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Topic review - Calling all USS Hornet CV-8 fans
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Good view!

Probably the same net as those stored on the starboard side above the gangway.

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:59 pm
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that is port side.
Post Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:27 pm
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John W. wrote:
Ian -
Thanks for posting the high res blow up. Seems to pretty well settle it - floater nets. You can see bits of the netting too. I'm still a bit surprised, but the photo makes it pretty clear. I should note there is one of the Santa Cruz photos of the attempted salvage taken just off the starboard bow looking aft (pretty sharp photo in Doyle's book) that shows something there in the same location. It seems to be thicker - almost like the usual floater net baskets had been installed.
John


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Post Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:36 pm
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Interesting. They look like they are just tied to the rails. Now, what to make them out of.... :scratch:

Thanks fellas!
Post Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:29 pm
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Ian -
Thanks for posting the high res blow up. Seems to pretty well settle it - floater nets. You can see bits of the netting too. I'm still a bit surprised, but the photo makes it pretty clear. I should note there is one of the Santa Cruz photos of the attempted salvage taken just off the starboard bow looking aft (pretty sharp photo in Doyle's book) that shows something there in the same location. It seems to be thicker - almost like the usual floater net baskets had been installed.
John
Post Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:31 am
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I really don't think those are fueling at sea hoses -- attaching a blown up view from that same photo linked above. You can clearly see the rubber sections of the floater net in the larger view:

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For what it's worth, I've noticed floater nets stored this way on many ships early in the war (I suspect before the "neat and seamanlike" baskets became more widespread) -- cruiser and battleship installations come to mind, with floater nets simply piled on turret roofs.
Post Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:00 am
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I still think they are floater nets because of the stripes, the lengths & location in relation to the life rafts further along the hull.
Post Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:16 pm
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David -
Yes, they are located pretty high at first glance. But in the photo you posted one can see the black fueling hose that loops along the side of the ship, hanging from strongbacks, hooks or eyes, that attach to the underside of the flight deck. The forwardmost end of this hose (or one of the hoses if there are two) comes up and over the platform just below the objects under discussion here. The two platforms visible aft of that point are, I believe, the platforms from which the RAS is conducted, not on the main deck. I recall reading that somewhere. In the following picture, a framework with three vertical posts (but without any horizontal walkway) is attached to the underside of the flight deck and visible right under where the objects being discussed are mounted in your picture, so handling the objects which I believe to be hose segments would be fairly simple.
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I have gone back over the MD Silver plans and there are several plans that show these platforms, but their function is never named. Each platform has a vertical ladder from it to the main deck attached to the bulkhead from which the platform is cantilevered.
And to be honest, I cannot explain why the object(s) are not black, or why they seem to have stripes every foot or so. Those could be markings, or joints, or separations consistent with floater nets. If they are the latter, why are they only located there? Did the USN have them that early in the war? And why are they not in the traditional mesh baskets? One other explanation is that they are connected together and used as an oil spill containment boom. And located close to the refueling station where the accidental release of oil in-port is most likely. I don't think the USN was all that worried about those issues in those days, but I offer that for grins.
Post Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:37 pm
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kinda high aren't they? would have thought they be at hanger deck level not flight deck level.
Post Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:45 pm
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MartinJQuinn wrote:
Are the circled items floater nets?
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Martin -
Those are refueling hose segments. They don't show up anywhere else on the ship that I've seen. Just that one location, and near the two small platforms used for refueling just forward of the where the boat crane mechanism was housed (and removed after commissioning). Don't see the hoses on YKTN or ENT, though that's not definitive of anything.
See Doyle's USS HORNET (CV-8) book, page 55 or Wiper's YORKTOWN Class carriers Page 53 for better copies of that photo.
Post Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:27 pm
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no problem.
Post Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:31 pm
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Thanks. I've got different views of them, just trying to confirm that's what they are. I think that's what they are, but I wanted to be sure.
Post Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:23 pm
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yes. http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020831c.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/08.htm
Post Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:05 pm
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Are the circled items floater nets?
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Post Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:58 pm
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Thanks. I never trust anyone else's models for accuracy, as I don't know where they are getting their information from. I could just be repeating someone else's misinterpretation.
Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:44 am
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http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020857e.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020867.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020801.jpg
did you look at the models at the bottom of the page?
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/08.htm
Post Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:43 pm
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Well, after looking at more plans and more photos, I don't think these platforms actually exist. Not sure why they were included, but all I can find are some short vertical ladders leading up to the flight deck from the catwalks.
Post Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:42 pm
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no problem.
Post Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:24 am
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DavidP wrote:
CV-5 – USS Yorktown – Booklet of General Plans, 1940, Yorktown Class https://www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/cv5.pdf


Duh. Forgot about those. Thanks David.
Post Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:27 am
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CV-5 – USS Yorktown – Booklet of General Plans, 1940, Yorktown Class https://www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/cv5.pdf
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