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A detailed look at the Focsle Deck on the Wasp. https://youtu.be/tI7Hio5QNmM
A detailed look at the Focsle Deck on the Wasp.
[url]https://youtu.be/tI7Hio5QNmM[/url]
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:38 am |
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I've just seen this photo of Wasp posted on the Carriers! FB group. It's a new one for me.
Posted by Donald Tenney who got it from his father-in-law who worked on USCG Travis. His caption states Wasp and Ranger at Norfolk in 1940.
On close inspection, this seems to me to be from 1941 and could be a rare photo of Wasp in her Measure 4 camo scheme.
The range finder has been removed and replaced by splinter shields. Possibly splinter shields on the .50 cal MG battery too. These changes happened at Norfolk Navy Yard in March 1941. The paint looks very dark, which doesn't mean much but if you look at the foremast, it seems to be painted lighter from stack level up. This means it is either Measure 4 or Measure 12. If Measure 12, you should see a clear separation on the bow between Seablue and Ocean Gray.
If this is Wasp in Measure 4, that would date the picture as summer 1941 around the time of her P-40 delivery to Iceland.
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I've just seen this photo of Wasp posted on the [i]Carriers![/i] FB group. It's a new one for me.
Posted by Donald Tenney who got it from his father-in-law who worked on USCG Travis. His caption states Wasp and Ranger at Norfolk in 1940.
On close inspection, this seems to me to be from 1941 and could be a rare photo of Wasp in her Measure 4 camo scheme.
The range finder has been removed and replaced by splinter shields. Possibly splinter shields on the .50 cal MG battery too. These changes happened at Norfolk Navy Yard in March 1941. The paint looks very dark, which doesn't mean much but if you look at the foremast, it seems to be painted lighter from stack level up. This means it is either Measure 4 or Measure 12. If Measure 12, you should see a clear separation on the bow between Seablue and Ocean Gray.
If this is Wasp in Measure 4, that would date the picture as summer 1941 around the time of her P-40 delivery to Iceland.
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 12:15 am |
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Hi guys, I've been reading up on the discussion in this thread about the shape of the aft end of Wasp's funnel. I must admit that photos do suggest that it did flare out at the base. This one really shows an angle at the base. If it did not flare out, then what are the angles we see in photos? Was the funnel simply square at the base but then transitioned to a rounded shape a little ways up causing the angle effect? Thanks
Hi guys, I've been reading up on the discussion in this thread about the shape of the aft end of Wasp's funnel. I must admit that photos do suggest that it did flare out at the base. This one really shows an angle at the base. [url=https://postimg.cc/G9pqcqLS][img]https://i.postimg.cc/9XdSYnvV/Screen-Shot-2021-12-28-at-8-29-06-PM.png[/img][/url]
If it did not flare out, then what are the angles we see in photos? Was the funnel simply square at the base but then transitioned to a rounded shape a little ways up causing the angle effect? [url=https://postimages.org/][img]https://i.postimg.cc/1X7DKPSJ/Screen-Shot-2021-12-29-at-3-46-32-PM.png[/img][/url]
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 4:01 pm |
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Another simpler answer to the "red", is that it is primer. Look at the areas by the island, the "red" areas are spotty and not the whole deck area. The USN used red primer pre-WWII before using mostly a yellow zinc chromate for at sea "touch-ups". The day was nice and they were about to be at sea for quite awhile, touching up would be something the CO (Chiefs) would order to keep the crew busy.
Another simpler answer to the "red", is that it is primer. Look at the areas by the island, the "red" areas are spotty and not the whole deck area. The USN used red primer pre-WWII before using mostly a yellow zinc chromate for at sea "touch-ups". The day was nice and they were about to be at sea for quite awhile, touching up would be something the CO (Chiefs) would order to keep the crew busy. :big_grin:
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:46 pm |
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Going to have to repaint the thing. Should have waited for the color photos. Ohhh well! Too busy with the Supercarriers
Going to have to repaint the thing. Should have waited for the color photos. Ohhh well! Too busy with the Supercarriers
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:19 pm |
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Charybdis wrote: The second photo is officially listed as "San Diego" on NHHC. I knew that she should be showing the 40mm gun sponson port aft, if that was the case. I found it more likely to be Scapa until I came across Rick's research which proved it conclusively as Casco Bay.
I've noticed the red areas on the deck before. It seems only to be in certain areas. Could this be non skid matting? Here is a shot of Yorktown. I don’t think we are looking at red/brown mats.
[quote="Charybdis"]The second photo is officially listed as "San Diego" on NHHC. I knew that she should be showing the 40mm gun sponson port aft, if that was the case. I found it more likely to be Scapa until I came across Rick's research which proved it conclusively as Casco Bay.
