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Topic review - Calling all Early War RN Carrier Fans Hermes/Eagle/C'ageous
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all Early War RN Carrier Fans Hermes/Eagle/C'age  Reply with quote
Gcj,

No doubt Ough's model is now in need of TLC and understandably, model ship restoration is not prominent profession. I therefore doubt if the FAAM has anyone devoted to the work. Your best and probably now, only bet, is to consider a visit to the NMM. I suggest that you contact it first to establish what they have and take it from there.

81542
Post Posted: Thu May 05, 2022 4:01 am
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81542 wrote:
Gcj

The Fleet Air Arm Museum (FAAM) has a large model of HMS GLORIOUS that was built by the famous model-maker Norman A Ough. They may be able to help you with digital photographs of the areas of the ship that you are interested in. Otherwise your best bet will be the Historic Photographs and Ships Plans section at the National Maritime Museum (NMM). They should have her "as fitted" drawings and possibly a number of photographs. If you live in the UK the FAAM and NMM would be worth a visit: the NMM, of course, by prior arrangement.

81542


Thanks, I keep forgetting about Ough's model and I only live 20 minutes from the FAAM. Actually last time I visited the model was looking rather sad with some losses and in need of some TLC. Needless to say the photos I took dont help - the problems of low light shooting through perspex. So another trip beckons.

Wont help on the quaterdeck much as the model is pre 35 refit.

On the other hand
iangazeley thank you. Best photo of the quarterdeck I have seen. I shall have fun interpretting that. Interesting to note the wooden planking extends all the way to the rear elevator
Post Posted: Thu May 05, 2022 2:55 am
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Gcj wrote:
Looking for some information on the ready use ammunition lockers for the 4.7” HA on HMS Glorious. I am slogging my way through the Triumph Model’s kit and think the ready use ammunition lockers for the bow and stern pairs of 4.7” lack detail, and I want to check their location. I have been searching through various photos with plenty of pictures of these guns but for the bow pair only 1 photo of Courageous seems to show such lockers (which look similar to the small and medium lockers used for 4” HA on other RN ships) but the photo isn’t exactly clear. All the other photos I have seen are quite detailed but don’t seem to show anything that could be a ready use locker. I have drawn a complete blank on the stern pair. Anyone able to help please? Looking for 1938 fit but all info gratefully received.


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Post Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 5:12 pm
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Gcj

The Fleet Air Arm Museum (FAAM) has a large model of HMS GLORIOUS that was built by the famous model-maker Norman A Ough. They may be able to help you with digital photographs of the areas of the ship that you are interested in. Otherwise your best bet will be the Historic Photographs and Ships Plans section at the National Maritime Museum (NMM). They should have her "as fitted" drawings and possibly a number of photographs. If you live in the UK the FAAM and NMM would be worth a visit: the NMM, of course, by prior arrangement.

81542
Post Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 3:13 pm
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Looking for some information on the ready use ammunition lockers for the 4.7” HA on HMS Glorious. I am slogging my way through the Triumph Model’s kit and think the ready use ammunition lockers for the bow and stern pairs of 4.7” lack detail, and I want to check their location. I have been searching through various photos with plenty of pictures of these guns but for the bow pair only 1 photo of Courageous seems to show such lockers (which look similar to the small and medium lockers used for 4” HA on other RN ships) but the photo isn’t exactly clear. All the other photos I have seen are quite detailed but don’t seem to show anything that could be a ready use locker. I have drawn a complete blank on the stern pair. Anyone able to help please? Looking for 1938 fit but all info gratefully received.
Post Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 11:03 am
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I think that this is one nice looking kit! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:



Bob Pink :wave_1:
Post Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:51 pm
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Images of the upcoming Triumph Glorious. Apologies I can not give credit to the builder as I did not get their name.
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Matt
Post Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:37 pm
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Does anyone know what color Courageous’flight deck was at the time of her loss?



BobPink :wave_1:
Post Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:49 pm
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Good eye Tim! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: I didn't make that out by looking at the photo. So, I think I'll be adding a v-grooved deck to my Courageous. Thank you again!



Bob Pink :wave_1:
Post Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:17 pm
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Courageous' quarterdeckwas planked (see, for example, https://i2.wp.com/www.destinationsjourn ... ous-18.jpg). Not sure about the level above, but from this photo, that also seems to be planked. Note that the configuration of the two sisters differed after Glorious' 1934-35 refit, when her quarterdeck, and the two 4.7" HA gunds, were raised one level (the revised arrangement appears to be the one represented in the Triumph kit - Courageous never had this alteration, nor the extended flight deck visible in the Triumph photos).
Post Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:01 pm
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I saw that the Triumph 1940 Glorious kits very aft deck was planked? If so, would Courageous be the same as well??


