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Topic review - Calling all USS Enterprise CV-6 fans
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Thomas E. Johnson wrote:
So the 1/200 kit will likely reuse the 1/200 Hornet hull...


It's possible, but I wouldn't say "likely". They could have easily reused the bad Hornet hull for the new Yorktown and Enterprise kits, but they gave us a new tool. Hopefully they'll do the same for 1/200.
Post Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:31 pm
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Captain Morgan wrote:
Thomas E. Johnson wrote:
The torpedo bulges were added in late 1943 if memory serves? I haven’t actually looked closely at any pics to see if it’s visible above the waterline.

I hope if the upcoming 1/200 Trumpeter kit is a complete new tool and not a reuse of the 1/200 Hornet hull, they made it a late war variant....


No bulges on the kit


So the 1/200 kit will likely reuse the 1/200 Hornet hull...
Post Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:21 pm
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Thomas E. Johnson wrote:
The torpedo bulges were added in late 1943 if memory serves? I haven’t actually looked closely at any pics to see if it’s visible above the waterline.

I hope if the upcoming 1/200 Trumpeter kit is a complete new tool and not a reuse of the 1/200 Hornet hull, they made it a late war variant....


No bulges on the kit
Post Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:54 am
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The torpedo bulges were added in late 1943 if memory serves? I haven’t actually looked closely at any pics to see if it’s visible above the waterline.

I hope if the upcoming 1/200 Trumpeter kit is a complete new tool and not a reuse of the 1/200 Hornet hull, they made it a late war variant....
Post Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:40 am
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if fall of 42 it then has to be October the earliest as that is when she got 4 quad 40mm aa mounts while still having 1 quad 1.1" aa mount & 44 single 20mm aa guns. http://www.cv6.org/ship/armament.htm
Post Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:33 pm
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Thomas E. Johnson wrote:
What time frame does the Trumpeter 1/700 kit represent the ship? I’m thinking 1942....


Fall of 1942. Mixture of 1.1 on bow, 40mm before and after the Island. 20mm on the aft roundown of the FD
Post Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:12 pm
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What time frame does the Trumpeter 1/700 kit represent the ship? I’m thinking 1942....
Post Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:01 pm
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Tracy White wrote:
Despite my researching I am firmly in the "it's your model; build it how you want to" camp.

Or, if you want to play it safe, we KNOW they were painted white at some point. We don't know if and when some form or Silver was used. At most if we find documentation supporting it, people can say "it's wrong for the time period." *IF* we don't or find documentation disproving it they can say "what were you thinking, you goober?????"

So, white is safer. :thumbs_up_1:


Tracy,
It would be interesting if the use of Silver is proven. Silver Oxide paint was quite popular during this time as a protective coating that was bright, slip proof, and durable. Many of the industrial buildings in my home town from the period are painted with it. Also, my garage was built in 1935 and was painted both inside and out with the stuff and has held up for over 80 years. So it wouldn't be too far fetched to see it used in military marine applications.

Scott
Post Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:15 pm
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Tracy White wrote:
You haven't said when you're doing yours, but Flight Deck Stain 21 didn't come about until 1943.

Armor belt:

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I’m doing mine for whatever time frame the Trumpeter kit portrays.

I’ll have to represent the armor belt on the 1/200 model with some Evergreen stock.
Post Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:05 am
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You haven't said when you're doing yours, but Flight Deck Stain 21 didn't come about until 1943.

Armor belt:

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Post Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:59 pm
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The flight deck was stained with Norfolk 250N or was it 21/251?

Also these ships have an armor belt. Should this be visible in 1/700 and 1/200?
Post Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:46 pm
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Tracy White wrote:
Despite my researching I am firmly in the "it's your model; build it how you want to" camp.

Or, if you want to play it safe, we KNOW they were painted white at some point. We don't know if and when some form or Silver was used. At most if we find documentation supporting it, people can say "it's wrong for the time period." *IF* we don't or find documentation disproving it they can say "what were you thinking, you goober?????"

