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Topic review - Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!
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Have you looked through the Works in Progress and completed works sections?
Post Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:16 pm
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I am about to embark on building a 1/350 Trumpeter Yorktown (CV-10) (late 1944 w/Tom's PE set) and was looking for threads/websites that walk through build issues (such as fit) with this kit. Of course, this thread is a terrific resource, but I haven't been able to find a thread specifically focused on construction issues - any recommendations?
Post Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:12 pm
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Oh heck, who cares about the other people, I'm just talking about making it easier for yourself in the future! :big_grin:
Post Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:46 pm
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Now why would I want to make things easy for people?!
Post Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:40 pm
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It's not really helpful to the determination of that location, but in terms of referencing posts, if you click on the linked title next to "post subject" you get a URL that will link you directly to the post in question. The problem with referencing page numbers is that if the mods ever prune out large sections of posts (I probably pruned half of this thread over the years when I was a mod) or split out posts in the future, that page reference changes.

That photo appears to have been either slightly double exposed or shot in the hangar with a movie screen in the background through the window.
Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:30 pm
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After I went to bed last night, I realized linking "CVG-20" and "G-symbol" is incorrect. Official G-symbols didn't come into being until January 1945...

Tracy, yes, I agree and think my latest photo is the "HD CONT STA" (I would assume this means "hangar deck control station") around frame 105.

For the life of me I can't figure out where the Bunker Hill shot on page 103 was taken and I'm going to keep digging... :scratch:
Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:09 pm
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As Mark said, that would be Air Group 16, so try searches for VF-16 F6F-3, VB-16 SBD-5, VT-16 TBF/M-1C, and VF(N)-76 F6F-3N & TBF-1CN.
Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:47 am
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Cheers guys, I really want to model her when she and Enterprise covered the Hollandia invasions in April. Thanks again guys. Any pics of her or her airwing would be greatly appreciated. :wave_1:
Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:07 am
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MFH wrote:
If I may, when in 1944?


Beat me to it! :big_grin: 1944 was a long year.

With regard to the picture - check out the main deck level on this set of plans at the Historic Naval Ships Association site. Is it around frame 105? It was about the only area in bay 2 that matches the structure and hatch configuration. If so, then I'm 99% sure this is a post-war mod as I've never seen any textual description of such a station in any of the 1945 departure reports I have. That's close enough to where the aft center line elevator was on this ships that I don't think they'd want to restrict that side of the hangar bay.

However, the hangars on these ships changed just as much as the outside... there was just less action there, so we have less comprehensive photos to draw from. There's a chance this was done during the war and I haven't seen the documentation, but it certainly wasn't an "as built" feature.
Post Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:29 pm
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Do you happen to know what her A/C looked like in 1944? :wave_1:


If I may, when in 1944?

CVG-16 had tri-color F6F-3s, SBDs, and TBF/Ms (early 1944 through about July, i.e., the Turkey Shoot).

CVG-19 had sea blue F6F-5s, tri-color SB2Cs and TBF/Ms (~July through November, i.e., Philippines & Leyte Gulf, and each squadron had unique markings).

CVG-20 was basically the same as CVG-19, except they had Enterprise's old triangle G-symbol on their vertical stabilizers.

If you need more details, just ask! I can hunt up the specific dates, and there's fairly good photographic representation of Lexington's air groups for 1944.
Post Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:46 pm
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Tracy,

Going back to page 104, when I was on Hornet about a week-and-a-half ago, I found the space in the image below, and was wondering if it was an original space, or post-war addition.

It's in hangar bay two, on the port side, opposite the aft end of the island.

It looks somewhat similar to the Bunker Hill space inquired about earlier, but seemingly a little smaller.

I hope to be on Lexington in about a week-and-a-half, and will check out her hangar deck for this space as well.

Thanks,

Mark


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:35 pm
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Tracy White wrote:
Neither kit is perfect. She came out of overhaul in February of 1944 in a fit that's different than either kit. She had the increased side quad 40mms like the CV-13 kit, but the early bridge quad 40mm and single stern quad 40mm like the CV-9 kit. You might be best of either trying to find a scrap kit of one for parts or getting a CV-13 kit and the Pontos CV-10 detail set (if you want that much work) as it has parts for both the single and double quad 40mm stern fits. You'd still have to rework the front of the island though, to add the quad 40mm that was there.


