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Topic review - Calling all MN Richelieu & Jean Bart fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all MN Richelieu & Jean Bart fans  Reply with quote
"Radeaux de Brest" perhaps?

L'Arsenal do them in 1/350 Scale in resin and PE:
http://www.larsenal.com/radeaux-type-brest-1-350-x24-c2x30258529

And in 1/400 scale as 3D prints:
http://www.larsenal.com/radeaux-type-brest-1-400-en-impression-3d-c2x36710009
Post Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2022 4:49 am
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I am interested in the period 1944-45. It reminds me more of Navy Balsa Life Float / Raft
But from what I can see it's probably some French invention. For the fact that I have seen such in Strasbourg
Post Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:50 pm
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Hello. I'm building Richelieu and I'm looking for news and pictures or drawings of life rafts. Illustrative photo at the link.
https://external-preview.redd.it/5CL9fZ ... 0e7c2f804a
It is blurry and you cannot see much of it, and I would like something more precise.
Please help.
Post Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:16 am
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As has been mentioned here before I'm sure, Richelieu and Jean Bart went on exercise together only once in their careers, in January 1956. There are photos of this rare event in some of the books on the class.

However it seems the event was also filmed. Look what I found on the French Ministry of Defence Images website:

https://imagesdefense.gouv.fr/fr/toulon-les-cuirasses-richelieu-et-jean-bart-appareillent.html#

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No commentary or anything, but the 17 minute long clip contains some lovely aerial and onboard footage of both Richelieu and Jean Bart.
Post Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:11 am
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A clip from 1943 showing Richelieu ready for battle as she emerged from her U.S. refit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxybmZXMcP4
Post Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:50 am
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The French Musée National de la Marine or National Maritime Museum have some photos online of their collection. Including their models of Richelieu and Jean Bart. Might be useful references for someone?

Richelieu here:

https://mnm.webmuseo.com/ws/musee-national-marine/app/collection/record/31420?vc=ePkH4LF7w6yelGA1iKGxhRIpKUSf6CSXEgC0ALUyNbIwQqt1DS3N4XU4XD3BqAMAAZ9Gmw$$

Jean Bart here:

https://mnm.webmuseo.com/ws/musee-national-marine/app/collection/record/31436?vc=ePkH4LF7w6yelGA1iKGJoRIpKUSf6CSXEgC0ALUyNbIwQqt1DS3N4XU4XD3BqAMA_V9GlQ$$

I was lucky enough to see them 'in the flesh' in Paris a few years ago. Lovely models.
Post Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:33 am
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As regards the question on which version is correct for Jean Bart. Well it depends on the era. When substantially completed in 1950 (but with interim AA Armament of 40mm Bofors and 20mm Oerlikons) she had gun tubs for four 20mm Oerlikons atop her No. 2 Turret. Two pairs of two. These would have to be added in if you are depicting her in 1950. Not the best photo but you can see the tubs here:

https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=1491

As finally commissioned in 1955 the 20mm Oerlikon Tubs were removed from the turret as by this stage she had her full design AA Armament of 100mm AA Guns and 57mm Bofors Guns as seen here:

https://www.deviantart.com/stephenbarlow/art/French-Battleship-Jean-Bart-c-1955-559813254

The main gun turrets remained like this until she was scrapped in 1970.
Post Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:20 pm
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Timmy C wrote:
Were they much different from as-built? If not, MicroMaster has some wonderful prints: https://micromaster.co.nz/products/1-40 ... blast-bags



From my less than extensive research, I'm not certain. I can see that two different versions of the same turret (both with blast bags) are listed on that website. Both in 1/400 scale, both with the same descriptions. I believe much of her secondary armament is completely different from Richelieu
Post Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:43 pm
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Were they much different from as-built? If not, MicroMaster has some wonderful prints: https://micromaster.co.nz/products/1-40 ... blast-bags
Post Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:22 pm
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Regarding the 1/400 scale Jean Bart kit (which I've just purchased because I fancy the ship), are there available turrets in resin or 3d print that are accurate for Jean Bart during the 50's and 60's?
Post Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:17 pm
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A very handsome warship with interesting design features, shared with the Dunkirk's.
Post Posted: Fri May 07, 2021 11:50 pm
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Richelieu 3D Model: :thumbs_up_1:

Quote:
The Richelieu was a French Richelieu-class battleship during World War 2. She was turned over the Free French Naval Forces after the Allied invasion of North Africa. After being sent to the United States for repairs and a refit, she served with the British Home Fleet. This model represents her layout after her refit in the USA.

©Thomas Beerens



https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/richeli ... del-shared
Post Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:23 am
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olive40 wrote:
Without playing the "Calimero" :big_grin: , I think the Frenchies topics just don't interest Trumpeter.

If the Richelieu had sunk the Bismarck, we would probably not have this discussion today.

And that if the French fleet (supposedly so bad) had not landed in Toulon, some things would certainly have been different!
Without wanting to launch any debate.
:thumbs_up_1:



Caugh, Gaugh, Danton, Caugh.

Trumpeter, hobby boss, literally the same thing.
Post Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:55 pm
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Without playing the "Calimero" :big_grin: , I think the Frenchies topics just don't interest Trumpeter.

If the Richelieu had sunk the Bismarck, we would probably not have this discussion today.

And that if the French fleet (supposedly so bad) had not landed in Toulon, some things would certainly have been different!
Without wanting to launch any debate.
:thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:34 pm
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If kit accuracy was a major determinant of sales, we wouldn't still be seeing Revell's 1/537 Missouri, Banner/MHM/Hobby Boss 1/350 Arizona, Revell 1/1200 Scharnhorst/Bismarck/anything being sold and built...;)

An argument could be made that Richelieu is a more obscure subject so those who buy it are probably more discerning, but that would require them to actually look up reviews and then care about the errors enough for them to not buy it versus having a kit (the only kit available!) with some acceptable errors.
Post Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:03 pm
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Matt Flegal wrote:
olive40 wrote:
Hello,
I ask a question that must have been asked before but when I see the news announced for 2021 at 1/200 ...
Can we believe in a production of battleships of the Dunkerque class and Richelieu class at 1/200 in the years to come by manufacturers such as Trumpeter or Hobby Boss?
Or is it a dream?


My understanding is that the 1/350 Richelieu did not sell very well so I would doubt that they would take the chance on a 1/200. Unfortunately as I would be interested in one!


Perhaps it didn't sell well because the manufacturer didn't do their research properly?

Terry (Caravellarella)
Post Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:44 pm
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olive40 wrote:
Hello,
I ask a question that must have been asked before but when I see the news announced for 2021 at 1/200 ...
Can we believe in a production of battleships of the Dunkerque class and Richelieu class at 1/200 in the years to come by manufacturers such as Trumpeter or Hobby Boss?
Or is it a dream?


My understanding is that the 1/350 Richelieu did not sell very well so I would doubt that they would take the chance on a 1/200. Unfortunately as I would be interested in one!
Post Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:25 pm
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Hello,
I ask a question that must have been asked before but when I see the news announced for 2021 at 1/200 ...
Can we believe in a production of battleships of the Dunkerque class and Richelieu class at 1/200 in the years to come by manufacturers such as Trumpeter or Hobby Boss?
Or is it a dream?
Post Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:52 pm
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Yes David, she went into Reserve on August 1st 1957.
Post Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:07 am
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Some colour footage here from Toulon in 1962 including views of Jean Bart. She is seen being moved about by tugs, presumably shifting berths or something like that? She would have been withdrawn from the active fleet and in reserve by 1962:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO5GimjR5N0
Post Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:17 am

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