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Topic review - Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
I will have to pull out one of the kits to check the 40MM cutouts. But I do remember that the Boxer kit had the short deck, and I was relieved when the Princeton kit had the proper length deck.
Post Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:35 am
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If the flight deck length and cut-outs are the only problem, I'm more than happy to attempt to do this using styrene rather than buy two kits. The cut-outs are an easy fix, the deck length I will probably try to do by sawing the end off and inserting a section where it will be least noticeable. If everything is else about the ship is the same as Randolph/Hancock (as far as can be differentiated in 1/700) then I'd rather buy one of those.
Post Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:08 pm
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I don't think any of the Dragon long hulls have the regular deck. I don't think any of the Essex kits period had a deck without hte quad 40mm cut-outs. I'll try and look over my notes tonight / this weekend if someone doesn't beat me to the answer, but I think your best bet may be to combine a long hull and CV-16 kit, but even then you're going to have the flight deck to deal with. I seem to recall that some 3rd party company had brass brass PE decks that might help, though.
Post Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:34 am
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Dick, are you sure about that? According to the review on this very site:

http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/sh ... eview.html

the Princeton kit deck "is the same as the one included in the Randolf kit", and you can clearly see from the pictures that the 40mm cutouts are there even though they are not in the box art. Is the review wrong?

Also, would the Princeton kit not have the wrong bridge? Or are there enough common parts with the other kits to make the WWII bridge?
Post Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:53 am
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I would start with a Princeton kit. It has the full-length flightdeck without the 40MM cutouts. The correct aircraft are easier to obtain than the proper flightdeck for one of the other kits.
Post Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:10 am
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If I wanted to make a Shangri La in 1944 from one of the Dragon 1/700 kits, what's my best starting point? I'm thinking either the Randolph or the Hancock. What are the differences between these two kits? Is one more appropriate than the other and what would I have to change to get an accurate CV-38?
Post Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:05 am
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Have you looked through the Works in Progress and completed works sections?
Post Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:16 pm
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I am about to embark on building a 1/350 Trumpeter Yorktown (CV-10) (late 1944 w/Tom's PE set) and was looking for threads/websites that walk through build issues (such as fit) with this kit. Of course, this thread is a terrific resource, but I haven't been able to find a thread specifically focused on construction issues - any recommendations?
Post Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:12 pm
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Oh heck, who cares about the other people, I'm just talking about making it easier for yourself in the future! :big_grin:
Post Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:46 pm
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Now why would I want to make things easy for people?!
Post Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:40 pm
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It's not really helpful to the determination of that location, but in terms of referencing posts, if you click on the linked title next to "post subject" you get a URL that will link you directly to the post in question. The problem with referencing page numbers is that if the mods ever prune out large sections of posts (I probably pruned half of this thread over the years when I was a mod) or split out posts in the future, that page reference changes.

That photo appears to have been either slightly double exposed or shot in the hangar with a movie screen in the background through the window.
Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:30 pm
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After I went to bed last night, I realized linking "CVG-20" and "G-symbol" is incorrect. Official G-symbols didn't come into being until January 1945...

Tracy, yes, I agree and think my latest photo is the "HD CONT STA" (I would assume this means "hangar deck control station") around frame 105.

For the life of me I can't figure out where the Bunker Hill shot on page 103 was taken and I'm going to keep digging... :scratch:
Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:09 pm
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As Mark said, that would be Air Group 16, so try searches for VF-16 F6F-3, VB-16 SBD-5, VT-16 TBF/M-1C, and VF(N)-76 F6F-3N & TBF-1CN.
Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:47 am
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Cheers guys, I really want to model her when she and Enterprise covered the Hollandia invasions in April. Thanks again guys. Any pics of her or her airwing would be greatly appreciated. :wave_1:
Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:07 am
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MFH wrote:
If I may, when in 1944?


Beat me to it! :big_grin: 1944 was a long year.

With regard to the picture - check out the main deck level on this set of plans at the Historic Naval Ships Association site. Is it around frame 105? It was about the only area in bay 2 that matches the structure and hatch configuration. If so, then I'm 99% sure this is a post-war mod as I've never seen any textual description of such a station in any of the 1945 departure reports I have. That's close enough to where the aft center line elevator was on this ships that I don't think they'd want to restrict that side of the hangar bay.

However, the hangars on these ships changed just as much as the outside... there was just less action there, so we have less comprehensive photos to draw from. There's a chance this was done during the war and I haven't seen the documentation, but it certainly wasn't an "as built" feature.
Post Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:29 pm
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Do you happen to know what her A/C looked like in 1944? :wave_1:


If I may, when in 1944?

CVG-16 had tri-color F6F-3s, SBDs, and TBF/Ms (early 1944 through about July, i.e., the Turkey Shoot).

CVG-19 had sea blue F6F-5s, tri-color SB2Cs and TBF/Ms (~July through November, i.e., Philippines & Leyte Gulf, and each squadron had unique markings).

CVG-20 was basically the same as CVG-19, except they had Enterprise's old triangle G-symbol on their vertical stabilizers.

If you need more details, just ask! I can hunt up the specific dates, and there's fairly good photographic representation of Lexington's air groups for 1944.
Post Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:46 pm
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Tracy,

Going back to page 104, when I was on Hornet about a week-and-a-half ago, I found the space in the image below, and was wondering if it was an original space, or post-war addition.

It's in hangar bay two, on the port side, opposite the aft end of the island.

It looks somewhat similar to the Bunker Hill space inquired about earlier, but seemingly a little smaller.

I hope to be on Lexington in about a week-and-a-half, and will check out her hangar deck for this space as well.

Thanks,

Mark


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:35 pm
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Tracy White wrote:
Neither kit is perfect. She came out of overhaul in February of 1944 in a fit that's different than either kit. She had the increased side quad 40mms like the CV-13 kit, but the early bridge quad 40mm and single stern quad 40mm like the CV-9 kit. You might be best of either trying to find a scrap kit of one for parts or getting a CV-13 kit and the Pontos CV-10 detail set (if you want that much work) as it has parts for both the single and double quad 40mm stern fits. You'd still have to rework the front of the island though, to add the quad 40mm that was there.


Thanks Tracy. Do you happen to know what her A/C looked like in 1944? :wave_1:
Post Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:53 pm
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Neither kit is perfect. She came out of overhaul in February of 1944 in a fit that's different than either kit. She had the increased side quad 40mms like the CV-13 kit, but the early bridge quad 40mm and single stern quad 40mm like the CV-9 kit. You might be best of either trying to find a scrap kit of one for parts or getting a CV-13 kit and the Pontos CV-10 detail set (if you want that much work) as it has parts for both the single and double quad 40mm stern fits. You'd still have to rework the front of the island though, to add the quad 40mm that was there.
Post Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:07 pm
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Would the Trumpeter USS Franklin kit or their USS Essex kit be better for a conversion to a 1944 Lexington? :wave_1:
Post Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:46 pm

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