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A beautiful colorized shot of a well-known photo of the Battleship Bretagne. The colors seem right for the time, around 1916. The brick red of the antifouling is only present to a height of about 1.30 m, underneath it's Paris green or Schweinfurt green. https://journals-openedition-org.transl ... r_pto=wapp A beautiful colorized shot of a well-known photo of the Battleship Bretagne.
The colors seem right for the time, around 1916.
The brick red of the antifouling is only present to a height of about 1.30 m, underneath it's Paris green or Schweinfurt green.
https://journals-openedition-org.translate.goog/hms/4370?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=wapp
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The Iceman 200 3 D scratch model ...is to date.... THE datum line for Bretagne... ! viewtopic.php?f=13&t=366021Had I only... all those years ago... when I built my Delphis Bretagne .... known of all the excellent images that Iceman has found and analysed ! The Iceman 200 3 D scratch model ...is to date....
[u]THE [/u] datum line for Bretagne... !
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=366021
Had I only... all those years ago...
when I built my Delphis Bretagne ....
known of all the excellent images that Iceman has found and analysed !
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Hi all, I took the plunge and bought the new SS Model 3D printed kit of Bretagne. Even though I have very little knowledge of the details of the ship itself, this kit has several issues. Thought I'd post some pictures here to get some feedback. This will be a "review" of sorts, so if this should be in the Reviews section it can be moved there, but I have some questions, so hopefully I can get some answers in this thread. First up, it comes with virtually non existent instructions, just a sheet with 5 poorly printed close-ups from the CAD drawings showing the assembled areas for the few part "sprues". Attachment:
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The kit is cast in an orange-coloured resin. There is a waterline hull that looks nice at first glance, cleanly printed, but then the decks are smooth as ice - no grooves for wood planks. I've seen Jim Bauman's Bretagne and it has wood decks, but I've also seen pictures that suggest the decks were steel (at least as built) maybe with a corticene-like covering??? The forecastle deck is also missing the capstan for the port anchor chain. Attachment:
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The kit should be an extremely simple build as the superstructure parts are printed in 4 pieces only - bridge with fore-funnel (with all platforms)and middle turret deck, foremast with spotting top, rear funnel, aft superstructure including boat deck. These are printed in a protective "crate" sort of like a milk crate (as are the other parts). In the same "crate" are the main turrets and cranes. There are brass barrels for the main and secondary armaments, but no PE. Attachment:
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The above pics show the superstructure "crate", the second with the sides removed. I noticed slots on the bridge wings for the secondary directors (which I ID'd from photos/drawings), but there are no directors in the kit. Also missing are the prominent horizontal aerials on either side of the spotting top. I'll have to see what I can figure out to replace those. Attachment:
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Above is the mainmast which is 3D printed, but the topmast is so thin, it's bent like a palm tree in a hurricane! It'll need replacement. Other part "crates" below, boats and AA guns. Attachment:
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My main concern right now are the hull decks. Were they wood planked in WW2 or were they steel? And should corticene be applied to superstructure steel decks? Would that have been the case in WW2? Or were they dark grey as depicted in some drawings? See this Britmodeller thread: https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/ind ... 200-scale/ The CAD images in this thread are for her WW1 fit. Thanks in advance for any help! Hi all,
I took the plunge and bought the new SS Model 3D printed kit of Bretagne. Even though I have very little knowledge of the details of the ship itself, this kit has several issues. Thought I'd post some pictures here to get some feedback.
This will be a "review" of sorts, so if this should be in the Reviews section it can be moved there, but I have some questions, so hopefully I can get some answers in this thread.
First up, it comes with virtually non existent instructions, just a sheet with 5 poorly printed close-ups from the CAD drawings showing the assembled areas for the few part "sprues".
[attachment=6]Bretagne kit (1).jpg[/attachment]
The kit is cast in an orange-coloured resin. There is a waterline hull that looks nice at first glance, cleanly printed, but then the decks are smooth as ice - no grooves for wood planks. I've seen Jim Bauman's Bretagne and it has wood decks, but I've also seen pictures that suggest the decks were steel (at least as built) maybe with a corticene-like covering???
