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Topic review - Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Hey, question away! Even SME's need to be challenged and "kept honest." In this case you are correct, I forgot/missed that the CV-12 kit has the two-catapult deck, which is incorrect. According to this review it's even the shorter deck for the early long hulls CV-14 and CV-19, although I note that the first picture for the flight deck was lifted from the CV-9 kit review and erroneously shows only a single catapult.

Removing a catapult is tedious but not difficult with the right tools. Get a good metal straight edge and a plastic scribe, mask off and fill maybe 1-2mm around the catapult engraved lines, and then use the existing plank lines, straight edge, and scribing tool to cut across the catapult track to restore the continuous plank lines. Obviously I'd recommend a little practice first, but it's similar to how one fills and fixes planking on multiple deck pieces. On a carrier, there's a LOT less to get in the way of easy ruler placement. I've had to use some odd things for battleships to make it fit.....
Post Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:52 pm
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Tracy White wrote:
Despite being labelled "1945" the CV-12 kit is essentially her "as launched" configuration as Hornet didn't leave the front line from her entry in the Pacific Fleet in March of 1944 to the point that Typhoon damage forced her to the states in June of 1945. It's the best kit to do an early Essex.


I hesitate to question the SME, and correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the Dragon 1/700 CV-12 Hornet kit has two fligh deck catapults. Photographs show that in reality she had only one flight deck catapult during her entire WWII career. I believe she had a hangar deck catrapult also. It is interesting that you can not easily build a Hornet from the Hornet kit nor an Essex from the Essix kit, but it is quite simple to build a Hornet using the Essex kit. Just add a largert radar platform and use the correct radar outfit, add the tripod braces with the slotted lightening holes. You also need to add the two 40mm mounts on the starboard rear side at the hangar deck, inboard, near the rear crane. That seems easier than trying to remove a catapult from the flight deck.

Speaking of those two 40mm mounts, that is what has been holding up my CV-12 build since I last posted here in October, 2014. I have been waiting for the Tracy White Essex book. I have searched far and wide, but have never found a photograph of this area from any of the Essex sisters, with the inboard mounting of these mounts, that show enough detail to scratch build them. If anyone can provide a detailed photo of these I would be forever indebted to you.

If Tracy sees this, I figure you earned my money for a book before I was half way through this thread. You still have a guaranteed sale here, assuming I am still around ;)
Post Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:14 pm
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Tracy White wrote:
I don't have my kit nearby to look at the parts and instructions, but I'll see if I can unbury it in the next couple of weeks.

Oh, thanks very much, but I'm in no hurry whatsoever here. This is more an "updating my want-list" thing than a "planning my next build" thing. I'll need to scrape a lot more of the rust off of my long-dormant model-building skills before I'm ready to tackle a Dragon kit of an aircraft carrier.
Post Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:43 am
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Quick and dirty is that you're going to do most of the CV-16 parts for the 40mms but use the single quad 40mm on the stern instead to the two-quad sponson. 20mm galleries would be the "earlier" parts with the single 20mms and no quad .50mms. Probably some radar differences as well. I don't have my kit nearby to look at the parts and instructions, but I'll see if I can unbury it in the next couple of weeks.
Post Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:22 pm
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Tracy White wrote:
The CV-16 kit is your best starting point to do a mid-to-later ship as it has the most parts for early and late configurations. You get lots of parts to mix and match, which is useful for Intrepid as she had some slightly different configurations. If you post the preferred month and year I can give you more definitive information.


Poking around a bit online and in my books, I think I favor the summer of '44. As usual, there are some discrepancies over the details among the sources I consulted, but I'm looking for the combination of Ms 32/3a camouflage and the bulkier island with only one forward-facing 40mm mounting.
Post Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:45 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
The CV-16 kit is your best starting point to do a mid-to-later ship as it has the most parts for early and late configurations. You get lots of parts to mix and match, which is useful for Intrepid as she had some slightly different configurations. If you post the preferred month and year I can give you more definitive information.

