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Topic review - Calling all IJN Ise & Hyuga fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all IJN Ise & Hyuga fans  Reply with quote
Hard to assume, but Yokosuka D4Y Suisei dive bombers was quite successful as dive bombers. Successful = they worked as long fuel and pilots where there, perfect/as they intend too.
Also something that we know for a fact, is that the IJN Ise class AA suit of post 1943 was highly successful and a prototype for battleships AA defense according to "interviews"/inquiries of Imperial Navy staff with IJN Ise and IJN Hyuga captains after the Battle of the Philippine Sea, well all this according to this book by Stanley Sandler :
Battleships: An Illustrated History of their Impact. Weapons and Warfare(2004).
Post Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:50 am
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Nice, thanks! Need some guesstimate for the Hyuga then.

What if scenario, if Japan has no shortage of experienced pilots, planes, and oil; but still in short of carrier due to Midway; does Ise/Hyuga conversion could be successful? Or useful at least?

Also interesting choice for using dazzle lines for the turret on Haruna. Maybe to make the turret looks like patrol boats? Or it is common in japan to use dazzle lines for coastal gun?
Post Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:09 pm
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Nopefield wrote:
Interesting, any reference on how the camo pattern painted on their hull?

Here is a GREEN IJN Ise in 1/200 fom the gallery:
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/bb/ijn/ISE-200-gs/index.htm
Im guessing IJN Hyuga was almost the same just the patches in a slightly different place and shape (?) but not much. The most bizarre camo was IJN Haruna's and is also hard to do correctly in 1/700 too(good luck painting camo on 12,7 cm AA barrels...) !
https://ibb.co/du16uK
Post Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:32 am
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Interesting, any reference on how the camo pattern painted on their hull?
Post Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:34 pm
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Yes, IJN Hyuga had same camouflage pattern, IJN Haruna too but with stripes instead of patches like the IJN Ise class. IJN Nagato had a camouflage patern too, but quite different.
Post Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:06 am
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I stumbled an image shared in facebook of IJN Ise wreck in green camouflage

Image

Also after quick search i found this



Interested to convert my ongoing Hyuga build into this camouflage. Is there any other reference on this camo pattern? Does Hyuga got similar camo treatment?
Post Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:34 am
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Me ! My only problem was the turrets, they are over scaled. I replaced mine with a old Haseqawa one, but a slight modification will be needed cause they for a '40's fit.
Post Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:37 pm
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Has anyone completed or done any work on the Samek 1/700 Ise 1917 kit or seen any reviews of this kit?


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:41 am
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This bulge appears to be pretty flat on top, while many other navies had curved bulges. The flat top shape greatly reduces manufacturing cost. That is the most likely reason for the shape.
Post Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:32 am
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The added torpedo bulge is all metal plating.


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Post Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:33 pm
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Captain Morgan wrote:
Nopefield wrote:
I noticed that Hyuga doesn't have sloped side deck like Ise (see images). I wonder what floor material used for that extended side? Is it a wood or metal? Does it changes in her hybrid form?


This is as we say comparing apples to oranges. You have Hyuga before rebuild compared to Ise after rebuild.

You have highlighted the hull bulge added during the rebuild from 1934-1936.


Ah, sorry. I don't know that hull bulge is added later after construction. The reason i'm comparing that is because i see some modeler extends the bulge into simple straight deck, and i tried to find pictures and forget that there is refit on 1934. Can't find good picture on Hyuga in her BB/CV form but here a good picture showing the extended bulge on Ise

http://tsushima.su/uploads/photoarhiv/s ... oto/06.jpg

I also found this has been confirmed by Atma in here. I assume Hyuga got similar treatment.

So, the question remains, is the floor extended using wood or metal?
Post Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:00 pm
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Nopefield wrote:
I noticed that Hyuga doesn't have sloped side deck like Ise (see images). I wonder what floor material used for that extended side? Is it a wood or metal? Does it changes in her hybrid form?


This is as we say comparing apples to oranges. You have Hyuga before rebuild compared to Ise after rebuild.

You have highlighted the hull bulge added during the rebuild from 1934-1936.
Post Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:38 am
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I noticed that Hyuga doesn't have sloped side deck like Ise (see images). I wonder what floor material used for that extended side? Is it a wood or metal? Does it changes in her hybrid form?


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Post Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:11 am
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I agree that the Tam Tam model is a fantastic reference.
Post Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:50 am
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Thanks Dan, unfortunately i can't find any model magazine/books in my country and it's really hard to import something. If only it has digital version :(

For now i try to imitate TamTam's IJN Ise 1/100 (http://blog.livedoor.jp/nichirou/archives/54044794.html) while compiling all info from this amazing thread, especially the difference between Ise and Hyuga.
Post Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:54 am
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I can't help you out on this; perhaps someone else can chime in.

Model Art Ship Modeling Special # 53 (Autumn 2014) has a few pages of a comparative build between a Hasegawa and a Fujimi kit. With improvements and correction, though the pics are small.
Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:00 am
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Hi, i'm planning to build Hasegawa 1/700 Hyuga in his BBCV conviguration. I've read there are many inaccuracy within the kit, but is there any major/obvious error in the kit? Sadly i've already bought the kit long time ago (it's rather impulsive buying, no time for research while on vacation in japan lol)
Post Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:45 pm
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Yes, though portions of the upper row of portholes, particularly around the secondary casemates may have been left unsealed. They were there on trials in August, 1943, once they were converted to BBCVs.

You have two choices. You could use styrene strip, with a punch to create round discs, or you could go the PE route. Two examples of PE versions:

Fivestar: http://www.fstarmodel.com/en/pd.jsp?id= ... _304_65_-1

Rainbow: http://www.rainbowmodel.com/proshow.asp?proid=42
Post Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 9:52 am
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Would the hull scuttles on Fujimi's Ise (1/350) need to be blanked off if i'm building her 'as lost'?

If so, What's the best way to do it?
Post Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 3:27 pm
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I note 1/350 Hyuga is now released as battleship-carrier, with general improvements. Atma, are there any rumours of a 1/350 all-gun version from your little birds?

Thanks for mentioning the 1/700 Hyuga 1941 Dan... might have to get it as a 'study model'. Rear superstructure looks well done in the kit.
Post Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:54 pm

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