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Topic review - Calling all Escort Carriers (CVE) fans
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Thanks!
Post Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 12:47 pm
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http://www.hnsa.org/doc/plans/cve53-d79.pdf
Post Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 10:32 am
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Thanks, Tracy! After staring into it for more I tend to agree. Especially as I cannot see larger cabins of any other types.
Post Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 2:32 am
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I'm pretty sure those are all Wildcats. Not 100% sure, but pretty sure.
Post Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 8:14 pm
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Dear Tracy, thanks a lot for your reply!
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Have you looked over her Navsource page?[?URL] They have some Attu pictures there. Looks like a fairly standard setup - I would compare the photos to http://hnsa.org/doc/plans/acv6.pdf this reference plan (page 13).

Yes I saw the Navsource - and thanks for pointing me to the plan! There was most probably no time to make any modifications to her before Attu so we can assume she was as-built (and that they builders adhered to the plan of the class).
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On board the Nassau, there was one squadron of 24 pilots with 26 F4F Wildcat airplanes; three Marine pilots and three photographic F4Fs, and a SOC-3a aircraft.

This is really interesting. Unfortunately the Navsource photos are taken from a distance and the resolution is quite low. Do you think that the a/c on http://www.navsource.org/archives/03/0301602.jpg (enlarged below) are all Wildcats? Theyx may be, but some on the right look to me like having wider undercarriage than F4F, but the photo is very blurred to be sure. The most forward one in the centre may even have rounded wing tips (SBD?) but it may have just been obscured by something/someone...
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(Ms 21) Most likely - Measure 14 is a possibility, but I haven't found anything yet that says either way.

Exactly. Thanks!


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Post Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 1:53 am
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Vladi wrote:
- info on her AA guns configuration (preferably a drawing)


Have you looked over her Navsource page?[?URL] They have some Attu pictures there. Looks like a fairly standard setup - I would compare the photos to [URL=http://hnsa.org/doc/plans/acv6.pdf]this reference plan (page 13).

Vladi wrote:
- info on her aircraft complement and units - so far I know about VMF-155 with F4Fs and VO-155 with SBDs. Dis she carry also Avengers at that time? What number of a/c per type?


She's not really included in the aircraft summaries for the time, but "[URL=http://www.amazon.com/Low-Ceiling-World-Pilots-Diary/dp/0533142822]Low Ceiling
" by R. L. (Dix) Loesch has this in the preface (page viii):

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On board the Nassau, there was one squadron of 24 pilots with 26 F4F Wildcat airplanes; three Marine pilots and three photographic F4Fs, and a SOC-3a aircraft.


Vladi wrote:
- although info on her camouflage in 1943 is missing at http://www.shipcamouflage.com/usn_cve.htm I believe she carried Ms 21 like most other ships in that timeframe


Most likely - Measure 14 is a possibility, but I haven't found anything yet that says either way.
Post Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 8:38 pm
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Hi guys,
does anyone have any more detailed info about USS Nassau at the time of Attu invasion in 1943?
Specifically, I would need
- info on her AA guns configuration (preferably a drawing)
- info on her aircraft complement and units - so far I know about VMF-155 with F4Fs and VO-155 with SBDs. Dis she carry also Avengers at that time? What number of a/c per type?
- although info on her camouflage in 1943 is missing at http://www.shipcamouflage.com/usn_cve.htm I believe she carried Ms 21 like most other ships in that timeframe
Thanks!
Post Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 5:40 am
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Would anyone here who frequents this CVE thread be willing to please answer my question on another thread about HMS Nabob's paint scheme below?

"HMS Nabob: paint scheme question" thread
Post Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:07 am
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Dear Jose and others,
I stumbled across this thread since i have plans to build 1/72 waterline model of the Rapana Class MAC ship HMS Macoma
.I have some drawings in good side and topviews but no hull drawings. The Macoma was a 146 m x18 m hull width and 12000 tons. Would the Casablanca class hull drawings or any other escort carrier drawings available provide enough similarity and basis to draw my own hull cross sections? after all, Most of the Escortcarriers were based on bulky merchantmen and tankers and they all had basic hull shapes I believe...

If so, is there anyone who can provide we with suitable hull drawings?

best regards

Bert
Post Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:32 am
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NCMac wrote:
I am building a Tamiya Bogue as U.S.S. Nassau post April 1944 Mare Island refit, that is, with the "dazzle camouflage"
Mac

How goes your build, Mac?

