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Topic review - Calling all USS Ranger CV-4 Fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Ranger CV-4 Fans  Reply with quote
Greetings fans USS Ranger. I have such a request for photo documentation.
I'm going to build a ship from the end of service in 1946.I found only three photos from this period, which is not much. Could someone find an interesting photo?
Post Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:37 pm
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I stumbled across some plans for doors, consoles, light fixtures, etc. in some post-war records turned over by Puget Sound Naval Shipyard, but I've never seen a "door plan" or guide before. I know that an awful lot of the plans generated for ships were never turned over to archives, so we just have to do the best with what we have.
Post Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:58 pm
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Thanks, Tracy. I was hoping that there was some mid-30s USN spec that would tell me what all the doors should look like
given their application, but, in lieu of that, I'll just go with the appearance of the doors on the builder's model at the Navy Yard
Museum in D.C.... sort of horizontally faceted doors, with no portholes.
Post Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:02 pm
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It depends on how much time and effort you want to put into it. You can work off her Booklet of General plans available here which will at least show you which are doors and which are open air arch ways. Otherwise, you're going to have to go to NARA and look through the microfilm plans to see if any show the type of door used.
Post Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:02 am
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I'm trying to replace Trumpeter's doors on Ranger, which are all just sort of formless raised areas in the plastic. Is there any way to know what doors would have been used where, i.e. by USN specifications? It's very difficult to tell from photos what types of doors to use where... the superstructure is least problematic in this regard. I could fudge it, I suppose, but thought I'd ask the brain trust for guidance first ;)
Post Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:17 am
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Thanks, Tracy. I corrected my question to say 'pilot house' rather than 'bridge'. I also found this handy 3D sprue that has some of those items:

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https://www.shapeways.com/product/VZ8AB ... d=77040972
Post Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:04 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Ranger CV-4 Fans - mid-30s island questi  Reply with quote
Aggie wrote:
what are the objects that one can see on the open deck that is just behind the bridge, and what are those objects on the protruding
deck platform that comes off the rear of the island?


I'm not 100% sure sure you mean by "behind the bridge, but I think the 1944 Booklet of General Plans could be helpful as it doesn't look like a lot changed.

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Working our way aft on the Navigation bridge, we have a Target Transmitting Designator (Maybe not the same mark number, link just included for those that didn't know there was such a thing), Pelorus, and then a telescope. Around the director base there is an inclined ladder port and aft and I'm not sure of the pyrotechnics locker in 1944 is there as launched. It does look like the Radio Direction Finder loop is there above the very edge of the structure below. There is a sailor standing in front of a box and I'm wondering if that's the pyrotechnics locker and it was just moved forward or if it's the narrow rectangle shown in the plans. Aft of that in your photo is something that I'm guessing is a compass even though it's not labelled - note the circle in the plans around it. The Navy liked to have non-magnetic structures around the compass (The structure around Battleship Nevada's was brass, leading to noticeable melting during the Pearl Harbor attack, as mentioned in her damage report). and I'm wondering if the circles around that point designate something of note such as that.
Post Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:41 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Ranger CV-4 Fans - mid-30s island questi  Reply with quote
Thanks! Ordered those, and their 1/350 bags, as those can go behind the .50 cal MGs on the catwalks...

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L'Arsenal makes 1/350 speakers, in resin. Review here.
Post Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:00 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Ranger CV-4 Fans - mid-30s island questi  Reply with quote
Aggie wrote:
Lastly, the Yorktown kit comes with Bogen speakers, but the Ranger kit
seems to come with none... anyone make them in 1/350? (Model Monkey, looking at you...)

