? The others seemed to convert to dazzle camo after their overhauls to late style bridge & weapons suite (which is not possible with the CV-9 kit).
Thanks!


If you want to build 1/350 Trumpeter CV-9 in dazzle and without too much scratch building (short hull, early island, one deck catapult, early AA fit) your choices are:

1. CV-10 Yorktown
2. CV-12 Hornet
3. CV-13 Franklin (but before she went to war zone)
4. CV-17 Bunker Hill
5. CV-18 Wasp

Hope this helps. :)
Post Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:39 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Jamie Alguire wrote:
Guys:
I have the 350 Trumpy CV-9 kit and would like to build it as a dazzle-type camo short hull ship, what are my options, without too much scratch building? Seems Franklin was commissioned with dazzle camo paint and before its Jan 1945 overhaul could be a choice, ie. the weapons suite & early bridge match the CV-9 kit? The others seemed to convert to dazzle camo after their overhauls to late style bridge & weapons suite (which is not possible with the CV-9 kit).
Thanks!



In addition to the island, you have to look at the bow cats. The Essex Kit only has the starboard Bow Cat. So you need a candidate with the old island configuration and original cat layout.

Check any of the "short hull" carriers at the time of their arrival in the pacific. The Battle of Philippine Sea had the following Essex Class Carriers and I tihnk that they all wore dazzle schemes at that time:

CV-9
CV-10
CV-11
CV-12
CV-16
CV-17
CV-18

So pick one of these carriers and compare whether they had the original island 40mm layout and the one starboard deck catapult while they wore the dazzle paint scheme. Some might have already gotten the updated island and two bow cats before they went to war with the dazzle scheme. I seem to recall that the Wasp CV-18 didn't get those updates until early 1945 so that might be a winner. Of course they all had slightly different layouts for mast, radars, and the antenna.

Good luck,

Mark
Post Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:16 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
MFH wrote:
FWIW, if you can get your hands on this, it shows Lexington's flight deck armament in May 1945: http://www.amazon.com/Essex-Class-Carriers-Warship-Design-Histories/dp/0870210211/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1442454699&sr=1-1&keywords=Essex-class+carriers+by+Alan+Raven

It shows the locations of her twin 20mm and quad 0.50 caliber Army M45 mounts, around her flight deck and on her island.

As far as I know, it's correct, but I have not taken the time to compare it to photographs.



Thanks mate. I am afraid that is a little out of my price range at the moment, but I will keep it in mind.
Post Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 2:19 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Guys:
I have the 350 Trumpy CV-9 kit and would like to build it as a dazzle-type camo short hull ship, what are my options, without too much scratch building? Seems Franklin was commissioned with dazzle camo paint and before its Jan 1945 overhaul could be a choice, ie. the weapons suite & early bridge match the CV-9 kit? The others seemed to convert to dazzle camo after their overhauls to late style bridge & weapons suite (which is not possible with the CV-9 kit).
Thanks!
Post Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:26 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
P.S. The layouts are on pages 62-65.
Post Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:58 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
FWIW, if you can get your hands on this, it shows Lexington's flight deck armament in May 1945: http://www.amazon.com/Essex-Class-Carriers-Warship-Design-Histories/dp/0870210211/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1442454699&sr=1-1&keywords=Essex-class+carriers+by+Alan+Raven

It shows the locations of her twin 20mm and quad 0.50 caliber Army M45 mounts, around her flight deck and on her island.

As far as I know, it's correct, but I have not taken the time to compare it to photographs.
Post Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:58 pm

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