By coincidence, I've just acquired the kit and plan to build it as Nassau prior to your chosen period; in Measure 14. I'm wondering about that big radar Tamiya provides (molded rather like 1/2 of a waffle iron :doh_1:). So many surviving photos have the radars censored out. Does anyone have info on what radar the class (or member ships) carried as commissioned, or what antennas may have been changed/added during the war?
TIA
Harold
Post Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:29 am
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Carter wrote:
Is anyone familiar with the Five Star 1/700 photo etch set for the Tamiya Bogue?

http://www.hobbyeasy.com/en/page/data_image.html?code=iyyxe8pu2ltqvkeqeib0&image=/upload/suppliers/HOBBY1234/FS700025.jpg

Thanks!


I was about to ask the same question to until I saw this post.

It 'looks' good, maybe I will have to jump in the deep end and get in and then let you know.
Post Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:33 am
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Is anyone familiar with the Five Star 1/700 photo etch set for the Tamiya Bogue?

http://www.hobbyeasy.com/en/page/data_image.html?code=iyyxe8pu2ltqvkeqeib0&image=/upload/suppliers/HOBBY1234/FS700025.jpg

Thanks!
Post Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:49 pm
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I have a lot of Bogue class photos, but they're all pretty early in the ships' service, before dazzle schemes. I've been looking for deck marking documentation for a long time for the Essex class, but have come across nothing of real consequence for any of the carriers.
Post Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:08 am
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Tracy,

Thanks, your point about yard photos with regards to decks is very well taken. NavSource has two deck photos from an August 1943 yard period and the repair clutter, stores, and general messiness is evident. The photos from the April 1944 period has bow, stern, port, and starboard views of the measure 32 (or 33) but nothing of the flight deck.

I keep coming back to the ships that do clearly display flight deck numbers (Attu & Bismarck Sea) are Casablancas rather than Bogues. Where I did find deck photos of other Bogues they didn't appear to display numbers. I'm not convinced Nassau didn't carry numbers; I just can't confirm that she did.

This is my first carrier build and I confess to a lack of carrier knowledge. I thought there might be a document(s) that addressed flight deck numbers known to some of our members but unknown to me. It seems this may be an area worthy of further research.

Thanks again to you and Timmy.

Mac
Post Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:52 pm
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From the received plans of the Dixmude, it appears that it doesn't match the C3 Victory ship plans I have. Although I still have to compare the lines of both, the bow is definitaly not a Victory ship bow, the hull shape could however be more similar, this I have to check out.
The Dixmude plan is a docking plan, it only contains 10 (half) frames. We'll see where we get, still have to finish the other builds before I can really get started.
Post Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:19 am
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NCMac wrote:
My thought is that the Bogues weren't often used in operational groups where aircrews needed to distinguish between largely identical carriers.


Possible, I wouldn't bet my life on it. One thing to keep in mind with Yard photos is that the decks were always the last thing painted, because of the beating they took from equipment as it was being moved around. So for carriers or ships with deck patterns shots dockside are not a good source. Not germane to this conversation at this point, but perhaps later, depending on what you dig up. For what it's worth, I couldn't find any dazzle-painted Bogue class CVE photos in my research materials.
Post Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:36 am
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Attu also has numbers both fore and aft while in camo (you can see the aft one just barely in the linked photo, and a much clearer one on Navsource), if that changes anything.
Post Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:27 pm
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Thanks Timmy,

That's about what my surfing through NavSource got me.

My thought is that the Bogues weren't often used in operational groups where aircrews needed to distinguish between largely identical carriers. The Casablancas were, notably "Taffy" groups, and I think more likely to carry deck markings. Don't really have enough photographic evidence to support this but it's the best I can do.

Interesting note on the Charger photo. Couldn't help but notice the large white "X" aft on the deck. In a photo further along on NavSource, they identify the "X" as meaning the flight deck isn't operational, yet it is one ship that does clearly displays numbers both fore and aft!

Anyway, think I'll build without without number. If a photo turns up I can always add it.

Thanks again,

Mac
Post Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:24 pm
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Some did, sometimes - here are a couple examples:
Bismarck Sea: http://www.navsource.org/archives/03/0309506.jpg
Attu, in both dazzle and with flight deck numbers: http://www.navsource.org/archives/03/0310204.jpg
Charger: http://www.navsource.org/archives/03/0303001.jpg
Post Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:58 pm
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Hello gentlemen,

Did U.S. CVEs display flight deck ship numbers?

To be more specific, I am building a Tamiya Bogue as U.S.S. Nassau post April 1944 Mare Island refit, that is, with the "dazzle camouflage" and it doesn't appear that she wore any flight deck numbers but I'd like to be sure. I can't seem to find any aerial views of her while wearing dazzle. I don't see any numbers in any of the views I do have.

Thanks for any assistance.

Mac
Post Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:38 am

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