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Topic review - Calling all Cold War Essex-class Fans!
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Mathews Miniatures offers an SCB 125 Essex in 1/700. I am currently in a build of the kit. It is a craftsman kit in resin, needs a little help here and there. I substituted the Model Monkey island for that which comes with the kit, dramatic improvement. Although a bit under scale it with fit well with the Italeri super carriers. If you are not afraid to dig in, do some hard core model work, this kit will provide a decent representation of an SCB 125 Essex. There are no other options beyond a complete scratch build.
Post Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 11:33 am
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task force 58 wrote:
Thank you that's a big help. To make sure I'm following correctly for Lake Champlain in the late 50s the Princeton kit is best and for Shangri La in 1960 after her shift to the Atlantic fleet the Antietam kit would be best ?



Lake Champlain got the SCB-27A conversion 1950-1952 so the only kit of that is the Iron Shipwrights SCB-27 Essex.

http://ironshipwrights.com/pages/Essex700.html

Shangri La was decommissioned in 1947. She was re-commissioned in 1955 as a SCB-125 ship with the angled deck. There are no kits available that do a 125 ship so that is a scratch build. The Iron Shipwrights kit or perhaps the Antietam Kit might be good places to start. Model Monkey does the Island and I was hoping to get Nautilus to do a deck without any luck. With those two pieces plus a starting point kit, a scratch build/kit bash would be a pretty straight forward conversion. Kind of a varsity play!

Good luck,

Mark
Post Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 6:04 am
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Thank you that's a big help. To make sure I'm following correctly for Lake Champlain in the late 50s the Princeton kit is best and for Shangri La in 1960 after her shift to the Atlantic fleet the Antietam kit would be best ?
Post Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 8:38 pm
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task force 58 wrote:
Yes, it does thanks. That would mean every post-war built ship could be built during the 50s from that kit but none of the wartime built ones correct? Sorry, I'm still learning everything about the small differences between ships.



The Trumpeter and DML Essex Class Long Hulls ( Hancock & Ticonderoga) are good for any WWII Long hull carriers(there were some differences between all of them) and the Essex, Yorktown, and Franklin kits for short hulls. (Be aware of one vs. 2 catapults, 4 or 3 40MM on the island, other subtle differences as they got modified throughout the war) Most of the ships that saw action in WWII were mothballed and laid up after WWII until Korea so that is why the Princeton Kit and its derivatives are better for non SCB-27A/B ships into the 50's. The Bon Homme Richard is the only short hull that I can recall to get into the Korean War in its short hull post WWII configuration. All of the other short hull ships started getting the SCB-27A/C conversions before they went to Korea.

So for post WWII I would stay with the Princeton or the Bon Homme Richard kits. That way you have the correct radars and the enclosed bridge.
Post Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 8:10 pm
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Yes, it does thanks. That would mean every post-war built ship could be built during the 50s from that kit but none of the wartime built ones correct? Sorry, I'm still learning everything about the small differences between ships.
Post Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 6:30 am
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task force 58 wrote:
Which members of the class can be built out of the Dragon 1/700 USS Princeton CVS-37 kit?




It has been awhile since I did the research for my plans to do "Korean War" non SCB-27 ships, but that kit should be able to be used for CV-32 Leyte and newer for a period starting in 1948ish +/- a few years depending on the ship. The kit gives you the new mast when they were designated CVS in the mid 50s but you also get the old WWII masts for the late 40s and into the 50s. The kit also has the newer radar and enclosed bridge. It has 40mm guns vice the 3" guns but I think that there are after market sets for that as you move into the 50s and 60s ships.

The Princeton kit gives you S-2Fs and the Bon Homme Richard kit gives you the Sky Raiders, Panthers and Banshees for a Korean War Air Wing. DML used to sell them separately but have long since discontinued those after market sets. There is a Fujimi Vietnam set for Kitty Hawk/ Conny with Sky Raiders that you can find on ebay as well. I have not seen a 3D Printed 1/700 plane on Shapways that did not look like bathtub toys so the Air Wing becomes the constraint in my opinion for post WWII up to Vietnam carriers.

Makes me wonder if Model Monkey can print other designs not of his own on his new 3D Printer to yield a higher fidelity 1/700 jet?

Hello Steve???

Hope that helps.