Despite being labelled "1945" the CV-12 kit is essentially her "as launched" configuration as Hornet didn't leave the front line from her entry in the Pacific Fleet in March of 1944 to the point that Typhoon damage forced her to the states in June of 1945. It's the best kit to do an early Essex.
Post Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:54 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
It's possible that this question has already been answered somewhere in the preceding 120 pages of replies, in which case I apologize for duplicating previous efforts.

Anyway, I'm looking to build USS Intrepid in one of her wartime guises, using one of the DML/Dragon 1/700-scale kits as my starting point. I know she was a short-hull Essex, so that narrows down my range of choices to Essex, Lexington, and Hornet. Are all three kits equally suitable, depending on which period in the ship's career I ultimately settle on, or are there factors that either rule out or decisively favor one over the others? The Essex kit is intended to represent the ship in late '43 to early '44; the Lexington kit depicts a late configuration, including twin Oerlikons and quadruple Browning MGs; the Hornet kit seems to show a relatively early setup similar to that of the Essex, and I've been unable to pin down the differences between them. Then of course all three kits follow the usual DML/Dragon practice of including parts that aren't needed for the intended configuration, allowing for considerable built-in leeway for conversion. So do any of you have an opinion on which one would make the best Intrepid?
Post Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:59 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Trumpeter remains the only maker of WWII Essexes in plastic, so yes.
Post Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 10:26 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Hi all, is the trumpeter kit still the best 1/350 plastic kit available?
Post Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 7:19 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Tracy White wrote:
Hey Sean - my book is going to have errors and omissions but hopefully a whole heck of a lot more information than has ever been presented before - just need to find the right publisher. :)


... oh and reserve me a copy of your book as well!!
Post Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:27 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Tracy White wrote:
Hey Joe - welcome to the forum! Sorry for responding a couple of weeks late - somehow I missed the notification email that this thread had been updated.

Bunker Hill and Franklin came out of overhaul at Puget Sound about the same time so any of the modifications that were done to the island should be the same, but they were built at different shipyards so there were minor differences that they left alone (for example the ladder between the flag bridge and navigation bridge). Saying Bunker Hill had an island like no other sister ship is unfortunately something you can say for each of the other sisters - they were all alike and no two were the same other than when initially launched, and even then....

I've been working on a book on the class and have a lot of photos and textual records from the US National Archives. I'm not going to post what I have here 'cause I actually still hope to have there be a desire for the book once it's done, but I will help. PM inbound.


Tracy,

Thanks for the welcome aboard and the info on the BH island and I got your PM and will be in touch.

Starting Monday, I'll be working from home due to the pandemic so it should be interesting to see what my new "normal" will be like for a while...

Stay safe everyone!!
Post Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:25 am
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Hey Sean - my book is going to have errors and omissions but hopefully a whole heck of a lot more information than has ever been presented before - just need to find the right publisher. :)
Post Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:52 pm
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Tracy White wrote:
Hey Joe - welcome to the forum! Sorry for responding a couple of weeks late - somehow I missed the notification email that this thread had been updated.

Bunker Hill and Franklin came out of overhaul at Puget Sound about the same time so any of the modifications that were done to the island should be the same, but they were built at different shipyards so there were minor differences that they left alone (for example the ladder between the flag bridge and navigation bridge). Saying Bunker Hill had an island like no other sister ship is unfortunately something you can say for each of the other sisters - they were all alike and no two were the same other than when initially launched, and even then....

I've been working on a book on the class and have a lot of photos and textual records from the US National Archives. I'm not going to post what I have here 'cause I actually still hope to have there be a desire for the book once it's done, but I will help. PM inbound.


Tracy -

Though I have already completed my build of the entire class, I will most certainly purchase your book if it comes to fruition! (And then read it, and agonize over whether to pull my fleet into refit to fix all the errors I no doubt made! :) )

- Sean F.
Post Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:44 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all WWII Essex Class Carrier Fans!  Reply with quote
Hey Joe - welcome to the forum! Sorry for responding a couple of weeks late - somehow I missed the notification email that this thread had been updated.

Bunker Hill and Franklin came out of overhaul at Puget Sound about the same time so any of the modifications that were done to the island should be the same, but they were built at different shipyards so there were minor differences that they left alone (for example the ladder between the flag bridge and navigation bridge). Saying Bunker Hill had an island like no other sister ship is unfortunately something you can say for each of the other sisters - they were all alike and no two were the same other than when initially launched, and even then....

