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Topic review - Calling all SMS Kaiser class fans
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Maarten
For some reason I cant send you a email. Try sending me one so I can reply to it .
Post Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 5:57 am
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Richard OMalley wrote:
Maarten
Is the " at " in your email address the word at or @
Richard

@, but you should also delete the hyphens! :smallsmile:
Post Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:40 am
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Maarten
Is the " at " in your email address the word at or @
Richard
Post Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 8:04 pm
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Richard OMalley wrote:
Hi Maarten
With the information you have posted there will be no problem making a accurate Kaiser Class hull . My interest in WWI German Battleships and Battle Cruisers has grown thanks to your help . You and your work are a inspiration!
My e-mail address is ( richardjomalley@yahoo.com )
Lets stay in touch.
Richard


With pleasure, Richard! My email is (maarten.schonfeld-at-skynet.be)
I was only concerned that you might not be aware that a Kaiser class kit already existed. Maybe it's not available at all in the US so there might still be a market for you. It would be pityful if you only found out after you made the plug!
Post Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 7:25 am
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Hi Maarten
With the information you have posted there will be no problem making a accurate Kaiser Class hull . My interest in WWI German Battleships and Battle Cruisers has grown thanks to your help . You and your work are a inspiration!
My e-mail address is ( richardjomalley@yahoo.com )
Lets stay in touch.
Richard
Post Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 6:16 am
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Richard OMalley wrote:
Hi Maarten
I make fiberglass hulls for RC models here in the US .I am thinking of making SMS Friedrich der Grosse in 1/100.

Richard

Hi Richard,

I just came across this: a good kit of the Kaiser class in 1:100 scale seems to exist already: http://www.ml-modelships.com.ua/mlmodellship.php?ln=ru&page=Friedrich_der_Grosse

Yes, this is from Russia, maybe you can't even open the website in stateside US! Let me know what you think.
Post Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:54 am
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Richard OMalley wrote:
Hi Maarten
Wish there were section drawings for station positions 44 and 46 on the " Dreadnought Project " plans of Fridrich der Grosse . I will need your advice on that area when I start. :wave_1:

Hi Richard,

You are picking my brain, man! :smallsmile:

I wish too that those rearward section drawings had survived the time, or a good official line drawing of the hull for that matter! But alas, to my knowledge it has disappeared over time. ' Verschwunden!'

I am as much in the dark as you. However, I was reasoning that the line of dreadnought designs of the German Imperial Navy had a logical evolution, each class being very much based on the previous one with distinct alterations. So I reckoned that using the ICM 1:350 König class hull could be used with slight changes for the other classes. This worked pretty well for the Baden: http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=27003&p=715524&hilit=sms+baden#p715524, hence I decided to take it a step further to the Kaiser class.

So I can't help you any further than this, if you really need to have the sections aft of 'Spant 48' you will either have to loft these yourself, based on the rest of the plans, or adapt from one of the other classes: here are the lines of the Bayern class.
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For comparison, just to show how similar these hulls were, here the sections of the Nassau class ('Haccay' is 'Nassau' in Cyrillic/Russian letters).
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Btw, adaptation using a ICM hull worked also in this case, the biggest differences were higher up in the hull. http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=149535
Post Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:05 am
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Hi Maarten
Wish there were section drawings for station positions 44 and 46 on the " Dreadnought Project " plans of Fridrich der Grosse . I will need your advice on that area when I start. :wave_1:
Post Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 8:30 pm
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Hi Maarten
I just now looked at your post again on the Kaiser Class . After looking at the plans on the Dreadnought Project, I noticed the body lines or sections at the stern start at frame no. 48 . I was concerned about the frames before that ,and there it is photos you posted of her upside down showing the area that is not on the plans. You must have been reading my mind. Do you have any of the body lines before no.48? If not do you think your photos are enough to make a good hull . That is a stupid question as you would not be doing it if you feel there wasn't enough info of the stern .
Thank you for your offer to help as I will need it . I am giving you credit for your help on my post here in US and will also post on this web site . It shows you do alot of research on your builds .
Richard
Post Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 11:53 am
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Thanks for the clarification, Maarten
Post Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 7:07 pm
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And here the side view of the stern of SMS FdG, from the plan in 'The Dreadnought Project'. Clearly not the spade rudders of the König or Bayern classes. Unfortunately the stern section views are missing, but I'm pretty sure these rudders were vertical, and not canted outwards.
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And a picture of the rudders and screws of 'König Albert'.
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Post Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 10:12 am
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Hi Chuck,

