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DavidP wrote: DougC, did not Sara have that list before the stack was cut done & before the heavier 8" gun mounts were replaced with the lighter weight 5" gun mounts? Sara had a permanent list of 3 degrees to starboard when she was launched. Cutting the stack and replacing the 8"ers with 5"ers still did not put her on an even keel. Hence, the larger blister.
[quote="DavidP"]DougC, did not Sara have that list before the stack was cut done & before the heavier 8" gun mounts were replaced with the lighter weight 5" gun mounts?[/quote]
Sara had a permanent list of 3 degrees to starboard when she was launched. Cutting the stack and replacing the 8"ers with 5"ers still did not put her on an even keel. Hence, the larger blister.
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:44 pm |
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DavidP wrote: Did not Sara have that list before the stack was cut down & before the heavier 8" gun mounts were replaced with the lighter weight 5" gun mounts? The list was countered by having certain fuel spaces to starboard remain empty at all times. That meant that twice that volume of fuel was unusable, the corresponding tanks on the port side having to remain full at all times. The blister counterbalanced the island and allowed all of the fuel tanks to be properly utilized, extending the ship's range.
[quote="DavidP"]Did not Sara have that list before the stack was cut down & before the heavier 8" gun mounts were replaced with the lighter weight 5" gun mounts?[/quote] The list was countered by having certain fuel spaces to starboard remain empty at all times. That meant that twice that volume of fuel was unusable, the corresponding tanks on the port side having to remain full at all times. The blister counterbalanced the island and allowed all of the fuel tanks to be properly utilized, extending the ship's range.
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2023 1:01 pm |
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why is Sara's starboard blister more massive then her port blister?
The weight of the island and the heavy guns gave the Sara a list to starboard (about 3 degrees). The larger blister was to correct this.
why is Sara's starboard blister more massive then her port blister?
The weight of the island and the heavy guns gave the Sara a list to starboard (about 3 degrees). The larger blister was to correct this.
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:12 pm |
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Here's a good shot showing the port blister: https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... 89185.htmlSuspect DavidP thinks the blister was the typical low-to-the-waterline affair that's only visible amidships rather than this much higher and forward affair.
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Here's a good shot showing the port blister: https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nara-series/19-n/19-N-80000/19-N-89185.html
Suspect DavidP thinks the blister was the typical low-to-the-waterline affair that's only visible amidships rather than this much higher and forward affair.
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:03 pm |
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Photos clearly show the blister evident on both sides of CV-6. I don't understand how this can be disputed... The drawing linked in the last post is highly suspect and very basic. I would not use it except as a very general reference for the ship... if you're still not convinced, the ship's camouflage pattern drawing (derived from the BOGP) shows the blister on both sides: https://www.history.navy.mil/our-collec ... 70022.html
Photos clearly show the blister evident on both sides of CV-6. I don't understand how this can be disputed...
The drawing linked in the last post is highly suspect and very basic. I would not use it except as a very general reference for the ship... if you're still not convinced, the ship's camouflage pattern drawing (derived from the BOGP) shows the blister on both sides: https://www.history.navy.mil/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nara-series/80-g/80-G-100000/80-G-170022.html
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 1:30 pm |
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DavidP wrote: Martin, no blister is shown on the portside as only starboard side would be visible as visible above waterline. Are you saying that there was no blister above the waterline on the port side? That is incorrect and a port side blister can clearly be seen above the waterline in the referenced photo. Unlike Saratoga, Enterprise's blisters were symmetrical.
[quote="DavidP"]Martin, no blister is shown on the portside as only starboard side would be visible as visible above waterline.[/quote]Are you saying that there was no blister above the waterline on the port side? That is incorrect and a port side blister can clearly be seen above the waterline in the referenced photo. Unlike Saratoga, Enterprise's blisters were symmetrical.
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:47 pm |
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DavidP wrote: Martin, no blister is shown on the portside as only starboard side would be visible as visible above waterline. Dude - I just reposted what the CV-6 FB posted. Thought people might find it interesting. I certainly had not seen this picture before.
[quote="DavidP"]Martin, no blister is shown on the portside as only starboard side would be visible as visible above waterline.[/quote] Dude - I just reposted what the CV-6 FB posted. Thought people might find it interesting. I certainly had not seen this picture before.
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:46 pm |
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From the USS Enterprise (CV-6) Facebook page: USS Enterprise (CV-6) alongside Pier K at the Brooklyn Navy Yard in New York in June 1958. She was sold on 1 July 1958 to the Lipsett Corporation of New York City for scrapping at Kearny, New Jersey.
This rare color photo of post-war Enterprise gives a good appreciation of the blisters that were added to her hull in 1943.Attachment:
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From the USS Enterprise (CV-6) Facebook page:
[i]USS Enterprise (CV-6) alongside Pier K at the Brooklyn Navy Yard in New York in June 1958. She was sold on 1 July 1958 to the Lipsett Corporation of New York City for scrapping at Kearny, New Jersey.
