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Topic review - Calling all USS Midway class (CVB) Fans
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Greetings,

Here is a link to the 3D-Wild announcement on their site.

https://3d-wild.com/pages/coming-soon


Mark
Post Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:11 am
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I am sure this will be all over Facebook and other model ship forums; Three D wild Miniatures will be releasing a post 1947 superstructure for converting the Midway to a later configuration and will also be releasing two different airwing sets. See here on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ipmsusa ... 2043812999

Exciting times for the Midway class aircraft carrier enthusiasts. Can't wait to see what's coming up next.
Post Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2024 10:25 pm
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taskforce48 wrote:
Images of this time are rare and often unclear. All the images I have show her in a dark overall color, so I get the impression that she maintained her MS-21 paint scheme till after overhaul and island expansion completed. The 41 on the stack is not shadowed in any of the images that I can tell, the image of her having the island work done is pretty clear and the shadowing is not present to my eye and the visible area's of the ship are very dark. I have this image showing her overall, lots of shadows but you can see she is overall one dark color.
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This image shows no shadowing on Funnel 41
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Another image showing the 41 but also showing she is still dark when compared to her navy blue planes
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If you want something a little brighter, the FDR looks to have commissioned in MS-22, there has been some debate if they are older purple hues or the newer neutral ones that were coming out at the same time. I am leaning towards the newer tones when compared to the USS Franklin in the background of the full image, but that could be a trick of light that she looks so much darker.
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Thank you for your quick and comprehensive response. It answers my question and, satisfies my EEI, (Essential Elements of Information) very nicely. I will be going with a Navy Blue, based on the color image of it being commissioned, or variation thereof. I have a True Color 5N, which I will use. The deck looks to be a deck blue or a dark gray, so that will be up to me. But; thank you again, very helpful.
Post Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:16 pm
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Images of this time are rare and often unclear. All the images I have show her in a dark overall color, so I get the impression that she maintained her MS-21 paint scheme till after overhaul and island expansion completed. The 41 on the stack is not shadowed in any of the images that I can tell, the image of her having the island work done is pretty clear and the shadowing is not present to my eye and the visible area's of the ship are very dark. I have this image showing her overall, lots of shadows but you can see she is overall one dark color.
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NH49830 Snip.PNG
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This image shows no shadowing on Funnel 41
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Another image showing the 41 but also showing she is still dark when compared to her navy blue planes
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NH 105565 snip.PNG
NH 105565 snip.PNG [ 596.96 KiB | Viewed 7389 times ]


If you want something a little brighter, the FDR looks to have commissioned in MS-22, there has been some debate if they are older purple hues or the newer neutral ones that were coming out at the same time. I am leaning towards the newer tones when compared to the USS Franklin in the background of the full image, but that could be a trick of light that she looks so much darker.
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NH106296  snip.PNG
NH106296 snip.PNG [ 558.66 KiB | Viewed 7389 times ]


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80-G-K-6611 Snip.PNG
80-G-K-6611 Snip.PNG [ 2.38 MiB | Viewed 7389 times ]
Post Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:41 pm
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The Trumpeter 1/350 USS Midway, (as built) is soon to land at my doorstep. I am excited to see this kit and to build it, the issue for me is what paint measure was it in prior to its June 1946 alteration? I have "scoured" the net, have the Warship Pictorial #1, (with scant images of the ship during that period) but can't seem to find an image of the entire ship in the measure it wore prior to the major bridge alteration. The painting guide in the kit shows it in a standard Grey with the 41 on the stack shadowed. Does anyone on this forum have any images, or can direct me to where the images reside?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Post Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:58 pm
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Haven't we all learned over the years that color photos must be taken with a grain of salt? :) Based on everything we know about the availability of the neutral grays, I think it's highly unlikely that Midway or FDR would have commissioned with the earlier purple tinted blues. Just because the museum docents tell you that "Midway was in Measure 21" doesn't mean that the original blues were used. I strongly do not agree that the earlier blue paints would have been used at commissioning. Unless some other evidence can be found I would recommend making your drawing in the later neutral grays ;)
Post Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:50 am
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Plus this part is very clearly a "blue", or at least different from the adjacent "neutral grey" - which is the "actual" paint?:


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Post Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:32 am
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I would caution everyone trying to judge color from any photograph of this, or pretty much any age, not to let your mind's perceptions color your impressions!

The problem is that the yellow dyes in prints and slides were the first ones to fade with time, pretty much regardless of storing conditions. You might think you can apply yellow filters to the photo to "restore" the original color, but you are only fooling yourself because your yellow filter will effect ALL colors, the entire photograph.

Photographic dyes are on the molecular level, and it's those imperceptible molecules that fade with extreme precision, hence adjacent colors of a gray tint and a blue tint can come to look identicle as the yellow molecules fade away in time. This is especially true when the original colors are not that far apart in the first place, often coming down to mixtures of the same paints depending on the availability of the exact shades in the supply depots scattered widely throughout the country at a time of war.