The forecastle deck is also missing the capstan for the port anchor chain.
[attachment=5]Bretagne kit (8).jpg[/attachment]
The kit should be an extremely simple build as the superstructure parts are printed in 4 pieces only - bridge with fore-funnel (with all platforms)and middle turret deck, foremast with spotting top, rear funnel, aft superstructure including boat deck. These are printed in a protective "crate" sort of like a milk crate (as are the other parts). In the same "crate" are the main turrets and cranes.
There are brass barrels for the main and secondary armaments, but no PE.
[attachment=4]Bretagne kit (3).jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=3]Bretagne kit (7).jpg[/attachment]
The above pics show the superstructure "crate", the second with the sides removed. I noticed slots on the bridge wings for the secondary directors (which I ID'd from photos/drawings), but there are no directors in the kit. Also missing are the prominent horizontal aerials on either side of the spotting top. I'll have to see what I can figure out to replace those.
[attachment=2]Bretagne kit (6).jpg[/attachment]
Above is the mainmast which is 3D printed, but the topmast is so thin, it's bent like a palm tree in a hurricane! It'll need replacement. Other part "crates" below, boats and AA guns.
[attachment=1]Bretagne kit (4).jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=0]Bretagne kit (5).jpg[/attachment]
My main concern right now are the hull decks. Were they wood planked in WW2 or were they steel?
And should corticene be applied to superstructure steel decks? Would that have been the case in WW2? Or were they dark grey as depicted in some drawings?
See this Britmodeller thread:
https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235113496-battleship-bretagne-france-3d-realisation-1200-scale/
The CAD images in this thread are for her WW1 fit.
Thanks in advance for any help!
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About colors: Some other references here: viewtopic.php?f=47&t=46997&start=40Cuirassé Bretagne 1/200: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=366021Plans & Drawings: General list : http://www.shipmodell.com/index_files/0PLAN5A.html#2SBattleship Bretagne plans: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B32-8Z ... PDNXfRG9kgFrom the french book & plans " Les Cuirassés de 23 500 tonnes":  "5. Special paints and marks: 51. Paintings: The hull up to the waterline is painted green (Schweinfurth green), the topsides and the superstructures are grey-bluish, a classic color since its adoption in February 1908. Only the strake at the top of the funnels is black. From 1915, that is to say during the period of the tests, the steel of the 340 turrets and their guns was stripped bare and treated with a "greasy plug" to prevent corrosion. These "fat plugs" contained a mixture of grease and lampblack, which gives the main artillery turrets that shiny black hue seen in photos from this era. Towards the end of the war (1918), the shaft of the rear mast. is painted black in its upper half to avoid soiling due to fumes. Pursuant to the Ministerial Circular of November 30, 1920, the tranche of waterline is painted black over a height of one meter (0.50 m from and the other side of the water line 10). The launch boats are painted bluish gray with white interior. The vertical parts of the deckhouses of the launches are kept "clear" or varnished if they are wooden, otherwise they are painted the color of the boat. The roofs are painted gray for the steamers, white for the launches. 52. Specific marks: Since 1912, the particular marks of battleships and cruisers consist of white rings painted around one of the funnels. These rings make it possible, within a squadron, to identify the division to which it belongs and the rank of a ship in this division. The code used has already been explained during the presentation of Courbet type battleships. Between 1916, the year of their entry into service, and their first overhaul, the three Class "Bretagne" frequently changed particular marks, so the study of the latter is the subject of a table in the appendix, common to all battleships. of 23,500 tons."  From the book " French battleships of WW1 " :  Jean Bart in drydock 1916. You can see the 3 bands..  Extract from the book by Laurent Roblin and Luc Féron. "La Royale à la Belle Epoque".  