Thanks Tracy. Do you happen to know what her A/C looked like in 1944? :wave_1:
Post Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:53 pm
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Neither kit is perfect. She came out of overhaul in February of 1944 in a fit that's different than either kit. She had the increased side quad 40mms like the CV-13 kit, but the early bridge quad 40mm and single stern quad 40mm like the CV-9 kit. You might be best of either trying to find a scrap kit of one for parts or getting a CV-13 kit and the Pontos CV-10 detail set (if you want that much work) as it has parts for both the single and double quad 40mm stern fits. You'd still have to rework the front of the island though, to add the quad 40mm that was there.
Post Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:07 pm
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Would the Trumpeter USS Franklin kit or their USS Essex kit be better for a conversion to a 1944 Lexington? :wave_1:
Post Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:46 pm
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Bunker Hill will be a while. I have about 4 or 5 1/350 ships ahead of her. I am trying to finish up a 1/350 Kearsarge SCB-27A ship I am doing but I keep getting bogged down. It is the Iron Ship Wright conversion set and it is a bit of a beast. At least I have the air wing done so that is half the battle. Ticonderogs (Gallery Intrepid) will be next, then Essex, and on it goes.
Post Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:55 am
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I was leaning towards the Yorktown kit after taking a look at the wooden flight deck upgrade set from Pontos. It seems like a really nice addition and has the stencils for both "13" and "17", so I am assuming the Yorktown mirrors Franklin and Bunker Hill so the differences come down to aircraft included in the kit?

Actually, just did some research here and see that the kits are considered indentical except for Franklin's included Corsairs, which I would want. I will have to be sure and follow your work on the kit Mark, and thanks for the tip.
Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:20 am
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PeeJay74 wrote:
Could someone help me out and recommend which of Trumpeter's 1/350 Essex class kits would be closest to USS Bunker Hill (CV-17) circa February 1945 during the Home Islands raids?

I build 1/48 WWII aircraft exclusively and came upon the idea of doing the entire lineup for CAG 84 during the raids (nothing spices up GSB paint schemes like a yellow nose and some white arrows!), and then I thought it would be a great project to add their ship to the mix for a really nice display. The aircraft particulars I can handle easily, but I'm admittedly clueless about ships. I didn't even realize there were so many camo schemes.

Trumpeter's line seems like a good fit for what I want to do, maybe a little PE added in to improve it without going off the deep end trying to make it 100% accurate. I would appreciate it if you guys could lend me some knowledge and experience to get me pointed in the right direction as I have no experience with ship kits or aftermarket.

Thanks in advance!



I am planning on using the Trumpeter CV-13 Franklin Kit. Should be pretty close with some potential mods to the mast's.
Post Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:59 pm
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Could someone help me out and recommend which of Trumpeter's 1/350 Essex class kits would be closest to USS Bunker Hill (CV-17) circa February 1945 during the Home Islands raids?

I build 1/48 WWII aircraft exclusively and came upon the idea of doing the entire lineup for CAG 84 during the raids (nothing spices up GSB paint schemes like a yellow nose and some white arrows!), and then I thought it would be a great project to add their ship to the mix for a really nice display. The aircraft particulars I can handle easily, but I'm admittedly clueless about ships. I didn't even realize there were so many camo schemes.

Trumpeter's line seems like a good fit for what I want to do, maybe a little PE added in to improve it without going off the deep end trying to make it 100% accurate. I would appreciate it if you guys could lend me some knowledge and experience to get me pointed in the right direction as I have no experience with ship kits or aftermarket.

Thanks in advance!
Post Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:55 am
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:wave_1: Question what would Lexington CV-16 have looked like in April 1944 radars, AA, visually, and structurally, Etc,during raids on Hollaindia as part of TF 58.3?
Post Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:52 pm
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Looked at a few photos of said opening and they all seem to show a metal screen or mesh covering it with 3 horizontal and 1 vertical metal brace. I think its an intake of some sort.

You can that symbol on a set of plans for CL-89 on bulkheads of fan rooms; Page 6 Main Deck.
http://www.hnsa.org/doc/plans/cl89.pdf
Post Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:34 pm

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