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Topic review - Calling all HMS Dreadnought fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all HMS Dreadnought fans  Reply with quote
Okay, but which ones are the 12-pdrs and which are the 6-pdrs? Assuming equal distribution, would the 6-pdrs be the centre two, or the outer two? Would also appreciate any source you may have on the matter.
Post Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:04 pm
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there should be 4 guns in that area, 2 on the port side & 2 on the starboard side instead of the current 2 on port side & 1 on starboard side. mirror current port side onto starboard side to get correct locations.
Post Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:22 pm
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I'm building the Trumpeter 1/700 Dreadnought 1915 and have run into a mild issue: the kit configuration calls for 27 of the 12-pounder guns, but the Master Model brass barrel set only comes with 26. Is there any historical excuse to omit one of the 12-pdrs from the kit while retaining the (presumably accurate) historical appearance of the rest of the kit?


For reference, here are the instructions for the kit showing where they have the 12-pdrs placed: https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10316148/70/1

4 on the forecastle
8 on the turrets (A turret not fitted with them)
10 in the main secondary gun deck
2 on the conning tower deck
3 at the stern

Edit: as it turns out, John Roberts in AOTS Dreadnought apparently indicates the two A turret 12-pdrs were moved to the stern quarterdeck, where they were joined by two 6-pdr HA guns. The kit includes one different gun for the quarter deck, presumably one of the 6-pdrs. It seems an alternative for me would be to modify one of the kit's 12-pdrs to resemble the 6-pdr - now if only I knew where exactly it was placed...
Post Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:42 pm
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Hope someone can help here.

Having viewed a large number of pictures of this iconic warship, I am struggling to find a photo which gives me an idea as to the colour of the blast-bags (bloomers).

I have seen plenty of pics of contemporary ships showing shades at both ends of the spectrum.

Anyone any ideas, white, natural weathered canvas, light grey, medium or dark grey, black? I'm leaning towards natural canvas.

Also seeking details of the declination scales painted on 'A' and 'X' turrets in 1917. I have a very indistinct photograph. I 'think' that the numbers went from '1' at the front to '16' at the rear
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And a photo of HMAS Australia
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Would they have been similar?

Thanks for your time.

Cheers, Jabb.
Post Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:25 am
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Having just broken open my Trumpeter Dreadnought 1918, I see that they've included a fair amount of PE - but there aren't enough railings for the whole ship. In particular, it appears that all of the railings were included EXCEPT for the ones around the main decks.

Which additional railing PE set would be best to address this shortcoming?
Post Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 6:26 pm
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Question for the experts.

I have now got the AOTS book, fantastic reference, and the Kagero book is on the way, managed to find a reasonably priced one eventually.

So, HMS Dreadnought in 1918 configuration, the anti-torpedo nets and paraphernalia had, by this time, been removed, as witnessed by many photographs, but the one detail that I cannot determine from either photo's or plans is, was the torpedo net shelf and the hull attachment points for the booms removed as well?

The problem is that the overhang of the shelf is quite small and does not show very well on any plans that I have seen (usually from 1907 anyway) and of course the majority of photographs tend to be from a similar eye-level to the shelf and, are from such a distance, that they do not show the area in sufficient detail. Likewise, the boom attachment points, the Pontos kit includes a highly detailed surround to these and if they were still extant as moulded on the Trumpeter hull, I would very much like to include them in the build.

Comments welcome

Cheers, Jabb
Post Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 10:17 am
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Thanks Timhan, found a bargain on evilbuy!

Kit is here, looks pretty good. Most other stuff on the way. First Trumpeter I've purchased. Impressed by the 'one bag, one sprue' packaging.


Jabb
Post Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:08 am
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Regarding the question re. best reference -" Anatomy of the Ship" The Battleship Dreadnought By John Roberts
is a must have. Contains much more info than you will need, but a great read and many photos.
Post Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:04 am
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Jabberwock wrote:
Thanks for assistance.

I'm assuming that the majority of the usual components that the PE parts replace are going to be in identical locations, hatch's, ladders, companionways, etc., shouldn't really move that far from their original positions! (Subject to usual research and investigation)

Artwox have released a specific deck set, AW10128, which I have just ordered (from Australia!) together with the barrel kit.

So - question - what would be the best reference books/materials to select, bear in mind this will be OOB + PE.

It's not going to bother me that an some lay expert reckons that the kit/model is completely wrong because the gigglegap is a scale 3 litres too short, or the angle of the foo-foo valve lies 11 light seconds too far to starboard. I'm pretty certain that sadly, very few people are around who have actually seen HMS Dreadnought!

Let me also say that that lay expert is an absolute necessity in this world, and if he wants to cut the front of his kit off because it IS too short, then he has my FULL admiration.
Honestly, without people like that where would all the previous knowledge of everything we have known now be!

Thanks in advance

Jabb



Yeah, I think the majority of the difference is in the superstructure, like the area around the searchlight platforms and admirals cabin/walk. Otherwise the railing, coal scuttles, hatches, capstans, etc..should all be the same since Dreadnought wasn't that dramatically refitted before she was paid off and sold to the breakers in 1921.
Post Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:03 pm
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Thanks for assistance.

I'm assuming that the majority of the usual components that the PE parts replace are going to be in identical locations, hatch's, ladders, companionways, etc., shouldn't really move that far from their original positions! (Subject to usual research and investigation)

Artwox have released a specific deck set, AW10128, which I have just ordered (from Australia!) together with the barrel kit.

So - question - what would be the best reference books/materials to select, bear in mind this will be OOB + PE.