In 1995, Laurent Roblin, chief curator of the Musée de la Batellerie in Conflans-Sainte-Honorine, discovered a large metal box at the bottom of one of the museum's storage rooms. Inside, fourteen boxes of glass plates? This collection, which had been sleeping in a storeroom since 1967, turns out to be of inestimable value. What are we looking at? 223 images of exceptional quality and totally unpublished, based on the theme of the Royale, the French Navy, from 1895 to 1914. Translate: "The boundary between the dead and the live works is materialized by a white band about 25 cm above the waterline. As far as the color of the living works is concerned, the campaign specifications all specify, when the matter is mentioned, that during the passages in the basin, the hull was repainted with "Schwein-furth green". We also owe Jean Guiglini the formula for the composition of this painting, and we give it here for the benefit of model builders who would like to get a closer look at reality. (Extract from the magazine LA NATURE ler semestre 1930 p. 47). - Mercury soap 15% - Rosin 20% - Turpentine 20% - Lead soap 15% - Linseed oil 20% - Copper acetoarsenate 15% This last material, toxic for marine organisms, and having a very bright aquamarine green color, gives this paint its tint and its anti-shellfish and algae characteristics (nowadays, it looks like an "antifouling" paint) But the problem is not so simple! Indeed, the black and white photographs of the building taken during this period all show, under the white net of the waterline, a dark area that cannot be the result of a green tint. Furthermore, the paintings, watercolors and colored postcards generally show a red area under the white line in question. Finally, the estimates for the work done on various buildings at that time, and on the Bouvet in particular, mention, in addition to the Schweinfurth" green, the use of lead minium in large quantities. The explanation seems clear to us and is, for example, visible in the photo of the Carnot at the basin. While the minium was used as a protective layer against rust, a layer of "Schweinfurth green" was applied afterwards to protect the hull as much as possible against organic dirt. When floating, the main problem is corrosion - it is the oxygen in the air that attacks the iron; this is probably the reason why an area of about one meter, painted with minium, was kept at the top of the living works, just under the white border.  About colors:
Some other references here:
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=46997&start=40
Cuirassé Bretagne 1/200:
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=366021
Plans & Drawings:
General list : http://www.shipmodell.com/index_files/0PLAN5A.html#2S
Battleship Bretagne plans:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B32-8ZWvIt6UM29ENHIwWV9jSnc/view?resourcekey=0-JqQ1XC8GHZ7QPDNXfRG9kg
From the french book & plans " Les Cuirassés de 23 500 tonnes":
[img]https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71SQMk2u79L.jpg[/img]
"5. Special paints and marks:
51. Paintings:
The hull up to the waterline is painted green (Schweinfurth green), the topsides and the superstructures are grey-bluish, a classic color since its adoption in February 1908. Only the strake at the top of the funnels is black.
From 1915, that is to say during the period of the tests, the steel of the 340 turrets and their guns was stripped bare and treated with a "greasy plug" to prevent corrosion. These "fat plugs" contained a mixture of grease and lampblack, which gives the main artillery turrets that shiny black hue seen in photos from this era.
Towards the end of the war (1918), the shaft of the rear mast. is painted black in its upper half to avoid soiling due to fumes. Pursuant to the Ministerial Circular of November 30, 1920, the tranche of waterline is painted black over a height of one meter (0.50 m from and the other side of the water line 10).
The launch boats are painted bluish gray with white interior. The vertical parts of the deckhouses of the launches are kept "clear" or varnished if they are wooden, otherwise they are painted the color of the boat. The roofs are painted gray for the steamers, white for the launches.
52. Specific marks:
Since 1912, the particular marks of battleships and cruisers consist of white rings painted around one of the funnels. These rings make it possible, within a squadron, to identify the division to which it belongs and the rank of a ship in this division. The code used has already been explained during the presentation of Courbet type battleships.
Between 1916, the year of their entry into service, and their first overhaul, the three Class "Bretagne" frequently changed particular marks, so the study of the latter is the subject of a table in the appendix, common to all battleships. of 23,500 tons."
