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OK, don't know if anyone is still out there, but here goes. Have question for you Arizona guys. Were the stays or guide wires still in place for the stack or funnel after her last overhual at Bremerton? I know that they were on the Pennsylvania from pictures taken in 42 after repairs after Pearl attack. But have found no pics of Arizona where I could tell if they were still there. If so where would they have been anchored to the ship. It seems that they should still be there to hold the funnel in place. But make no assumpions at this time.
On another note others have wondered where the cables that ran up the outside of the mast legs in earler day were moved to. They were run up the inside of the center legs on both masts. Seen pics showing this as well as a ladder that ran to the top inside. No place for someone who was claustrophobic.

Great catch on the skylight!

Anchors were not dropped. The ships were tied up to the quays, but I don't have any drawings or diagrams.

Anyone know if the anchors were dropped while the Arizona was moored at Pearl Harbor? Anyone have any pics of how the ships on Battleship Row were tied up? Thanks!

Gunfighter, welcome! If you go back one page in this thread the deck lights were briefly discussed. They were most likely gone (plated/teaked over) in the mid to late 1930s. What year are you building your Arizona to represent?

Others could confirm, but it seems like they're what we'd call 'skylights' in regular architecture: a way for natural light to reach into the hull to provide lighting without/in addition to interior electric lights.

Hello everyone

Does anybody can help with shell expansion of lower part of Arizona hull. I'm looking for any drawings

thanks
chris

Jeff,
Point well taken! The drawings were dated in the early/mid '30s, so by late '30s both ships could have had them removed and decked over.

Hank

Hi Hank,
I don’t know if either Arizona or Pennsylvania retained these lights into the late 30’s/ early 40’s. This Pennsylvania pic would suggest the lights were removed and filled in with teak blanks.

Jeff,
Thanks for pointing out the deck lights - I completely missed those being there!! They are also present on the 2nd deck (below) drawings, as well!!

I'll put that in the "Vault" for review when I get to my 1940's PENNSY build.

Hank

I oftened wondered what the little circles on her teak decks were supposed to be. Now I know. Deck lights. Go figure.

Ian,

Thanks! I saw that about the title, etc. The prices are really outrageous for the hardcopy version. But, I'm not into Kindle or elec. books, so...I may have to think about this one a bit.

Hank

Sorry, the entire title for the Friedman book is Naval Firepower: Battleship Guns and Gunnery in the Dreadnought Era.

Hardcover is available on Amazon for the very low price of $105...... https://www.amazon.com/Naval-Firepower- ... 1591145554

Alternatively, it's available on Kindle or e-reader format for $11.49: https://www.amazon.com/Naval-Firepower- ... 5NXRGS6JBM

I actually highly recommend the Kindle format as you can search for text terms in the book to more easily find things...

Neither of the tops for AZ or PA were hit by any bombs (do not know about strafing hits) but the WV (?) had a bomb hit through one of the tops -- just don't recall off the cuff what the extent of damage was, but I want to say it went through a platform before hitting one of the turrets. I'll check my PH refs and follow-up.

Jim/Ian,

Thanks so much for directing me back to MY OWN set of those plan views in the PENNSY 1931 drawings which I had scanned at NARA in 2016. I had forgotten they were there.

I will indeed check out Norman Fieldman's book Battleship's Guns & Gunnery - that's one I don't actually have in my library. I can only imagine what those battery control crews were thinking on both PA & AZ when the P.H. attack took place. I wonder if either of those F.C. tops were hit at all.

Anyhow, thanks for posting!

Hank

Thanks, Ian, I have wondered about that equipment but haven't seen much about it. I have a few of Mr Friedman's books but not that one -- I'll have to add that to my list!

Those are excellent plans - you can add a lot of detail just based on those.

For info on the "gun directors" shown in those plans, check Norman Friedman's "Battleship Guns and Gunnery" -- this book has lengthy descriptions of all the USN pre-war fire control systems for the battleships, including photos/drawings from ordnance pamphlets in some cases. Certainly enough to create a basic model for 3D printing if desired.

I've wondered the same thing for YEARS! See if this shows the detail you're looking for... These are for Pennsylvania and dated 8 Dec 1931 and show a more detailed "General" view.

Here's an earlier version drawing which shows what I mentioned regarding the vents and the decking on the veg locker. It also appears to show the "edge" divider I mentioned in conjunction with the salvage picture. This is an excerpt of a drawing dated 1931 (exact date illegible).

Jim,

Referring to the Interior layouts of equipment and so forth. I would love to see any drawings (blueprints) of the interior equipment arrangements of the fire control tops on these ships (AZ/PA/OK/etc.). There are 2 levels inside, more than likely utilizing a ladder for access between. Somewhere, there had to have been drawings made that shows all the details, etc.

By F.C. Top I mean:

What's inside this Bad Boy????