I've noticed the red areas on the deck before. It seems only to be in certain areas. Could this be non skid matting?[/quote]
Here is a shot of Yorktown. I don’t think we are looking at red/brown mats. [url=https://postimg.cc/6TdLfj6w][img]https://i.postimg.cc/QNz4swRB/BC4-A389-D-FDCD-43-F0-8-E7-F-BBF2-ADADAC3-D.jpg[/img][/url]
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:48 pm |
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I wish I could have seen these photos when I was making my patterns. Great view of the rear of the funnel.
Regarding the brown patches, as I recall, CV-6 had similar mats in her gun galleries at about the same time. I think they were cork for non-skid. OTOH, their bright color and the newness of the ship in these photos suggest they might be wood grates. Just speculation on my part, though. The plans should specify materials.
I wish I could have seen these photos when I was making my patterns. Great view of the rear of the funnel.
Regarding the brown patches, as I recall, CV-6 had similar mats in her gun galleries at about the same time. I think they were cork for non-skid. OTOH, their bright color and the newness of the ship in these photos suggest they might be wood grates. Just speculation on my part, though. The plans should specify materials.
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:08 am |
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The second photo is officially listed as "San Diego" on NHHC. I knew that she should be showing the 40mm gun sponson port aft, if that was the case. I found it more likely to be Scapa until I came across Rick's research which proved it conclusively as Casco Bay.
I've noticed the red areas on the deck before. It seems only to be in certain areas. Could this be non skid matting?
The second photo is officially listed as "San Diego" on NHHC. I knew that she should be showing the 40mm gun sponson port aft, if that was the case. I found it more likely to be Scapa until I came across Rick's research which proved it conclusively as Casco Bay.
I've noticed the red areas on the deck before. It seems only to be in certain areas. Could this be non skid matting?
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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:34 am |
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Another group of images I scanned at NARA and turned over to the 5th Floor staff!! The most interesting thing about the series of images that these images came from, was researching the date and location. After cross checking when USS WASHINGTON and NORTH CAROLINA were anchored in the bay at the same time when USS WASP (CV-7) was with them, the only date was 25 March 1942. Just before the USS WASP and USS WASHINGTON Task Force departed to join the RN Home Fleet.
Another group of images I scanned at NARA and turned over to the 5th Floor staff!! :big_grin:
The most interesting thing about the series of images that these images came from, was researching the date and location. After cross checking when USS WASHINGTON and NORTH CAROLINA were anchored in the bay at the same time when USS WASP (CV-7) was with them, the only date was 25 March 1942. Just before the USS WASP and USS WASHINGTON Task Force departed to join the RN Home Fleet.
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:58 pm |
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OK Wasp fans, get out your Linoleum brown paint because her Superstructure decks were linoleum brown in 1942 while wearing MS-12 Mod. Camo. [url=https://postimages.org/][img]https://i.postimg.cc/cJ39S4sJ/Screen_Shot_2020-12-17_at_10.25.28_PM.png[/img][/url] [url=https://postimg.cc/64Gd65gZ][img]https://i.postimg.cc/7hKXV5NK/Screen_Shot_2020-12-17_at_10.26.31_PM.png[/img][/url] [url=https://postimg.cc/Bt85BMbv][img]https://i.postimg.cc/FFpPm6Q0/Screen-Shot-2020-12-17-at-10-26-49-PM.png[/img][/url] [url=https://postimg.cc/LYWtMZCR][img]https://i.postimg.cc/tJq2W3F1/Screen_Shot_2020-12-17_at_10.26.17_PM.png[/img][/url] [url=https://postimg.cc/ygxm5TTv][img]https://i.postimg.cc/B6cmjYP9/Screen-Shot-2020-12-17-at-10-25-57-PM.png[/img][/url]
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:46 pm |
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I think you're right. I haven't this on other US carriers of the time.
I think you're right. I haven't this on other US carriers of the time.
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Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:50 am |
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I don't know for sure, but it looks like a fog horn.
I don't know for sure, but it looks like a fog horn.
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Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:36 am |
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Any ideas what the piece of equipment labeled with the question mark is? https://www.dropbox.com/s/szkioyq9yjqz8ym/May%201940.jpg?dl=0
Any ideas what the piece of equipment labeled with the question mark is?