I've been working on a book on the class and have a lot of photos and textual records from the US National Archives. I'm not going to post what I have here 'cause I actually still hope to have there be a desire for the book once it's done, but I will help. PM inbound.
Post Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:09 pm
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Charybdis,

Thanks for posting that outstanding video. The amount of detail was amazing and the fact it was in color made it that much more enjoyable. I was pleased to see a few seconds of SHANGRI-LA cruising beside YORKTOWN.

WELL DONE,
Bob
Post Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:31 pm
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I'm sharing this awesome footage I found on YouTube called The Return of the Fighting Lady. The film about VF-88 statoned on USS YORKTOWN CV-10 in June 1945. Photo's of CV-10 late war seem quite thin on the ground so I was astonished to see this color footage.

https://youtu.be/PcrbEchf_DU
Post Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:04 am
  Post subject:  Need help modeling USS BUNKER HILL CV-17 January '45 refit  Reply with quote
I'm a newbie to the forum and amazed by the knowledge that is represented on this site! Hopefully someone can lend me a hand....

I discovered this site while doing research to build a scale model of the USS Bunker Hill CV-17 on which my father served during WW2. He was wounded during the kamikaze attacks on May 11, '45, but thankfully not critically. Sadly Dad passed away in 2008 before I had a chance to fulfill my promise to build him an accurate model of the Bunker Hill as she was the day they were hit.

I recently picked up a Trumpeter 1/350 scale USS Franklin to serve as the basis for my build. A while back I stumbled across a thread on a military memorabilia site where the gentleman was offering up a set of plans for the Bunker Hill that were marked up denoting the damage she incurred when the two kamikaze's hit, but sadly the prints had already been sold. Fortunately he had posted images of plan sheets as well as closeups of some of the pages so I downloaded them for reference for my project. This lead to my web search for a set of Bunker Hill plans and recently I finally discovered a scanned set on the web which I immediately downloaded for reference.

As I searched for additional details on the Bunker Hill and her Essex class sisters, I came across ModelMonkey's site that showed he offered several different 1/350 scale islands for the Essex class carriers. I contacted Steve and he was very helpful in my quest for an accurate '45 Bunker Hill island. I sent him the sheet from the downloaded plants covering the island levels and he pointed out to me that set of plans DID NOT reflect the Bunker Hill as she was on May 11th. I checked the cover page of both sets and discovered the scanned set that I had downloaded had been revised two additional times since her January '45 refit.... once in September '45 repairing her damage and then again in September '46 while she was mothballed. Steve also suggested I join this site as there are very knowledgeable members who could assist me in my endeavour.

First, by chance did anyone on this site purchase the set of battle damaged plans or know who did? If so, please get in touch with me to discuss the Jan '45 changes. Steve said that it appears that the Bunker Hill had a very unique island following her refit that was different from her Essex class siblings. Any information or leads on the island particulars would be greatly appreciated!

In closing, I look forward to "meeting" all of you and your help honoring my Father and his service with this model.

My sincere thanks!!
Post Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:20 pm
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Relating to a thought I'd just had over on the "Calling all Iowa Class Fans" thread...

I'm pretty sure that when Essex was contracted, they'd intended her to have 1.1" quads and .50 cal machine guns, probably a decent allotment of ships' boats and related handling cranes, and other features such as we see on CV-8 when first commissioned. Does anyone know a source for the contract drawings prior to the war-experience modifications she completed with? (Maybe even with the planned deck markings? ESSX or maybe just SX at each end? Just thinking of doing a "Wait, that's not right..." could-have-been build.)

- Sean F.
Post Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:39 am
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After digging through everything I could find on her I think the trumpeter kit is a late 1944 early 1945 version of Yorktown after her overhaul in mid 44 but before her repaint was ordered in February of 45 based on that document you linked Tracy. Does that sound right and if it is what major differences in 1/700 scale would she have had by August/September 45?
Post Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:28 pm
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Yes.
Post Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:52 pm

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