So, white is safer. :thumbs_up_1:


Probably true, but I doubt straight white is a good choice when applying scale effect on a 1/700 model. On a 1/200 model on the other hand.... :heh:
Post Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:10 pm
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Despite my researching I am firmly in the "it's your model; build it how you want to" camp.

Or, if you want to play it safe, we KNOW they were painted white at some point. We don't know if and when some form or Silver was used. At most if we find documentation supporting it, people can say "it's wrong for the time period." *IF* we don't or find documentation disproving it they can say "what were you thinking, you goober?????"

So, white is safer. :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:04 pm
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Tracy White wrote:
I would think a dull aluminum (not dark, but not shiny) would probably look most in scale.


Possibly. I’m trying to think of a color that when scale effect is applied, would satisfy representing both white and aluminum, so which ever one you eventually confirm, would be covered. :cool_2:
Post Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:31 pm
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I would think a dull aluminum (not dark, but not shiny) would probably look most in scale.
Post Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:09 pm
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Tracy White wrote:
I had hoped to research this during my fall archives trip last week, but work kept me so busy up to the point of my flight out (I even bought wireless to work on the flight out) that I wasn't able to prepare for this search in advance and rolled with some simpler ones I had planned out as backup searches some time ago. The Navy classified paint as a "preservative coating" and had eight major sub-classifications defined. The "General Correspondence" files for the war has a section of S19 that is 45 boxes long. The S19-1 code in which "Painting, structural, inside" is contained is 26 of those boxes, and clearly a little bit of work to go through. I had hoped to narrow it down a bit more, but punted and instead grabbed the 1942, 43, and 1944 "Secret General Correspondence" boxes (one each for each year) hoping there would at least be some interesting S19-7 (camouflage) info in there.

I believe the hangar spaces were some sort of metallic paint, but I try to be very careful to say that it is conjecture and not proven. I have high standards of proof and truth and won't say otherwise until I find a document I can post or show to prove it and also say when it changed.



While, taking into account “scale effect” on a 1/700 subject, for the hanger interior, I wouldn’t be using straight white, nor aluminum either. Probably a very light grey would be the color, for the scale effect of both white and aluminum in 1/700 I’m thinking....
Post Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:09 pm
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I had hoped to research this during my fall archives trip last week, but work kept me so busy up to the point of my flight out (I even bought wireless to work on the flight out) that I wasn't able to prepare for this search in advance and rolled with some simpler ones I had planned out as backup searches some time ago. The Navy classified paint as a "preservative coating" and had eight major sub-classifications defined. The "General Correspondence" files for the war has a section of S19 that is 45 boxes long. The S19-1 code in which "Painting, structural, inside" is contained is 26 of those boxes, and clearly a little bit of work to go through. I had hoped to narrow it down a bit more, but punted and instead grabbed the 1942, 43, and 1944 "Secret General Correspondence" boxes (one each for each year) hoping there would at least be some interesting S19-7 (camouflage) info in there.

I believe the hangar spaces were some sort of metallic paint, but I try to be very careful to say that it is conjecture and not proven. I have high standards of proof and truth and won't say otherwise until I find a document I can post or show to prove it and also say when it changed.
Post Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:03 pm
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Tracy White wrote:
Discussed with some photos about seven pages back. :thumbs_up_1:


So the answer is inconclusive, and white would be a safe bet, but if one went with aluminum, the photos would be hard to proof wrong? :heh:

I’m in the time period of the Doolittle Raid for Hornet, and whatever time frame Trumpeter’s 1/700 Enterprise portrays the ship...
Post Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:39 pm
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Discussed with some photos about seven pages back. :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:10 am
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Thomas E. Johnson wrote:
What are the colors of the hanger deck interior on these vessels? If memory serves, the bulkheads and overheads are white, but the deck was standard deck grey....

Conventional wisdom has always said white, but Mr. White (Tracy, that is), has postulated that, at least pre US involvement in and early in the war, the bulkheads and overheads were a silver or aluminum color. Looking at photos, he may be right.
Post Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:52 am

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