[img]https://www.dropbox.com/s/szkioyq9yjqz8ym/May%201940.jpg?dl=1[/img]
[url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/szkioyq9yjqz8ym/May%201940.jpg?dl=0[/url]
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Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:17 am |
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MartinJQuinn wrote: TOMLABEL wrote: Wasp was already sunk before the Enterprise got those upgrades as well as flight deck markings. Wasp seems to be at anchor and ENT underway. Well, he did say it was a photo montage Charybdis wrote: Photo montage of WASP and ENTERPRISE. Yes, he did Martin. Quite right. I should have paid more attention to the post than to the pic! Now, someone please help me get out of this barrel of rivets... Kelley
[quote="MartinJQuinn"][quote="TOMLABEL"]Wasp was already sunk before the Enterprise got those upgrades as well as flight deck markings. Wasp seems to be at anchor and ENT underway.[/quote] Well, he did say it was a photo montage [quote="Charybdis"]Photo montage of WASP and ENTERPRISE.[/quote][/quote]
Yes, he did Martin. Quite right. I should have paid more attention to the post than to the pic! :smallsmile:
Now, someone please help me get out of this barrel of rivets...
Kelley
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:05 pm |
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TOMLABEL wrote: Wasp was already sunk before the Enterprise got those upgrades as well as flight deck markings. Wasp seems to be at anchor and ENT underway. Well, he did say it was a photo montage Charybdis wrote: Photo montage of WASP and ENTERPRISE.
[quote="TOMLABEL"]Wasp was already sunk before the Enterprise got those upgrades as well as flight deck markings. Wasp seems to be at anchor and ENT underway.[/quote] Well, he did say it was a photo montage [quote="Charybdis"]Photo montage of WASP and ENTERPRISE.[/quote]
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:51 am |
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Wasp was already sunk before the Enterprise got those upgrades as well as flight deck markings. Wasp seems to be at anchor and ENT underway.
Wasp was already sunk before the Enterprise got those upgrades as well as flight deck markings. Wasp seems to be at anchor and ENT underway.
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:11 pm |
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Photo montage of WASP and ENTERPRISE.
[img]https://www.dropbox.com/s/l4opgk113wttgi7/WASP%20v%20ENTERPRISE.jpg?dl=1[/img]
[url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/l4opgk113wttgi7/WASP%20v%20ENTERPRISE.jpg?dl=0[/url]
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:24 am |
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77 years today, USS WASP was sunk. Task Force 18 Tuesday 15th Sept, 1942 FROM: NOUMEA TO: GUADALCANAL MISSION: ESCORT CONVOY OF 7th MARINE REGIMENT TO REINFORCE GUADALCANAL COM: RADM LEIGH NOYES (WASP) USS WASP USS JUNEAU USS SALT LAKE CITY USS SAN FRANCISCO USS HELENA USS LANSDOWNE USS AARON WARD USS DUNCAN USS LAFFEY USS FARENHOLT USS LARDNER Latest video Episode 8: Commission https://youtu.be/fjMB-B5MQpk
77 years today, USS WASP was sunk.
Task Force 18 Tuesday 15th Sept, 1942
FROM: NOUMEA TO: GUADALCANAL MISSION: ESCORT CONVOY OF 7th MARINE REGIMENT TO REINFORCE GUADALCANAL COM: RADM LEIGH NOYES (WASP)
USS WASP USS JUNEAU USS SALT LAKE CITY USS SAN FRANCISCO USS HELENA USS LANSDOWNE USS AARON WARD USS DUNCAN USS LAFFEY USS FARENHOLT USS LARDNER
Latest video Episode 8: Commission [url]https://youtu.be/fjMB-B5MQpk[/url]
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:12 am |
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Thanks for the comments, guys. I try to keep in mind that all these kits are someone's favorite ship, so I try to be as accurate as available references will allow.
Thanks for the comments, guys. I try to keep in mind that all these kits are someone's favorite ship, so I try to be as accurate as available references will allow.
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Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 3:22 am |
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Thanks for posting, Mike. Yes, it's not your fault and it's an easy mistake to make. Some photos really do give that impression. The Profile Morsky book spelled it out for me. It's a bit sloppy from Aoshima, in my opinion. When you put in the amount of effort needed create a nice little kit like this, you may as well do it right. The SBD's have folding wings, the F4F-4's do not??
I also have Tamiya's CV-8 1/700, which is also underscaled so these two should go nicely together (matching colors!).
Thanks for posting, Mike. Yes, it's not your fault and it's an easy mistake to make. Some photos really do give that impression. The Profile Morsky book spelled it out for me. It's a bit sloppy from Aoshima, in my opinion. When you put in the amount of effort needed create a nice little kit like this, you may as well do it right. The SBD's have folding wings, the F4F-4's do not??
I also have Tamiya's CV-8 1/700, which is also underscaled so these two should go nicely together (matching colors!).
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Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:06 am |
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