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Topic review - Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!
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Note that in the second, yard side photo, that the weld lines from the sponson that replaced the catapult flipper are visible (not strictly weld lines, just a rough cut not ground down). If you get a close enough photo you can see the same thing generally for the starboard side sponsons.
Post Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:52 am
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anj4de wrote:
I guess this explains also why Intrepid's were cut of in that picture. I guess she is on her way from mothballs to an east coast yard to receive SCB-27? The 40mm positions are also gone!

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cheers
Uwe
Post Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:22 am
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Post Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:33 am
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Tracy White wrote:
I can't remember which ship - I think it is Philippine Sea but I can't remember where the photos are or if they're online. It's post war, heading east through the Panama Canal, and a couple of the sponsons were cut off and set on the flight deck for the transit.


Found it! It was Philippine Sea. Note that these are not the starboard side sponsons but the quad 40mm "bumps" on the outboard side of the port-side sponson that replaced the catapult flipper. They're the two structures outboard of the left scout plane.


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:05 pm
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Well, it's also a big hang out party with friends now too. Hang out, research, talk history, have the shared experience of lunch made by the lowest bidder (government contract, but better than MREs by a bit). I really do have to start finishing books though.
Post Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:36 am
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You have a passion Tracy, and its greatly appreciated!
Post Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:57 pm
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I pay a couple of grand a year to go to archives, so FOld3 is "cheap" in comparison and I have an annual subscription to save me time when I'm on site at archives. :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:33 pm
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BINGO. Thanks Tracy!!!!

I forget about that Fold3 site, maybe cause ya gotta pay. LOL.
Post Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:57 pm
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Checked out her War Diaries on Fold3 and on June 22 she reports "Entered No. 4 Graving Dock, Navy Yard, for availability in connection with increase to 40mm armament." She reports "Navy Yard, Pearl Harbor Availability" from June 23 - July 14th but doesn't report when she left dry dock. She fueled up on the 15th, so certainly before then.
Post Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:56 pm
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Antietam stopped at San Diego from June 10-13 1945 after passing thru the canal. She hit Pearl on June 19th.
I found a couple diary entries on Google books that on July 18th Antietam had gunnery practice out of Pearl.
Thats a month from when she arrived, ample time to get them installed given the grueling pace of repair work.
Post Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:16 pm
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I've been going through Hancock's departure report tonight and Pearl Harbor Navy Yard was ordered to fabricate Hancock's.
Post Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:18 am
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Tracy White wrote:
The sponsons themselves were manufactured at the west coast yards for sure, never seen photos of them being built at Pearl Harbor or forward of the west coast, although I haven't seen anything that shows they weren't.
Hancock received her outboards at Pearl during her repair. (Had she hit one of the west coast yards she would most likely have had her flightdeck extended to full length.) Also, I believe that neither Antietam nor Boxer stopped at a west coast yard en route west. But both were at Pearl. Of course, that doesn't say where the sponsons were fabricated. But it would be easier to fabricate on site than to ship the parts pre-fabbed.
Post Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:04 am
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raggs wrote:
Back to my orig question, do I use the Trumpy Tico for my 1/700 Atietam build.


It looks like so.

anj4de wrote:
Critical Past asks 200$ for those 2min of footage...! :big_eyes:
Not sure if this is the current rate for public domain material?


You're actually paying for their time to go to the archives, get a good set up, and record the footage. While I can empathize with the desire to get all of our research for free, not everyone can work for free. I used to think that the $80 I spent on a Maryland Silver plans book was over priced, but after researching myself and having to deal with the microfilm, and realizing that that book probably took a couple of weeks of going through microfilm, then paying the reproduction costs for each printed page that gets turned into a page of the book, then the time to assemble all of that and get it printed and bound..... there's a reason that stuff costs money.
Post Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:12 am
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anj4de, both videos show without those 3 starboard sponsons.
Post Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:00 pm
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NICE JOB FELLAS!!

I really appreciate the input. Looks like we can midships triple quad question to rest.

So,,,,,

Back to my orig question, do I use the Trumpy Tico for my 1/700 Atietam build.
Post Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:57 pm
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Tracy White wrote:
raggs wrote:
Tracy, if you see signs that these guns were installed then removed, would you please show me how you came to that conclusion. Thats interesting.




anj4de wrote:
Does anybody have it without?


US National Archives, 4th floor. That's where Critical Past records their footage. They should have links to where you can pay for non-watermarked versions of the clips if you can't make it to archives.


Critical Past asks 200$ for those 2min of footage...! :big_eyes:
Not sure if this is the current rate for public domain material?

cheers
Uwe

PS: Got..."Franklin, Honor restored" the other day. I can highly recommenend that DVD. The color footage at the beginning, is that Franklin? It's a short hull for sure...
Post Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:19 pm
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raggs wrote:
Tracy, if you see signs that these guns were installed then removed, would you please show me how you came to that conclusion. Thats interesting.


If you're talking on the ship itself, well that question has been answered.

However, the sponsons themselves were merely welded to the outside of the ship. There was no heavy "wing spar" type of structure to brace them. Clipping was done inside the ship and passed through the doors to the sponsons. I can't remember which ship - I think it is Philippine Sea but I can't remember where the photos are or if they're online. It's post war, heading east through the Panama Canal, and a couple of the sponsons were cut off and set on the flight deck for the transit. I have photos of sponsons after fabrication at Puget Sound Naval Shipyard and they're just sitting in the bottom of a drydock in storage (they're in the background of a photo and I'm not sure . There's not a lot to them. You can see their outline in some post-war shots where they were cut off.

The Franklin shots were most likely white paint and not tarp.

anj4de wrote:
Does naybody have it without?


US National Archives, 4th floor. That's where Critical Past records their footage. They should have links to where you can pay for non-watermarked versions of the clips if you can't make it to archives.
Post Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:11 pm
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USS Shangri La at the return from WWII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV33lffjDzQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4WwOgjKdRE

Unfortunately a large water sign in the footage! Does naybody have it without? There are also a few seconds of Hancock in the first film...again covered by that dreadful water mark!

cheers
Uwe
Post Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:39 pm
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USS Shangri-La
July 1945 http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/023870.jpg No
3 September 1945 http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/023818.jpg No

USS Essex
March 1945 http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020947.jpg No

USS Bennington
July 1945 http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/022012.jpg No

USS Hornet
March 1945 http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/0212ab.jpg No
September 1945 http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/021269.jpg Yes following repairs from June typhoon & refit
Post Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:15 pm
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So are the Bennington & Shang the only wartime delivery ships that didnt get the midship 40 mm mounts?


And Essex, I believe.
Post Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:58 pm

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