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Topic review - Calling all Russian Potemkin (Потёмкин) fans
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Hi,

Here are some images showing my progress so far. the pictures are still a little fuzzy, but I think you can see how it is coming along. I still need to clean up some of the details a little, but so far I'm prety happy with it. Its mostly bulit up from plastic sheet, with a Bass would base.

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Regards

Pat
Post Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:28 pm
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Post Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:24 am
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Hi,

Here is a CAD sketch that I have put together showing the stuff I traced off some of the line drawings that you have posted (as shown in Red) while the part in Blue shows a revised drawing that I put together estimating some stuff off the pictures that I posted. In the Blue version I mostly flattened he forward and aft face of the conning tower and made the top part squarer.

At 1/400 scale it probably doesn't make a lot of difference but I may try and put together both options to see how they look.

Thanks for your help.

Regards

Pat

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Post Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 10:09 pm
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Post Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 1:30 pm
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Hi,

Thanks. I had seen the platform on the paper model, but hadn't noticed that it wasn't on the plastic model. I'll look into trying to build a copy of that later.

Currently, I'm still working on the conning tower. I put together a CAD sketch based on some ofthe figures that have posted here, but recently I noticed some additional images on the internet (including here http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/model ... nteleimon/ and here http://armoured.ru/knyaz_potemkin_tavricheskiy/ ) that might help add a little extra detail.

Specifically, from some of these images the shading in the photos kind of makes the front of the conning tower a little flatter than shown in some of the previous sketches that I have seen.

Here are some close ups that might help show what I mean.

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I'm going to try and rework my CAD sketches to reflect this.

Also, here is a close up of another picture that appears to show the ship without the Pilot House above the Conning Tower.

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Regards

PF
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Post Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 4:38 pm
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Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I recieved my kit a short while ago and I'm very pleased with it. The version of the kit I'm planing to build is from Ark models and as I understand it, it's actually a re-release of an old kit that was originally developed by Heller many years ago. It actually took me awhile to get ahold of it, as the first couple places that I tried to order it from either currently no longer had it in stock, had gone out of business, or I had problems getting Paypal to work with. In the end I actually ended up getting my copy from a company in the Czech Republic.

After ordering, it arrived a few weeks later in pretty good shape. There was only a very small/faint dent in the box lid and a couple pieces had come loose from the sprues, but the only real damage appears to be that one piece looks a little warped (as shown in the bottom picture below - its the lower left hand piece).

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In general the model reminds me alot of some of the Airfix, Revell, and Monogram models that I had built when I was young. The hull looks nicely molded with reasonably formed port holes. Though one thing I noticed was that the location where the propeller shafts and fairings attached to the hull is not really well defined. I guess I'll have to be very careful about fitting up that part of the model.

With respect to the decks, when I first looked at them I thought that they were smooth, but on closer examination I saw very faint deck plank lines (as shown below). Unfortunately, my pictures aren't all that clear but there are also some pour marks and other such things that may have to be cleaned up, so I'll probably also have to be fairly careful here as well.

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With respect to the superstructure, these parts seem fairly simple and lacking in details with respect to scribing lines, port holes or other details. It looks like this is likely due to the way the model molds are formed, and in a lot of ways particularly reminds me of some of the Airfix models that I used to build. I've bought some generic 1/400 scale photo-etched rails and ladders for the model, and I might also look into trying to maybe scratch build some aditional details for the superstructure and maybe try and drill out some port holes, etc if I have the time and feel up to it.

Alot of the other parts like the small boats seem nicley detailed though. The other main thing that I notice is that the color of the plastic seems a little faint in comparison to one of the few other kits that I currently have (a re-release of the Glencoe USS Oregon model). I don't think that this is a big deal though. Finally, I do notice a little bit of flash in some areas, but this too doesn't seem to different from alot of the models that I previously built and doesn't look out of character for a model of this vintage. As shown in the pictires below I think that it all looks like it should be fairly easy to clean up, too.

With respect to the instructions they are more along the lines of just some exploded views of how the parts go together rather than step by step instructions. But this doesn't really look to be a problem, its just that its a little different than what I previously have been used to. But since there does not appear to be any specific starting point I'm probably going to start by scratchbuilding up some of the superstructure parts, based on the helpful info that I have gotten from the posters here.

Regards

PF

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Post Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 8:09 pm
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Post Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 6:58 am
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Hi,

Thank you very much for those images. They help alot. I'm hoping to start the model this weekend and I might begin by scratch building a new conning tower using those images as a guide.