[url=https://postimg.cc/8jRjg974][img]https://i.postimg.cc/3J6pmH7s/20221223133437.png[/img][/url]
From the book " French battleships of WW1 " :
[url=https://postimg.cc/dk9wxPHZ][img]https://i.postimg.cc/bJ7rdq1g/815hds-A6-JNL.jpg[/img][/url]
Jean Bart in drydock 1916. You can see the 3 bands..
[url=https://postimages.org/][img]https://i.postimg.cc/g0G06MX9/20221223133402.png[/img][/url]
Extract from the book by Laurent Roblin and Luc Féron. "La Royale à la Belle Epoque".
[url=https://postimg.cc/1fXsJdp4][img]https://i.postimg.cc/gkqjkFjy/719-ZR0s-JRLL.jpg[/img][/url]
In 1995, Laurent Roblin, chief curator of the Musée de la Batellerie in Conflans-Sainte-Honorine, discovered a large metal box at the bottom of one of the museum's storage rooms. Inside, fourteen boxes of glass plates? This collection, which had been sleeping in a storeroom since 1967, turns out to be of inestimable value.
What are we looking at?
223 images of exceptional quality and totally unpublished, based on the theme of the Royale, the French Navy, from 1895 to 1914.
Translate:
"The boundary between the dead and the live works is materialized by a white band about 25 cm above the waterline.
As far as the color of the living works is concerned, the campaign specifications all specify, when the matter is mentioned, that during the passages in the basin, the hull was repainted with "Schwein-furth green". We also owe Jean Guiglini the formula for the composition of this painting, and we give it here for the benefit of model builders who would like to get a closer look at reality. (Extract from the magazine LA NATURE ler semestre 1930 p. 47).
- Mercury soap 15%
- Rosin 20%
- Turpentine 20%
- Lead soap 15%
- Linseed oil 20%
- Copper acetoarsenate 15%
This last material, toxic for marine organisms, and having a very bright aquamarine green color, gives this paint its tint and its anti-shellfish and algae characteristics (nowadays, it looks like an "antifouling" paint)
But the problem is not so simple! Indeed, the black and white photographs of the building taken during this period all show, under the white net of the waterline, a dark area that cannot be the result of a green tint. Furthermore, the paintings, watercolors and colored postcards generally show a red area under the white line in question. Finally, the estimates for the work done on various buildings at that time, and on the Bouvet in particular, mention, in addition to the Schweinfurth" green, the use of lead minium in large quantities.
The explanation seems clear to us and is, for example, visible in the photo of the Carnot at the basin. While the minium was used as a protective layer against rust, a layer of "Schweinfurth green" was applied afterwards to protect the hull as much as possible against organic dirt. When floating, the main problem is corrosion - it is the oxygen in the air that attacks the iron; this is probably the reason why an area of about one meter, painted with minium, was kept at the top of the living works, just under the white border.
[url=https://postimg.cc/xkTkR5TR][img]https://i.postimg.cc/QMcpjY2R/20221223130218.png[/img][/url]
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2022 7:56 am |
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Yes ! The Delphis kit so far has awesome casting   Yes !
The Delphis kit so far has awesome casting :) :thumbs_up_1:
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:17 pm |
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Thanks Martin for your input !
Thanks Martin for your input !
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:36 pm |
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Atma wrote: Thanks again Martin, compared to the HP kit, in your opinion wich is better, casting wise. Delphis or HP ?
Thanks in advance. The Delphis kit, even though it's older, is better cast, in my opinion. [quote="Atma"]Thanks again Martin, compared to the HP kit, in your opinion wich is better, casting wise. Delphis or HP ?
Thanks in advance.[/quote]
The Delphis kit, even though it's older, is better cast, in my opinion.
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:15 pm |
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Thanks again Martin, compared to the HP kit, in your opinion wich is better, casting wise. Delphis or HP ?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks again Martin, compared to the HP kit, in your opinion wich is better, casting wise. Delphis or HP ?
Thanks in advance.
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:38 am |
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:50 am |
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I might order the Delphis Models Bretagne class battleship in 1/700, any comments/impressions/accuracy etc about the Delphis model ?
