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Topic review - Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Rob, nice photo of Tico. Really looks good. Good luck with your build.
Post Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:26 am
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Hi, does anybody know whether the hangar catapult required the forward elevator to be up or down in order to be operated?
Thanks
Post Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:26 am
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OK I found this picture; so yes it needs to be removed :smallsmile:
Post Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:24 pm
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I am building a 1944 Ticonderoga from the 1/350 Trumpeter kit and have a question I'm hoping someone could answer: I have plugged the holes for the 40mm tubs and Mk51 directors but am curious about the location marked "X". This is where kit part 18 goes. I am guessing this represents a Clipping Room and should be removed and deleted also. Am I correct or is it something that should be there?
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Thanks for any help :smallsmile:
Post Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:39 pm
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Thank you, this is exactly the info I needed!
Post Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:08 am
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Vladi wrote:
Hi all,
I have a question concerning whip antennae that replaced the original radio masts on some Essex-class carriers in late WW2 - like those on this photo of USS Bunker Hill off Okinawa seen in the foreground at http://goo.gl/hlqacO . What I cannot figure out of the picture is if these were collapsible like the original radio masts during flight operations? I consider this very likely (in which case the two objects below the antennae platform would perhaps be hydraulic supports responsible for moving them). Does anyone have a photo or other information showing this?



Here you go. This photo is of Bunker Hill CV-17 on 11 May 1945 after the two Kamikazes hit. The Avenger tail wreckage gives some sense of the scale of the antenna's pivot mount and counterweight:

I hope that those who suffered that day found peace.


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:45 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
USS Hornet CV-12 in 1944 still had early island, hangar cat and one flight deck cat, so Trumpeter Essex would be much better as a starting point.
Post Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:10 am
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Thanks, before I tackle Wasp I want to cut my teeth on another Essex can Hornet in 1944 be built out of the Franklin box?
Post Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:54 pm
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10 Essex's were built as "short hulls", including CV's 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, 18, 20 & 31. All of these only had the one quad 40MM on the bow, and the mount barely peeked out from under the flightdeck. A later modification to the design put a second mount on the bow, but to improve the sky arcs, the bow was extended - the so called "long hulls". All 14 of the later Essex's were long hulls. During their modernizations in the 1950's, CV's 9, 10, 11, 12, 18 & 20 were converted to the long-hull bow. CV's 16 & 31 might have been converted too, but the enclosed bow was fitted before they recommissioned. At that time, their bow config was identical to CV-38, which had started as a long hull.
Post Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:36 am
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OK so Franklin it is then, I saw a photo of Wasp in August of 1945 and it appeared that she only had one gun tub under her bow, can anybody confirm? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/USS_Wasp_(CV-18).jpg
Post Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:04 pm
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Photos of Wasp on NAVSOURCE dated June 1945 show that she had both bow cats by then. That means using the Yorktown or Franklin since both kits have the two cats. That is one big difference from the Trumpy Essex. Check photos for the AA layout differences and I am sure there are some radar differences. I believe that Wasp had a starboard 40mm mounted at the main deck level aft that only a few Essex Class got in addition to the 3 mid ship under the island.

We will be looking for pics!

Good luck,

Mark
Post Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:21 pm
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task force 58 wrote:
What modification would the Essex kit need to be made into Wasp in August 1945?


Hi Task Force, are you talking the 1/350 Trumpeter Essex? If so that would be really tough; I would recommend the Yorktown or Franklin as a starting point. There are just so many things that would need to be changed/modified for 1945.
Post Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:29 pm
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What modification would the Essex kit need to be made into Wasp in August 1945?
Post Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:00 pm
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Thank you, Timmy!
Post Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:54 am
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Here is a photo of CV-14, showing her deck-edge antennae in the lowered position: http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/021497.jpg
Post Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:07 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Hi all,
I have a question concerning whip antennae that replaced the original radio masts on some Essex-class carriers in late WW2 - like those on this photo of USS Bunker Hill off Okinawa seen in the foreground at http://goo.gl/hlqacO . What I cannot figure out of the picture is if these were collapsible like the original radio masts during flight operations? I consider this very likely (in which case the two objects below the antennae platform would perhaps be hydraulic supports responsible for moving them). Does anyone have a photo or other information showing this?
Post Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:55 am
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Rob-UK wrote:
Apologies if you're already familiar with this, but I've just found the amazing full color hour long documenary film of an Essex class carrier (USS Yorktown) in 1943-1944, great viewing to see all round the carrier in operation in full color.

As well as a good modelling reference, This is an hour well spent getting intimate with an Essex class carrier at war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5JbXRDOP60

also has a Wiki entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fighting_Lady



The Fighting Lady is an absolut classic among the WWII documentaries...! :-)

cheers
Uwe
Post Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:56 pm
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I'm hoping in all the vast knowledge that exists on this sight someone might have some info on this.
While collecting as much info for a 1/350 Bunker Hill build I have noticed something that baffles me .
This picture shows the island and it is definitely Bunker Hill because that is her scoreboard on bulkhead, also note aircraft to the rear. Also as noted on prior posts what looks to be a Mk 51 tub fwd of the bridge.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/021739.jpg
This second picture shows Bunker Hill w/ same and additional 40mm gun tubes to the Port aft would seem to indicate after Bremerton refit which upgraded her AA.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/021733.jpg
What baffles me is that the ship is clearly fitted with an SK2 radar…
However in one of the most iconic pictures of all of WWII at the time of the kamikaze attack she clearly has an SK radar???
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/021701.jpg
All subsequent photos of Bunker hill, even after her rebuild from the attack show an SK and the absence of any Mk 51 tube.
From all that I have ever read about the Bunker Hill it has been stated that she never again operated with an Airwing following her rebuid; meaning the pictures with the SK2 radar had to be PRIOR to the May 11, 1945 attack. Can anybody explain this? I’m really curious.
Post Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:24 pm
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Cliffy B wrote:
Hey Ed, PM me an e-mail and I can send you a bunch of photos I've accrued of CV-32 if they'll help. She's the subject of one of my projects and I rummaged for awhile for photos so if will help you I'll gladly send them along :thumbs_up_1:


THanks Cliffy! PM inbound :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:58 pm
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Mark McKinnis wrote:
Hi Ed, Merry Christmas!


The DML Princeton kit will make into a Leyte pretty much out of the box. Dragon even gives you decals for her. She was an ASW Carrier so the S-2s and Helo's from the kit are also period accurate for you. Air Officer may refer to the Air Boss by todays name.

Good luck!

MM

Thanks Mark & Merry Christmas to you & yours! :thumbs_up_1: Thanks for the input on the DML Princeton kit. Wish I could afford one but,I can hardly pay attention right now as I'm that broke :Oops_1:

Ok, so, Air Officer may be the same as Air Boss. Ok, that sounds reasonable. I do know he was a Naval Aviator since 1941 at NAS Pensacola. His twin brother Herbert Charles SHIVELY went in at the same time & ended up flying Catalinas with VP-53!
Post Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:57 pm

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