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Topic review - Calling all IJN Soryu/Hiryu class Fans!
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Available kits and gallery entries for Hiryu (courtesy of Dan Kaplan) added to the first page.
Post Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:21 pm
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Rob Weilacher wrote:
Second Question: There is a very, very detailed build of Hiryu here, does anyone know of the accuracy ?:
http://mmzone.co.kr/album/showcase.php? ... 0#end_page

Thank you,
Rob

The weathering doesn't look too bad to me above the waterline, but that amount of rust on the lower hull is wrong. It would more likely be covered with marine growth, but since you only build waterline it's not a problem. As usual, Dan K is correct about the deck load. Common practice for the Japanese was to split the offensive types between in each carrier division pair. That simplified logistics for the armorers.
Post Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:42 pm
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Frist question: A lot of IJN ships had ropes and sandbags along the island and around gun positions - did Hiryu have these features at either Midway or Pearl Harbor ?


Yes. Certainly around the bridge, as that was the custom (see photos below). Probably around the 25mm positions, less certain about the 12.7cm mounts, though there may have been hawser ropes hung to either side as splinter shields. The photographic record is spotty.

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Second Question: There is a very, very detailed build of Hiryu here, does anyone know of the accuracy ?:


It is a very nice build, though weathered a bit much for my taste. It is generally accurate, though the spotted air group is all wrong. The practice was to spot fighters and either dive bombers or torpedo planes. The doctrine was to launch a balanced strike of all three types between the two ships of a carrier division, with both ships contributing fighters, and the other ship in the division (Soryu) contributing whichever type was not spotted on Hiryu. A maximum strike package on one carrier would be 9-12 Zeros (most likely 9) and 18-21 DBs or TBs. The two blue stripes are correct, as Hiryu was the #2 ship in the 2nd CarDiv.


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Post Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:58 pm
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All,

I am getting ready to start my 1/700 Fujimi Hiryu, (probably circa Midway, but maybe Pearl Harbor instead) so I will have lots of questions, since I typically do not do IJN, but have long admired the ships and fine models out there !

Frist question: A lot of IJN ships had ropes and sandbags along the island and around gun positions - did Hiryu have these features at either Midway or Pearl Harbor ?

Second Question: There is a very, very detailed build of Hiryu here, does anyone know of the accuracy ?:
http://mmzone.co.kr/album/showcase.php? ... 0#end_page

Thank you,
Rob
Post Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:14 pm
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thank you all.

Rob
Post Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:19 pm
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It's hard to find a color match right out of the bottle. I have yet to find one. Custom mixes help but, IMHO, you'll still need a wash of sorts to bring out orange tones. If you do a burnt umber wash over the Tamiya Deck Tan XF-78, you'll get a pretty good version. Varying the amount of burnt umber changes the tone.

There's no clear photo of a Hiryu mount, so it's not clear which version was appropriate for Hiryu. The mounts differ only in that there's a small cover over the recoil tubes and breaches. It appears that the Shokakus had them, and the FM site says Soryu did as well, so ........................?
Post Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:25 am
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actually, I think that #3 Tamiya dark Yellow is better
Post Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:45 pm
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I have done numerous carriers and Tamiya's Sand #46 is a good match for the yellow flight deck.
Post Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:42 pm
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I am doing a little research for an upcoming build of Hiryu and have some questions:
1. Does anyone know a good deck color for IJN carriers ? Tamiya’s deck tan acrylic is not orange enough, I think.
2. Which Fine Mold Type 89 twin 12.7 cm gun set is appropriate ? WA13 or WA31 ?

Thank you,
Rob
Post Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:14 pm
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It was very similar to the platform on the Shokakus. Just thought of these pics:


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:36 pm
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Thanks Dan. I think you are correct that Fujimi simply has it too high. I will see if I can determine the actual height of the platform off the boat deck.
Post Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:59 am
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As you can imagine, photos of that area are a bit sparse. Everything I could find is below, lightened for better visibility. There was a walkway that wrapped around the rear of the bulkhead, sitting right above storage for a boat. Sounds like it's just placed too high by Fujimi.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:48 am
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Building the 1/350 Hiryu, I have run into an issue. The aft bulkhead for the hangar has some platforms on it that have PE railing. That railing is butting up against the PE assembly for the flight deck support beams. So something is off. Does anyone have any pictures from the boat deck looking forward?
Post Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:29 am
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I actually don't know if it is correct or not. I don't know what references were used, and I don't have any detailed plan sets of Soryu.
Post Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:03 am
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Dan, thank you very much for the info provided. I assume the frequency of the "landing strip lights" on the model is just a sort of artist's impression...
Post Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:29 am
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Well, there's two kinds of deck lighting. One is the larger, hooded lights that sit along the very edge of the deck, from midships to aft, that were used to illuminate the deck for flight deck preparations, and actual night time operations.

The other, as seen on the model, is sort of the equivalent of strip lighting on board a passenger aircraft cabin. It's meant to be a guide to the edge of the deck for the pilots while still maneuvering on the flight deck in low light situations.

We don't always see them, and I think that may be because they might have been hinged. The first photo shows one up close on Zuikaku's flight deck, and it looks like it might be hinged. I'm not certain if they are as numerous as depicted on the Soryu model. FWIW. Both types can be seen in the Soryu photo.


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:07 am
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Hi all,

please, would any one know anything about the flight-deck-ligthing used on the Kido Butai carriers? I am aware of this article mentioning "white lights along centerline and deck edges (full length of flight deck)." However, I've never seen any pictures of these. Or maybe I've seen but didn't notice. :-)

I know the article covers Akagi and Kaga but I assume the same approach was applied to Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku and Zuikaku.

What brought this question on my mind were colleagues discussing this picture and the small white dots along the flight deck...

Thank you in advance!

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:16 am
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I agree with both points.
Post Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:14 pm
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Yep the alcohol works and a lil distilled water added. Good paint if fresh.
Post Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:56 pm
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when I do use Tamiya paints I use isopropyl alcohol to thin the paint and I get a good finish from it.
Post Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:59 am

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