Thanks in advance.
I might order the Delphis Models Bretagne class battleship in 1/700, any comments/impressions/accuracy etc about the Delphis model ?
Thanks in advance.
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:28 am |
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Available kits (all in 1/700):HP Models Provence (1940) HP Models Lorraine (1944) Delphis Models Bretagne Gallery:1/700 Delphis Bretagne by Jim Baumann
[b][u]Available kits (all in 1/700)[/u]:[/b]
HP Models Provence (1940)
HP Models Lorraine (1944)
Delphis Models Bretagne
[b][u]Gallery[/u]:[/b]
1/700 Delphis [url=http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/fr/bretagne/700-wsw-jb/bretagne.html]Bretagne[/url] by Jim Baumann
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Cliffy B wrote: Les Cuirassés de 23 500 Tonnes sounds like its the best bet as books go. While looking around on the net for a stateside copy I keep finding the 1980 edition. Is that the only one available or is there a newer one out there? The French website doesn't mention and I just want to be sure I'm not missing out on a newer copy with extra stuff  Its a shame I didn't take French in high school, took Spanish instead, d'oh! Guess I'll learn the hard way I always wanted to learn it anyway so it'll be a neat experience. I put in a request at my local library to see if they track down a copy. They're usually pretty good about finding books within their network. We'll see what turns up. If they can't find it I'll order a copy. -Mike Mike, the French website has the latest edition (04/2005). Photos are normal to large size and drawings are double page format. Even without speaking French at all, there are lots of photos and drawings. And, if you'll need some additional assistance, as I own a copy, i will help you  Gilbert [quote="Cliffy B"]
[i]Les Cuirassés de 23 500 Tonnes[/i] sounds like its the best bet as books go. While looking around on the net for a stateside copy I keep finding the 1980 edition. Is that the only one available or is there a newer one out there? The French website doesn't mention and I just want to be sure I'm not missing out on a newer copy with extra stuff :big_grin: Its a shame I didn't take French in high school, took Spanish instead, d'oh! Guess I'll learn the hard way :big_grin: I always wanted to learn it anyway so it'll be a neat experience. I put in a request at my local library to see if they track down a copy. They're usually pretty good about finding books within their network. We'll see what turns up. If they can't find it I'll order a copy.
-Mike[/quote]
Mike, the French website has the latest edition (04/2005). Photos are normal to large size and drawings are double page format. Even without speaking French at all, there are lots of photos and drawings. And, if you'll need some additional assistance, as I own a copy, i will help you :smallsmile:
Gilbert
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Awesome guys, thanks a million for the line drawings and the info! Les Cuirassés de 23 500 Tonnes sounds like its the best bet as books go. While looking around on the net for a stateside copy I keep finding the 1980 edition. Is that the only one available or is there a newer one out there? The French website doesn't mention and I just want to be sure I'm not missing out on a newer copy with extra stuff Its a shame I didn't take French in high school, took Spanish instead, d'oh! Guess I'll learn the hard way I always wanted to learn it anyway so it'll be a neat experience. I put in a request at my local library to see if they track down a copy. They're usually pretty good about finding books within their network. We'll see what turns up. If they can't find it I'll order a copy. How's Wayne's French BB book? I have his US BB book and was not very impressed by it. I bought it mainly because I love his paintings and was thrilled when I found he released them in a book. I got it only to find that they are TINY (maybe 3"x5" at most) and horribly pixelated, same goes for the line drawings  Being an artist I know all about taking precautions to make sure your work isn't pirated but that's a little extreme, oh well. Is the French one the same way?  Thanks again guys! -Mike Awesome guys, thanks a million for the line drawings and the info!