This rare color photo of post-war Enterprise gives a good appreciation of the blisters that were added to her hull in 1943.[/i] [attachment=0]CV6_1958.jpg[/attachment]
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:18 pm |
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She had 4 quad 40MM and one quad 1.1 (on the bow) at that time. The painting guide drawing shows a number of errors for Enterprise in that fit, including (but not limited to) the degausing cable arrangement, the upper bridge, and the radar outfit, part of which Martin already mentioned.
She had 4 quad 40MM and one quad 1.1 (on the bow) at that time. The painting guide drawing shows a number of errors for Enterprise in that fit, including (but not limited to) the degausing cable arrangement, the upper bridge, and the radar outfit, part of which Martin already mentioned.
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:35 pm |
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(4) quad and (4) twin Bofors 40mm Cannon.
(4) quad and (4) twin Bofors 40mm Cannon.
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:33 pm |
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aguzman9 wrote: Could somebody help me of what year represent the 1/200 scale CV-6 Enterprise Trumpeter kit?, I belive the kit represents the Big E at the Battle of Santa Cruz in October, 1942, but is missing the radar that sits on a platform on the starboard side of the island. Aftermarket sets may have that included. She was Navy Blue at that time, with deck blue decks, Norfolk 250 flight deck and yellow deck stripes.
[quote="aguzman9"]Could somebody help me of what year represent the 1/200 scale CV-6 Enterprise Trumpeter kit?,[/quote] I belive the kit represents the Big E at the Battle of Santa Cruz in October, 1942, but is missing the radar that sits on a platform on the starboard side of the island. Aftermarket sets may have that included.
She was Navy Blue at that time, with deck blue decks, Norfolk 250 flight deck and yellow deck stripes.
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:45 am |
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Base on my review of the Trumpeter 1/700 CV-6 kit, I have the following: (8) 5" 38-Caliber Dual-Purpose Gun (1) Quad 1.1" 75-Caliber Cannon (4) Bofors 40mm Cannon (47) Oerlikon Single 20mm Machine Gun (4) Bofors 40mm Cannon
the parts are to small to compare with the real images but for the amount of guns looks like the configuration of this kit is for 10/43 if you think the same. Thanks
Base on my review of the Trumpeter 1/700 CV-6 kit, I have the following: (8) 5" 38-Caliber Dual-Purpose Gun (1) Quad 1.1" 75-Caliber Cannon (4) Bofors 40mm Cannon (47) Oerlikon Single 20mm Machine Gun (4) Bofors 40mm Cannon
the parts are to small to compare with the real images but for the amount of guns looks like the configuration of this kit is for 10/43 if you think the same. Thanks
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:33 am |
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Could somebody help me of what year represent the 1/200 scale CV-6 Enterprise Trumpeter kit?, I was looking the paint instructions that comes with the kit and is showing Ocean Gray 2157 for the entire carrier, red at the bottom of the hull and Deck Blue 2159 for the deck, I was checking the guns location at the 1942 and is showing more but less than the 1944 (Gordon G. Buttars), the attached image is from the 1/700 Trumpeter kit that I have and it is showing the same amount of guns. Thanks in advance Alex
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Could somebody help me of what year represent the 1/200 scale CV-6 Enterprise Trumpeter kit?, I was looking the paint instructions that comes with the kit and is showing Ocean Gray 2157 for the entire carrier, red at the bottom of the hull and Deck Blue 2159 for the deck, I was checking the guns location at the 1942 and is showing more but less than the 1944 (Gordon G. Buttars), the attached image is from the 1/700 Trumpeter kit that I have and it is showing the same amount of guns. Thanks in advance Alex
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:34 pm |
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Dick J wrote: aguzman9 wrote: Hi, my name is Alex Guzman and I am planning to build a 1/48 scale CV-6 Enterprise from the 1942, What timeframe are you planning? 1942 was a year in which configurations were in flux for most US ships. Enterprise had one configuration up to March, then AA alterations that took her through June. Further alterations in June/July lasted until September, at which time more alterations changed her to the state she remained in through the end of 1942. Which of the time periods did you have in mind? I don't know which of them will be the best base on the information available, that why I am contacting you and get help for my project, I started working on the plates drawing and I was confused with the information posted on the web, is possible to find like a table with the changes or options for the CV-6 Enterprise? Thanks in advance
[quote="Dick J"][quote="aguzman9"]Hi, my name is Alex Guzman and I am planning to build a 1/48 scale CV-6 Enterprise from the 1942,[/quote] What timeframe are you planning? 1942 was a year in which configurations were in flux for most US ships. Enterprise had one configuration up to March, then AA alterations that took her through June. Further alterations in June/July lasted until September, at which time more alterations changed her to the state she remained in through the end of 1942. Which of the time periods did you have in mind?[/quote]
I don't know which of them will be the best base on the information available, that why I am contacting you and get help for my project, I started working on the plates drawing and I was confused with the information posted on the web, is possible to find like a table with the changes or options for the CV-6 Enterprise? Thanks in advance
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2023 10:31 pm |
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aguzman9 wrote: Hi, my name is Alex Guzman and I am planning to build a 1/48 scale CV-6 Enterprise from the 1942, What timeframe are you planning? 1942 was a year in which configurations were in flux for most US ships. Enterprise had one configuration up to March, then AA alterations that took her through June. Further alterations in June/July lasted until September, at which time more alterations changed her to the state she remained in through the end of 1942. Which of the time periods did you have in mind?