Good luck,

Mark
Post Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:26 am
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Which members of the class can be built out of the Dragon 1/700 USS Princeton CVS-37 kit?
Post Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 7:00 pm
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WOW!!!! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:25 pm
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no problem.
Post Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:55 am
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Hi David, 
yes I do. In fact I even attempted to use it for my CAD work but it is so badly distorted it actually more of a hindrance than any help...
Obviously it could be still used as a visual reference. I might had misinterpreted it but I took it as a proof that the quarter sponson was gone by that time.
Funny thing, since you mentioned it I took another look and just noticed, I left off SPN radar ( white tube on a platform attached to smokestack ) on my 1961 ANTIETAM. How on earth that happened...? so thanks for mentioning it...:)

Darius  

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:54 am
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Darius, do you have this? Booklet of General Plans USS Antietam (CVS-36) corrected to suit ship, 25 June 1958 http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/023650.pdf
Post Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:58 pm
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Hi Dick, I see your point.
I modeled based on my imperfect research findings. And what I found out, whether this is all correct or not, is that by the end of 1952 she got her angle deck installed and soon after went for test runs, possibly with those open girder supports under new deck, for couple of months, than returned to the navy yard and girders were replaced with solid sponson support, after which she sailed again ( May - June 1953 )to experiment with takeoffs and landings. Photos from those trials show what you mentioned, port quarter 5 In gun sponson still there but without extensions. Later that year she went back to shipyard finally completing her reconstruction process sometime in the second half of 1953. And I suspect that's when quarter 5 In gun sponson was removed as well as the original WWII gallery decks with widened sections where 20 mm guns used to be. Those were cut to same width all around. And since my model represents the end of 1953 early 1954 I'm okay with no quarter sponson. 
I am first to admit is a theory build on sandy beaches but with limited resources it's the best I could come up with...:)

Darius
Post Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:25 pm
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Just a quick comment on the "as first modified" drawings. The port quarter sponson for the 5" guns may have been largely covered over, but it did not actually get removed until later. The small extensions outboard of each gun had been cut off and the guns themselves removed, but the main sponson remained. It was definitely gone by the time the pole mast was installed, though.
Post Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:35 pm
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Hi guys, 
my earlier inquiries about ANTIETAM initial configuration did not generated any comments so had to proceed based on my own findings. That's always very risky...:) Big thank you for great support I received from Dave Baker. Still I had to figure out a lot of confusing data on my own. What I came up with I'm happy to show for all of you to judge. This is 1250 scale future release from Spider Navy, since this is going to be waterline model only, to save on time I didn't bother with underwater detail. 

 Two ANTIETAMS, or, to be more precise, ANTIETAM in two configurations: 1953 and 1961. Deck markings are pretty close to what you see on the real thing but don't use my colors as your painting guides.... 

Just one comment regarding those open girder supports like on ANTIETAM model from Dragon. This is like portraying ship still in the shipyard undergoing reconstruction. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe she was ever commissioned in this configuration which lasted few weeks the most before enclosed sponson was installed. 

Anyways back to post SCB-27A ESSEX now...:)

Darius

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Post Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:05 pm
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No worries.

My current builds are:


1/350 Intrepid SCB-1251958 era
1/350 Kearsarge SCB-27A Korea
1/350 Kennedy
1/350 Nimitz

2 1/72 F-4J Phantoms and at least one 1/144 airliner at all times. So I am familiar with too many projects.


Good luck.

Mark
Post Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:04 am
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Thank you for the reply. I went back a few pages and found that it was you who had replied to my earlier post about the wood deck color. Sorry to have to bother you with it again but I have a hard time staying on one subject. Guess I should take notes and put them in the kit in case they get shelved again. Thanks again.
Post Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:33 pm
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I have one of Ray's pics of Intrepid in 1968 and the wood flight deck is done in Flight Deck Stain 21. The metal deck is done in the non-skid paint which I use gunship gray to do.

Hope that helps.


Good Luck,

Mark
Post Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:01 am
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Thank you Timmy C. That does help out. I have a picture that I found on the internet from 67-69 that shows the forward ramp at the island.
Post Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:19 pm
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Regarding the outboard section of the deck next to the island, here are some pics I took during my Fall 2017 trip there showing the raised characteristic - notice how the ladder aft of the island terminates at flight deck level, and how the railings and deck leading to the raised section clearly angle upward. Can't guarantee that this will be the case for the '60s though.


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Post Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:03 pm
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Have a couple of questions regarding the 1/350 Intrepid kit.

First, it appears from some photos of the ship in the late 1960's (and the ships current state)that the flight deck on the starboard side of the island is wrong. What I am seeing that the deck is higher than the flight deck and has ramps on both ends. Would anyone have a starboard elevation drawing or head on picture of the area? All pictures I have been able to gather online are from an angle.

Second, I had previously painted the wood section of the flight deck of my Gallery Intrepid Flight Deck Stain 21 as referred by someone. Being that the kit depicts the ship in the late 1960's would that be right? Wouldn't the U.S. Navy have started to use the Federal Standard paint codes by then instead of the WW2 colors of paints and stains? If I hadn't of done a bad job of taping off lines on the deck resulting in paint bleed, I would leave it alone. The reason I am asking is because I feel it would be best to start over and if I do, I would like to use the correct color of wood stain if it is something other than what I had used. Thanks for all replies.
Post Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:36 am

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