[i]Les Cuirassés de 23 500 Tonnes[/i] sounds like its the best bet as books go. While looking around on the net for a stateside copy I keep finding the 1980 edition. Is that the only one available or is there a newer one out there? The French website doesn't mention and I just want to be sure I'm not missing out on a newer copy with extra stuff :big_grin: Its a shame I didn't take French in high school, took Spanish instead, d'oh! Guess I'll learn the hard way :big_grin: I always wanted to learn it anyway so it'll be a neat experience. I put in a request at my local library to see if they track down a copy. They're usually pretty good about finding books within their network. We'll see what turns up. If they can't find it I'll order a copy.
How's Wayne's French BB book? I have his US BB book and was not very impressed by it. I bought it mainly because I love his paintings and was thrilled when I found he released them in a book. I got it only to find that they are TINY (maybe 3"x5" at most) and horribly pixelated, same goes for the line drawings :doh_1: Being an artist I know all about taking precautions to make sure your work isn't pirated but that's a little extreme, oh well. Is the French one the same way? :frown_2:
Thanks again guys!
-Mike
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http://dash63.livejournal.com/ one more illustration from this site ciao peppe
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http://dash63.livejournal.com/ one more illustration from this site
ciao peppe
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:11 am |
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Mike, One of the best reference regarding Lorraine is this book "Les cuirassés de 23500t" by Robert Dumas and Jean Guiglini. This French book covers all ships of "Courbet" and "Bretagne" classes with lots of photos,drawings and tips vey useful for the modeller. You can get it here : http://www.avions-bateaux.com/en/catalo ... e_193.html. HTH Gilbert Mike,
One of the best reference regarding Lorraine is this book "Les cuirassés de 23500t" by Robert Dumas and Jean Guiglini. This French book covers all ships of "Courbet" and "Bretagne" classes with lots of photos,drawings and tips vey useful for the modeller.
You can get it here : http://www.avions-bateaux.com/en/catalogue-livre-catalogue_193.html.
HTH
Gilbert
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I've just recently come across these battleships (never studied French ships) and didn't see a thread for them so here we go. After searching the board and the net I've come to realize that photos of the three ships are hard to come by. I'm interested in Lorraine in particular after she was re-built and supporting the Allies in France in 1944. Does anyone know of any good sources (internet, print, etc...) for photos/plans of Lorraine from that time period? I found plans for her and Bretagne over on http://www.servicehistorique.sga.defense.gouv.fr/02fonds-collections/banquedocuments/planbato/planbato/listebato/listebato.php but they are from 1913. Also, I found a 1/700 resin kit of Lorraine in her 1944 fit (  ) from H-P Models. I've tried finding a review or build of the kit but have come up short. Can anyone comment on any aspect of the kit? Ultimately I want to build the Lorraine as she was off beaches during Operation Dragoon as well as do a few drawings/paintings of her throughout her years of service. My mothers side of the family is part French, my mother happens to be named Lorraine, and upon hearing that there was a French battleship with the same name she's wanted a painting ever since  Any and all help is appreciated guys. Thanks in advance, -Mike I've just recently come across these battleships (never studied French ships) and didn't see a thread for them so here we go.
After searching the board and the net I've come to realize that photos of the three ships are hard to come by. I'm interested in [i]Lorraine[/i] in particular after she was re-built and supporting the Allies in France in 1944. Does anyone know of any good sources (internet, print, etc...) for photos/plans of [i]Lorraine [/i]from that time period? I found plans for her and [i]Bretagne[/i] over on [url]http://www.servicehistorique.sga.defense.gouv.fr/02fonds-collections/banquedocuments/planbato/planbato/listebato/listebato.php[/url] but they are from 1913.
Also, I found a 1/700 resin kit of [i]Lorraine[/i] in her 1944 fit ( :woo_hoo: ) from H-P Models. I've tried finding a review or build of the kit but have come up short. Can anyone comment on any aspect of the kit?
Ultimately I want to build the Lorraine as she was off beaches during Operation Dragoon as well as do a few drawings/paintings of her throughout her years of service. My mothers side of the family is part French, my mother happens to be named Lorraine, and upon hearing that there was a French battleship with the same name she's wanted a painting ever since :cool_2:
Any and all help is appreciated guys.
Thanks in advance,
-Mike
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