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Topic review - Calling all British predreadnought fans
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It's a night lifebouy and the "balloons" are floats. Those were made of copper according to the Manual of Seamanship and usually kept highly polished.

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:03 pm
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On the rear hull of the Amagemenon by the admirals walk there is a cage, inside there's what looks like four balloons tied together. Can anyone tell me what it is??
Post Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:15 pm
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I an building Amagemnon, is there much difference between the Lord Nelson kit, cannot find much info about the differences between the two sisters.

Thanks bob
Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:59 pm
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Thanks I will try to ask. in the mean time, what was the armament loadouts of both ships?
Most sources states the usual:
2x2 12"/45 BL Mark X
4x2,2x1 9,2"/50 BL Mark XI
24x1 3"/50 QF Mark I (12pdr)
2x1 47mm/40 QF Mark I (3pdr)

But the drawings shared by me and some other sites including the wiki states the light ATB gun armament being 18-20 in number.
Post Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 1:19 am
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TZoli,

If anyone holds what you seek it will be the Historic Photographs and Ships Plans Section of the National Maritime Museum at Greenwich. I suggest that you enquire of them.
Post Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:01 am
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Well I'm more interested in official plans rather then models. Because they are sometimes inaccurate. For example I've seen models of the Lord Nelsons where the 3" QF guns were located on the turret roofs (8 pieces) while others show them on the superstructure and even seen one showing both in which case it exceeds the ship official suite of 24x 3"/50 QF guns number.
Post Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:00 am
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Go to the Combrig website, look up products/1/350/Royal Navy/Lord Nelson, and look at the directions for the kit.
Post Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:12 pm
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Does anybody have plans of the Lord Nelsons decks? especially the main and 1st deck? I like to wish to know how the superstructure elements located and in what shape between the 9,2" turrets, eg the fore and aft superstructure the 2 funnel uptakes and the supporting structure between the 2nd funnel uptake and aft superstructure.
Post Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:02 am
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may help? i have a russian magazine on the class with foto, profiles and some drawing.. if yu are interested send me email by pm
ciao peppe


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Post Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:39 pm
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Matthew in TO: Thanks for posting the link. I copied some of the diagrams for future reference.
Post Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:34 pm
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I just received my copy of British Battleships, 1889-1904, Author: R. A. Burt. It has the pics you need.

Also a great sources for ship plans is the below. I found some predreadnought plans by searching 1904, but no Lord Nelson. I reco you dig through this site though, as plans are not always in the years you expect to see them.

https://culturepics.org/on-this-day/ind ... llections#
Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:18 pm
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Does anyone know where I might find cross-sections of either of these two (HMS Lord Nelson or Agamemnon (1908)) pre-dreadnoughts, for determining the shape of the hull framing? A profile that identifies the cross-section positions would also be useful!

Thanks in advance!
Post Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:08 pm
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Timmy C wrote:
I wouldn't say the Duncans were even close - she only had four of the 12" guns, while the next largest were 6" which wouldn't be at all useful in the same way Dreadnought's ten/eight 12" were.
Germany’s first predreadnought, the Brandenburg class has six 11” guns. I’m surprised this wasn’t repeated.
Post Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:19 am
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DariusP wrote:
Haijun watcher wrote:
But, after saying all that, it is a sad fact that there is not much info about those ships. American, French or even Russian vessels are covered in much greater detail than the British ones!
I’m finding this out myself now. Britain arguably made the best predreadnought battleships, and built the largest empire in history policed by these black, buff, white and blue ships. So, I’m surprised to discover that there are essentially zero plastic kits of British predreadnoughts, beyond the Lord Nelson class - nice ships but never wore the Victorian blue and buff colour scheme, and entered service after HMS Dreadnought. What I really want is a plastic kit of HMS Canopus, AIUI the last class to wear the Victorian colours.
Post Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:13 am
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I’ve been looking for British predreadnoughts larger than 1/700, so thanks for twigging me onto http://combrig-models.com/index.php/135 ... on350-1908
Post Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:27 pm
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tjstoneman wrote:
Part E17 is a "copper punt". To quote the "Royal Navy Diction & Slang - HMS Richmond" website:

COPPER PUNT
The name given to the raft used by the Side party for work about the ship's water line. The name originates from the days when ships were sheathed with copper, the raft being used by shipwrights for making repairs to the sheathing. The raft is often also called the Balsa Raft since this latter life-saving raft was replaced by Carley Floats.


Perfect, thanks mate. Quite thorough of Hobby Boss to include this small detail.
Post Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:36 am
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Part E17 is a "copper punt". To quote the "Royal Navy Diction & Slang - HMS Richmond" website:

COPPER PUNT
The name given to the raft used by the Side party for work about the ship's water line. The name originates from the days when ships were sheathed with copper, the raft being used by shipwrights for making repairs to the sheathing. The raft is often also called the Balsa Raft since this latter life-saving raft was replaced by Carley Floats.
Post Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:05 am
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HMS Agamemnon (1906) by Hobby Boss


There is a piece pictured (E17) that goes on the lifeboat deck. At first I thought it was a platform for one of the boats to stand on, but no other piece goes on E17.

To me it looks like a wooden raft or pontoon though to what end on a battleship, I don't know. For painting purposes I need to know what it is. Any ideas?


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Post Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:03 am
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Guys, is there a full hull 1/700 pre-dreadnought royal navy battleship?
Post Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:04 am
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Would Vallejo 991 be an acceptable shade of medium grey for Montagu in her earlyier days?

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Littorio is painted in 991 and I've read a couple sources that say 991 is acceptable. If anyone has a better suggestion, I'm all ears.
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