L'Arsenal makes 1/350 speakers, in resin. Review here.
Post Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:22 pm
  Post subject:  Calling all USS Ranger CV-4 Fans - mid-30s island question  Reply with quote
Working on the island on my '36 backdate of Trumpeter's Ranger, and have a couple of questions for the brain trust: what are
the objects that one can see on the open deck that is just behind the pilot house, and what are those objects on the protruding
deck platform that comes off the rear of the island? Lastly, the Yorktown kit comes with Bogen speakers, but the Ranger kit
seems to come with none... anyone make them in 1/350? (Model Monkey, looking at you...)
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Post Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:43 am
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I found a very helpful photo for checking flightdeck details on Ranger in the mid/late 30s:
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You can clearly see where the barrier supports were, originally. The plans are somewhat helpful in this regard, as you can see where a barrier was erased, and you can sort of see where some heavier lines look like later additions. I'm guessing that, for both stern and bow recovery, the barriers were moved back because of bigger/heavier/more powerful aircraft?
Post Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:49 pm
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Working on backdating the Trumpy 1/350 Ranger island, starting with opening up the bridge windows:
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Working slowly with a very sharp Olfa knife, X-Acto razor saw, and a small square file... it's doable, but, boy, it's a lot of work...

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Gun tub on the rear of the island cut out, and location filled in with Evergreen; new walk made from same.

Moderator Edit: For More on this build, see the WIP thread here: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=173976
Post Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:15 pm
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I found another pic, on the Naval History & Heritage Command's website, that shows the as-built secondary conn from the port side, and you can see a bit of what's behind it:

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What still missing is a clear shot of what's behind the conn... in some pics it looks like there's a passage back to the bulkhead behind it, and in some pics it looks like you can see daylight above it, like the passageway was not the full height of the bulkhead or conn.

An additional benefit of tracking down additional pics is that you see other things in the pics that could be modeled; an example would be that girder structure under the forward flight deck... very different from how it's portrayed in the kit. Also, that fact that the area behind the catwalk (looking under the deck) is open in most places, not solid, as kit manufacturers portray it.
Post Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:53 am
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The secondary conn went from being a large-ish trapezoid, with windows on three sides, to being a fairly small, almost square structure with portholes. From this:

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... to this:

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The Booklet of General Plans does help, in a way, because the changes show up as darker/heavier lines...

That little 'step' in the starboard side is where the as-built bulkhead was, I think. It looks like they built
the superstructure forward from there, and changed the secondary conn to a bulletproof little box.
Post Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:35 am
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Yeah, I started my post before you completed yours but was going through all of my photos and it took a while to finish.
Post Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:31 am
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Tracy, those are the same plans that I had already linked before.
Post Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:20 am
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There's a set of the Booklet of General Plans here on Maritime.org that show what appear to be three cable reels aft of the control station. They're not labled and I don't have any good shots of this area that clarify what they are. They could also be winches for pulling lines, but as there isn't a good "line" to a chock to pass lines through without rubbing against a bulkhead, I don't think this is likely.

This set of plans is for 1944, but I don't think this area would have changed much.

*Edit* I looked at the deck below on the plans and there's no motors or anything to support a winch, so I'm going to say these are not winches for sure.
Post Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:43 am
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Thanks, but, unfortunately, that diagram only shows as-built in a few places, like the port side of
the island, for instance. The area under the forward flight deck was completely changed
at some point ('42? '43?) and the drawing now only reflects post-modification.
Post Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:41 am
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even tho 1944 this might still help you out. CV-4 – USS Ranger – Booklet of General Plans, 1944, Ranger Class https://www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/cv4.pdf
Post Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:15 am
  Post subject:  Early secondary conn on Ranger?  Reply with quote
I've started working on backdating (aiming for '36-'37) my Trumpeter 1/350 Ranger - filling in that odd, quarter-round opening in the island, opening up the doors into the 'arches' that are supposed to be there, and adding the platform off the rear of the island - but the thing that so far seems the most daunting to me is the secondary conn
that's under the forward flight deck. I have pics that show the face of it, and the angled sides. What I don't
have and can't seem to find (I do have Cressman) is pics or a diagram that clearly shows what happens
behind the secondary conn, where it appears to recess again before it hits the actual bulkhead there. Anyone
ever researched this, or come across anything that might be helpful?

curious,
Aggie
Post Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:05 am

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