Regards

Pat
Post Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:31 pm
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Post Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:43 am
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Hi,

Thank you very much. I had a chance to make some scans and noticed that I made a mistake in my previous post. What I should have said was that on the model the Conning Tower has a rounded front and a flat back face as shown as part 20 in the image below.

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On the paper model it is kind of a rounded triangle as shown in the image below.

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In the Russian Language modeling guide the conning tower looks egg shaped with the opening in the back (with a curved plate behind it) as shown below.

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With respect to the Pilot House, the shape in the model is shown as part 22 in the 1st image above. The shape in the paper model is shown below.

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And finally the shape in the modeling guide is similar as shown below.

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I think I'll maybe try and make a new Pilot House for the model with notches like in the last two images, but I haven't decided what to do yet for the Conning Tower.

Thanks again for your help.

Regards

Pat
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Post Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:46 pm
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Hi,
Thanks for all the feedback. Based on the posts above, it looks like this image http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/models/ships/Panteleimon/photos/Potemkin_1905_Paintscheme.jpg might be a reasonable depiction of the ship in June-July 1905.

In looking over some of the stuff on the internet & my model though, a couple other questions have come up, regarding the shape of the conning tower and bridge. In the model the shape of the bridge is fairly, simple, as shown in this image of the Heller version of this model as shown on the Steel Navy Website. ( http://steelnavy.com/images/2004%20February/potemkinbowRW.JPG)

This is the shape that is also shown in the sketch of the ship in the book "Warships of the Imperial Russian Navy" by V.M. Tomitch. However the paper model plans and the Russian Language Model Guide I bought show a slightly more complex shape with notches for doors in the side like shown @ this link to the Paper Modeling.Net site. ( http://www.papermodeling.net/images/models/179_2_orel.jpg.jpg) Most of the images I have come across of the actual ship haven't been detailed enough for me to make out which arrangement is most correct for the ship or whether this structure may have been revised over the life of the ship.

For now I'm going to assume the version with the notches is correct for this time period, but I wanted to see if anyone here might have better info.

Also, with regards to the shape of the conning tower when looking from above in the model it kind of looks like an 'egg' shaped Oval with the aft end more rounded than the front. In the Paper Model booklet I bought it is shown as being similar, though the front end may be a little more pointed, perhaps a little more like a rounded triangle shape when viewed from above, similar to this view from the Steel Navy Website review of a 1/700 scale Combrig model of the ship ( http://steelnavy.com/images/Combrig%20Panteleimon/Pan2706ct.JPG ). [Please note that in this image the conning tower is at the top of the image and is shown upside]

However, the model guide shows this structure as consisting of two parts, with the main tower being egg shaped when viewed from above, but having an opening on its aft side. The second piece is a curved surface that sits aft of the opening similar to (but not exactly the same as) what is shown in this image from a post on the Battleship Borodino. ( http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/download/file.php?id=18964&mode=view)

(I will try to post some images or scans of what I have tried to describe above, later, if I get a chance).

Anyway, if anyone has any better input on what this structure may have actually looked like, it would also be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Regards

PF
Post Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:28 pm
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Whenever present those "bands" seems to be associated with "collar" above the "sleeve"... Maybe (just maybe) those "collars" were painted dark or there was some process which caused that paint on them deteriorated faster than on the rest of the funnel?
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Post Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:04 am
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Ochre it was indeed. It is listed as one of the pigments used on Russian warships of the period. And about bands on Potiemkin's the funnels... What period are you talking about John? During WWI some Russian ships did carry bands on their funnels.
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Post Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:10 pm
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John - my mistake, two different models indeed! But, just to muddy the waters, here is a fragment of a article about Potiemkin by Falk Pletscher:

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So maybe Potiemkin's funnels were white with black tops after all? In comparison to other IRN warships we really know very little about painting schemes used by Black Sea units. And, since those funnels DO look to be of the same colour as the rest of the superstucture, maybe they were?
Post Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:12 pm
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Hi,

Looking closely at the image posted by Peppe and the model's box art, here is a real rough cartoon of what I am currently thinking for a color scheme.

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In general I'm thinking of a flat red lower hull, a thin white boot topping, a flat black upper hull, main turrets and midship's deck topped by a thin white band. I also plan to make the aft deck house, the conning tower, and bases of the funnels white, with the mid funnels, cranes, and lower masts buff (or pale yellow). For the upper funnels and masts, I am planning on painting them black.

Right now I am thinking of painting the Pilot House, bridge wings, and cranes buff, though I might also consider painting these in white depending if I can find more info.

Anyway, thank you all for your info.

Regards

PF
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