The photo you showed is from the Bayern, under tow in April 1935 by the Dutch tugs 'Zwarte Zee', 'Witte Zee' and 'Ganges', just before passing the Firth of Forth railway bridge on their way to the shipbreakers yard in Rosyth.

The Bayern had spade type rudders, slightly angled outwards, as is in the ICM kit. These rudders were pioneered on the König class.

The Kaiser class though had twin conventional rudders, sitting vertically and being lead by a small skeg.
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scan from the book 'Jutland to Junkyard'. Bot look closely, the top right picture is -surprise!- not the König Albert (Kaiser class), but again the 'Bayern'!

Small mistake, upside down these ships are hard to recognize, but the rudders are indeed the giveaway. If you need the drawing details I will make scans of these too.
Post Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:51 am
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Hi, Marteen:

I am curious about rudder arrangement on the Kaiser class battleship. Many drawings depict the ship with twin semi-spade rudders with rudder horns, similar to what you have . But image of the Kaiser's upside down salvaged hull in Scapa Flow seem to show two pure spade rudders with no rudder horn, with the rudders angled outwards. This latter arrangement is similar to later German twin rudder capital ships such as Bismarck and Scharnhorst.

I was wondering if you have any other reference photos for the rudder arrangements on these ships.

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Post Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 4:05 pm
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As promised, here some update photos. Enjoy!
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Post Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 12:06 pm
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Richard OMalley wrote:
Hi Maarten
I make fiberglass hulls for RC models here in the US .I am thinking of making SMS Friedrich der Grosse in 1/100 scale and wondering how you are making out with this build in 1/350 .
You have already helped me by stating the frame spacing is 1200mm . Your build could help anyone making the model .
Started the HMS London / Norfolk plug in 1/96 and used the body lines you posted on the Cruiser section . I gave you credit for them on the web site here in the US .
Richard

Hi Richard,

Thank you very much, I am glad my tinkerings are of good use and inspiration to others! As a matter of fact I should make some photo's of my FdG as it has progressed since my last update, masts and superstructures now basically complete.

If you think you need any help getting forward with your plug for a fiberglass version, please let me know, you can get all the references I have used.
Post Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 3:55 pm
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Hi Maarten
I make fiberglass hulls for RC models here in the US .I am thinking of making SMS Friedrich der Grosse in 1/100 scale and wondering how you are making out with this build in 1/350 .
You have already helped me by stating the frame spacing is 1200mm . Your build could help anyone making the model .
Started the HMS London / Norfolk plug in 1/96 and used the body lines you posted on the Cruiser section . I gave you credit for them on the web site here in the US .
Richard
Post Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 6:18 am
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Great build there Maarten. :thumbs_up_1:

Watching with Interest :wave_1:
Post Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 1:51 pm
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Nice one :thumbs_up_1: Maarten .
Post Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:50 am
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Hi Kaiser fans,

Time to give you an update on my 1:350 Friedrich der Große project.

I added the walkway (cat-walk?) between the superstructures, the anchor cable runs, both from Evergreen strip of 0.25mm thickness and various width. Further I cut out the openings for the many hatches/staircases, and marked all the places for bits and skylights.

Then I was ready to paint the deck, using my preferred method of a base colour of (in this case) Humbrol 103, followed by a wash of artists dark brow oil paint, which was wiped off immediately again, leaving thes seams between the planks dark and tinting the planks themselves nicely. (note: I need to touch-up the planks near the bow).

I also added the basic structures of both superstructures, which need to be detailed further: first step will be adding all the louvres for the boiler room ventilation.

Until the next stage :wave_1:


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:20 am
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Hello Maarten!

I have been trying to contact you via e-mail for pictures and a plan for your project.
Post Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:45 pm

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