Bob Pink :wave_1:
Post Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:11 pm
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It's the autotranslation, David, if you had clicked through to see the source.
Post Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 5:46 pm
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https://twitter.com/SWS_FeiPengrui/stat ... 6587668484

"Reposted from Sina Weibo New domestic factory Triumph model new product preview (TM70001)-1/700 WWII Royal Navy aircraft carrier USS Glory"

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E10voJfVUAA ... name=large

Reportedly on sale next week at the the Chinese sale site Taobao
Post Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 3:03 pm
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Some photos of Courageous, allegedly in October 1931:
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Post Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:21 am
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hi all
Re hms Hermes 1942. Building diaroma of swordfish taking off towards tricomalee.
During take off flight operations would the crash barrier have been laid flat (forward or aft of upright position) with planes rolling over it as they took off (ie stick the photo etch barrier to the flight deck flat) or dismanteled and removed?
Cheers
Dan
Post Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:52 pm
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Thanks Graham
It's a hard book to find! I did find some of the pictures from it at http://www.armouredcarriers.com/battle- ... ormidable#. They provided some clarity over oerlikons (or lack of!) too - certainly not much evidence they are on the outriggers either. Annoyingly had already placed the 4th Carley raft on the port superstructure before I saw these pics that clearly demonstrate its not there!
Thanks again
Cheers dan
Post Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:42 pm
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Speedydan wrote:
Hi all
Difficult to know which part of the forum to ask this question. Early – mid war royal navy flight deck crew. Most pics of early war seem show most deck personnel (FAA or RN) in normal attire for the given theatre (whites/shorts tropics/med, dark blue uniform etc for temperate).

I did read some information regarding FAA ground crew consisting of mechanic (2/aircraft), fitter (1/2 aircraft), artificer (several aircraft) and engineering officer (whole squadron). Also specialists for electrical circuits and ordanance armourers. When aircraft ready they were sent up, wings folded, in lifts controlled by ships crew. Rangeing party then place in required position on deck, pinning party would chock and unfold wings. Ground crew reappear and start aircraft in preparation for aircrew. Flight deck officer controls all flight deck operations.

2 main questions

1) What did the different skull cap colours designate (red, yellow etc) and when were they introduced?
2) What do people think HMS Hermes flight deck crew would have been wearing in 1942 when flying off swordfish prior to arriving in Trincomalee? Tropical whites/shorts etc?

Cheers
Dan


Dan,

I am not in position to post pics at the moment, but the book The Hermes Adventure is by the official RN photographer assigned to Hermes and has lots of pictures of the ship throughout her career. There are photos in there of her at the time you are interested in and the flight-deck crew were mostly in shorts but several of them were in long trousers.

I will post photos when I can

Graham
Post Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:44 pm
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Hi all
Difficult to know which part of the forum to ask this question. Early – mid war royal navy flight deck crew. Most pics of early war seem show most deck personnel (FAA or RN) in normal attire for the given theatre (whites/shorts tropics/med, dark blue uniform etc for temperate).

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However several pictures, ? especially late war seem to show FAA deck personnel in dark tunic/overalls, often with different coloured skull caps. was this a late war change based on USA experience?
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I did read some information regarding FAA ground crew consisting of mechanic (2/aircraft), fitter (1/2 aircraft), artificer (several aircraft) and engineering officer (whole squadron). Also specialists for electrical circuits and ordanance armourers. When aircraft ready they were sent up, wings folded, in lifts controlled by ships crew. Rangeing party then place in required position on deck, pinning party would chock and unfold wings. Ground crew reappear and start aircraft in preparation for aircrew. Flight deck officer controls all flight deck operations.

2 main questions

1) What did the different skull cap colours designate (red, yellow etc) and when were they introduced?
2) What do people think HMS Hermes flight deck crew would have been wearing in 1942 when flying off swordfish prior to arriving in Trincomalee? Tropical whites/shorts etc?

Cheers
Dan
Post Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:32 am
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Just to follow up on this... we spent a bit of effort on Hermes and think we've correctly matched the scheme to true tones of paints:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0730/0927/files/HMS_Hermes_1942_Sovereign.png?9600445608954526396
Post Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:46 am
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Last Christmas I received a "Striking Richelieu/Dakar" Aoshima Hermes for a gift and decided to build it as the Indian Ocean version instead. Upon comparing the various Aoshima kits before starting my Hermes build, I concluded that the Dakar/Striking Richelieu version and the two Indian Ocean versions were pretty much identical, save for a couple of key differences in the ship parts, aside from the various extras that came with each version. (The Dakar version also has the IJN gunboat Suma included as a extra. Suma used to be the British gunboat HMS Cicala before her capture during the war and the parts can be built as any Insect class gunboat)

The Striking Richelieu/Dakar version of the Hermes has a slightly different mast (both parts labelled D38 circled below are not in the Indian Ocean versions), as seen in the scan of the instructions below:
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Meanwhile the "Ceylon" and "Indian Ocean Raid" versions both have the same mast seen below since they both depict the same ship as she was in 1942, though the "Indian Ocean Raid" version also has attacking Japanese carrier dive bombers on stands. The part labelled B5 is actually available in all versions including the Dakar version (even if that version doesn't need it as seen above), so I was able to build it as the 1942 version.

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