In the future, with photography becoming digital as opposed to chemical, this will no longer pose a problem since the bits that make up a pixel don't fade. But any historic true PHOTOGRAPHS based on film technology can never be taken at face value.
Post Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:58 pm
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ModelMonkey wrote:
Midway was launched in March, 1945 and commissioned that September.

This color photo (not colorized) of her on the day of her launch may be some help determine her color as built. Is that Navy Gray 5-N or Navy Blue 5-N?
https://www.navsource.org/archives/02/024129.jpg


With the nearby presence of blue on the flags and bunting to compare against in that christening day photo in March 1945, the hull color looks to my eyes to be in the neutral gray range rather than possessing a blue tint. March may be on the early end of the availability of Navy Gray, but if it were my model I'd go with Navy Gray for a christening day Midway.

I can't imagine a primary stateside shipyard would not have long-since burned through their remaining stockpile of the blue tones and be well into common use of the new neutrals for ships getting their final coats for commissioning in September and October 1945, so for Midway's as-commissioned Measure 21 and FDR's as-commissioned Measure 22, I'd definitely finish my models with the neutrals.

- Sean F.
Post Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:18 pm
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There is an original color photo of FDR on her commissioning day on NavSource: https://www.navsource.org/archives/02/024207.jpg

Question is, what is the color? Navy Blue? Navy Gray? Ocean Blue? Ocean Gray?
Post Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:29 am
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So unless some people have other sources, my point of view is that when launched, the Midway and FDR were paint Navy blue (5-N). The guys at the museum say the same thing.
Post Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:05 pm
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Midway was launched in March, 1945 and commissioned that September.

This color photo (not colorized) of her on the day of her launch may be some help determine her color as built. Is that Navy Gray 5-N or Navy Blue 5-N?
https://www.navsource.org/archives/02/024129.jpg

Whether gray or blue, she is very dark on this day and remained dark when photographed in the Hudson River off New York City a month later during Navy Day celebrations. Note her name painted in large, white letters on her side, contrasting with her hull paint.
https://www.navsource.org/archives/02/0241bi.jpg
https://navsource.org/archives/01/063/016334v.jpg
Post Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:18 pm
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I think the question is around the exact color paint used in the Measure 21 scheme as launched. All conventional knowledge here is that ships in the stateside yards were painting into navy grey (and not 5-N navy blue with purple tint) by early to mid 1945. We would assume then that Midway would be launched in 1946 with navy grey paint (in Measure 21 overall scheme). Is this correct -- if so, is there any textual documentation that can support it?

There was a discussion on the Shipbucket board about this and it was not clear if navy grey was used vs. navy blue
Post Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:21 am
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Paul_541 wrote:
Hi guys ! With my research, I concluded that Midway was painted in MS 21 or a variation paint the day of launching. Any ideas on the subject ? Thanks !https://www.navsource.org/archives/02/024129.jpg


Greetings,

I think that you are correct.

https://www.shipcamouflage.com/usn_cv.htm


Looking forward to the 1/350 Midway's about to be released!

Mark
Post Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:42 pm
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Hi guys ! With my research, I concluded that Midway was painted in MS 21 or a variation paint the day of launching. Any ideas on the subject ? Thanks !https://www.navsource.org/archives/02/024129.jpg
Post Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:36 pm
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Apparently the Midway class in her last configurations had some sort of weather antennas / radars one on each side near the aft elevators (no.2 and 3) with the designation AS-3063 / AN/SMQ-10 SROE Antennae. I've only seen a few photos, no drawings or sketches. Does anybody know more about these?

It's that weird tilting antenna on the right side of this photo:
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and on the left side here:
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Post Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:54 am
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I pulled out my Ray Bean Midway/Franklin/Coral Sea CD (Vol. 7). Several photos from the late 50s and early 60s, but none that show much in the way of what you are looking for.

Dave
Post Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:31 pm
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Hey everyone,

Was wondering if anyone had clearer images of Midway's island in the 1958-1962 time period? I noticed the she carried a series of images/symbols on both port and starboard sides of the island. My gut feeling would be squadron insignia's, but these 2 images are the best in my arsenal.

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Image

TIA

Matt
Post Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:04 pm
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Rick E Davis wrote:
Paul,

You didn't specific which side of the bridge you were interested in seeing. Here are three sides of the bridge taken in 1947 after her mod work was complete.


Thanks a lot. I am in need of pictures of the starboard side after 1946. My question is specifically if they removed the conning tower when doing the overhaul ?
Post Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 7:49 am
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dhenning wrote:
Paul,
Do you have the Warships Pictorial No. 41 on the Midway? There are some photos showing the bridge from 1949 and 1950 that might be of some help.

Dave


Yes I have a copie thanks !
Post Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 7:46 am

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