It's not going to bother me that an some lay expert reckons that the kit/model is completely wrong because the gigglegap is a scale 3 litres too short, or the angle of the foo-foo valve lies 11 light seconds too far to starboard. I'm pretty certain that sadly, very few people are around who have actually seen HMS Dreadnought!

Let me also say that that lay expert is an absolute necessity in this world, and if he wants to cut the front of his kit off because it IS too short, then he has my FULL admiration.
Honestly, without people like that where would all the previous knowledge of everything we have known now be!

Thanks in advance

Jabb
Post Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:45 pm
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Eduard has PE sets for the Trumpeter Dreadnought, but for the 1907 version, so some stuff will be different for 1918.

Both WoodHunter and ArtWox have wood decks for the Trumpeter kit. ArtWox for the 1915 version and WoodHunter for 1907.

Master has barrels for both the main battery and the QF guns.
Post Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:05 am
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Jabb
Do not discount the WEM set either. I have both and intend to pick the best bits from the two.
Don't forget, too, that the PE included in the kit are for this particular model. The Artwox deck works really
well, too. Having used the Pontos mast sets on previous projects, they really are works of art and are perfect
if you are going to rig your ship.
Tim.
Post Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:59 am
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Thanks Tim, looks like the Pontos set then - just 'lerrrrrve' the brass mast sets they do!

I suppose looking at it logically, both Trump & Kve will have put most of the details in plastic, its just a case of identifying which PE parts to fit, the positions SHOULD be the same if the kits are reasonably true to prototype!

Have sourced deck set from Artwox as I like their product.

Got a Bismarck to finish first so no desperation to purchase PE set yet, who knows, may be one in the pipe-line???

Jabb
Post Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:07 am
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There have been many posts about the lack of detail sets for the Trumpeter 350 kit.
The only available detail sets are for the Zevezda kit, from Pontos and WEM.
Trying to build the Trump. kit using both and am sure, with a lot of patience and
inginuity, this can be achieved.
Tim
Post Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:38 am
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Just ordered this - TRU05330 - Trumpeter 1:350 - HMS Dreadnought 1918.

Any detail sets available?

Any detail sets planned?

Cheers all

Jabb
Post Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:31 pm
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I'm working on Trumpys 1/350 Dreadnought and the Barbettes seem too short. If I scale it from the 1/100 drawings in Roberts, it comes to 48" or 1/8" in scale. In photos it seems about waist height or around 32 or 34 inches in comparison to crew. So that would come close to 3/32" high. So assuming it was a government job I wouldn't be too far off if I split the difference at 5/64". Am I way off, or in the ballpark?

Kurt
Post Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:01 pm
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Trumpeter's barbettes are too short. I noticed this when I compared it to the Zvezda, and they're quite noticeable, in my opinion, and it was the second thing that jumped out at me. (The first being the superior detail of the Trumpeter. It sent me checking the photos to see what was going on, and while I don't have any measurements for you, you can tell by eye that Zvezda is much more accurate. Kind of a shame, cause everything else looks good. Also, a head-scratcher, as Trumpeters turrets can't rotate, they will get hung up on the various deck fittings - so should have been caught in design, you'd have thought. From sprue shots, it doesn't seem they addressed it in any of the later kits and the same error also seems to carry over to the 700 scale kits. I'd think it'd be quite noticeable if you used a wooden deck, as the profile of the barbette would shrink even more.

That said, it appears Trumpeter got the reinforcing armor plate on the wing turrets right - the barbettes should be flat and parallel will the hull, along the ship's side, while Zvezda just has the barbette as a ring. Again, checking my photos I haven't seen any evidence of the Zvezda complete ring configuration, and it doesn't seem like anyone else has noticed or mentioned this error. If it was an initial configuration, and the extra plating was added later, I can't say, but haven't seen any pictures matching the Zvezda barbette. That said, all in all, the Trumpeter is the superior kit in detail and sharpness. Also enjoy the plastic much better, and of course, they have 3 different eras kitted.

Manfred
Post Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:25 pm
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Felix C wrote:
If going 1/350 which one is preferred Trumpeter or Zvezda?


I have the Zvezda kit. Looks nice in the box. Haven't really done a deep dive into accuracy. I have read in other places that the barbettes on the Trumpeter kit are the wrong height, but I can't remember if that was too tall or too short.

Here are some builds of the Zvezda kit:

By Robert Apfelzweig: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... ht-350-ra/

By Vladimir Makarychev: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... ht-350-vm/

By Frank Aplin: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... ght350-fa/

By Alain Personnic: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... ht-350-ap/

By Symeon C. Konstantinopoulos : http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... ht-350-sk/

By Phil Reeder: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... ht-350-pr/

And here's a build up of the Trumpeter kit by Eleven Wong: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... ht-350-ew/

If you scroll through the WIP and Completed Model forums, there were a few other fellows building the Zvezda kit at one time.

HTH...
Post Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:35 pm
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Hi all,

Question about colour of the turret platform floors of the early fitting after commissioned (around 1907 / 1908)...

I know and see that most, but not all paint them in a darker grey, as well instruction tells this. But because I don't trust instruction since the crap Zvezda did with Varyag painting instruction so far and because some paint here this reddish brown linoleum colour completely or in the corner wings only, I become unsure what is now correct.
One reason I was told in the past why not reddish brown linoleum is nonsense ... high visibility against aircraft! Well, what serious aircraft threat in 1907? ;-)

So, was it really (and completely) dark grey / do good sources and books tell this ... or could it be that reddish brown linoleum was laid completely instead or in the corners wings?
Post Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:16 am
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If going 1/350 which one is preferred Trumpeter or Zvezda?
Post Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:16 pm

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