[quote="aguzman9"]Hi, my name is Alex Guzman and I am planning to build a 1/48 scale CV-6 Enterprise from the 1942,[/quote] What timeframe are you planning? 1942 was a year in which configurations were in flux for most US ships. Enterprise had one configuration up to March, then AA alterations that took her through June. Further alterations in June/July lasted until September, at which time more alterations changed her to the state she remained in through the end of 1942. Which of the time periods did you have in mind?
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2023 8:32 pm |
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aguzman9 wrote: Hi, my name is Alex Guzman and I am planning to build a 1/48 scale CV-6 Enterprise from the 1942, I trying to get as many information, books, pictures and all that will help me with this project but no much is there, that is why I am writing this new topic to see if I can get as much information as possible, I know that this model will be large but I think I can do it, my experience with a large scale model airplanes will help but I know that my knowledge about boats and ships is not good, I also got a 1/200 scale model and the upgrade details (pontos and MK1) that may help me by using this as a base, now I am working on the frames and shape of the hull plans by using old plans from the web but still not showing all of them, I also contacted some companies that may have something but still waiting for the response, finally I checked two builders that build a 1/200 on Youtube and they really showed a amazing quality. Thanks in advance Alex Merged into CV-6 thread. Please read through this thread and post specific questions that are outstanding.
[quote="aguzman9"]Hi, my name is Alex Guzman and I am planning to build a 1/48 scale CV-6 Enterprise from the 1942, I trying to get as many information, books, pictures and all that will help me with this project but no much is there, that is why I am writing this new topic to see if I can get as much information as possible, I know that this model will be large but I think I can do it, my experience with a large scale model airplanes will help but I know that my knowledge about boats and ships is not good, I also got a 1/200 scale model and the upgrade details (pontos and MK1) that may help me by using this as a base, now I am working on the frames and shape of the hull plans by using old plans from the web but still not showing all of them, I also contacted some companies that may have something but still waiting for the response, finally I checked two builders that build a 1/200 on Youtube and they really showed a amazing quality. Thanks in advance Alex[/quote]
Merged into CV-6 thread. Please read through this thread and post specific questions that are outstanding.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:08 pm |
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tomcat Fanatic wrote: hope you are aware that model will be 5,6m long... good luck with your build.. I built one RC Model Airplane that was 120" wing span and the big difference is that I can use almost any type of material and the weight is not a big issue, 206 inches is big and I can build it in 3 parts in order to transport, I am thinking that the hull will be fabricated in balsa and cover with fiberglass, formers I will be using plywood probably cut them in my laser, I think the final weight will be around 130 Lbs. Alex
[quote="tomcat Fanatic"]hope you are aware that model will be 5,6m long... :thumbs_up_1: good luck with your build.. :thumbs_up_1:[/quote]
I built one RC Model Airplane that was 120" wing span and the big difference is that I can use almost any type of material and the weight is not a big issue, 206 inches is big and I can build it in 3 parts in order to transport, I am thinking that the hull will be fabricated in balsa and cover with fiberglass, formers I will be using plywood probably cut them in my laser, I think the final weight will be around 130 Lbs. Alex
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:59 pm |
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hope you are aware that model will be 5,6m long... good luck with your build..
hope you are aware that model will be 5,6m long... :thumbs_up_1: good luck with your build.. :thumbs_up_1:
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:16 pm |
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Hi, my name is Alex Guzman and I am planning to build a 1/48 scale CV-6 Enterprise from the 1942, I trying to get as many information, books, pictures and all that will help me with this project but no much is there, that is why I am writing this new topic to see if I can get as much information as possible, I know that this model will be large but I think I can do it, my experience with a large scale model airplanes will help but I know that my knowledge about boats and ships is not good, I also got a 1/200 scale model and the upgrade details (pontos and MK1) that may help me by using this as a base, now I am working on the frames and shape of the hull plans by using old plans from the web but still not showing all of them, I also contacted some companies that may have something but still waiting for the response, finally I checked two builders that build a 1/200 on Youtube and they really showed a amazing quality. Thanks in advance Alex
Hi, my name is Alex Guzman and I am planning to build a 1/48 scale CV-6 Enterprise from the 1942, I trying to get as many information, books, pictures and all that will help me with this project but no much is there, that is why I am writing this new topic to see if I can get as much information as possible, I know that this model will be large but I think I can do it, my experience with a large scale model airplanes will help but I know that my knowledge about boats and ships is not good, I also got a 1/200 scale model and the upgrade details (pontos and MK1) that may help me by using this as a base, now I am working on the frames and shape of the hull plans by using old plans from the web but still not showing all of them, I also contacted some companies that may have something but still waiting for the response, finally I checked two builders that build a 1/200 on Youtube and they really showed a amazing quality. Thanks in advance Alex
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2023 6:26 pm |
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 6:55 pm |
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