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Topic review - Calling all USS Pennsylvania BB-38 Fans
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Your best bet is going to be the microfilm plans at NARA in College Park, Maryland. There is a collection of about 30 rolls for the BB-38 class spanning pretty much their entire life. I took a look but it was way more work and cost than I could handle.
Post Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:08 pm
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Does anyone know where I can find a paravane rigging diagram for the Pennsylvania after the 1942 refit? If she was equipped like the Arizona then she would have had a set paravane tackles under her original forefoot already in her pre-war fit. But during the war a large new forward extension to the forefoot was added. This gave her underwater stem an unusually pronounced ram like profile, much more pronounced than any other American dreadnought battleship and matching some 19th century pre-dreadnoughts. The only reason for it seems to be to add another set of paravane tackles. Why?

Also, The available photos leaves me confused how the paravan chain works after the 1942 refit. It seems there are 2 runs of chains on each side. But each chain run simply loops around a pulley on deck. There seems to be no capstan or winch controlling their movement. How do they work?


Also, when the Pennsylvania was refiited in 1942, all her hull side scuttles were all plated over, and in exchange, it appears she acquired a number of new bucket vents on deck similar to those on new fast battleships to make up for the loss of ventilation. Does anyone have any photos of these vents?
Post Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:12 pm
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Hi Tracy,

The reason for the question was the Arizona in the underwater hull survey those cables are in plain site on the bow area. As for accuracy I think the mention of this would apply to those who strive for accurate representation of this ship as it would have looked on 7 Dec. Moreover the Oklahoma had her cables on the outer hull as seen in Navsource.


Regards
Post Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:27 pm
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Original design had them in the water channels but they were moved into the interiors of the ships later on during refits. Arizona didn't survive long enough for this to happen to her, but Pennsylvania did. Not 100% sure of when though as I haven't gone through her departure reports.
Post Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:21 pm
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I have a question for you folks, it is in regards to the Degaussing cables that are present on the Arizona hull near the gunnel. Now I have noticed in some of the photo's Pennsylvania had the same cables run in gunnels instead of outside the hull. Can anyone verify this?

Thanks
regards
Post Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 5:29 pm
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do not get the "G" series version of the 1945 Pennsylvania which I did as the top views does not match the side profile. I'm using the warship series #2 Keystone Battlewagon USS Pennsylvania to get the locations of the 14" barbetts that are different in the FD plans plus the hull casements.
try this, Booklet of General Plans for Pennsylvania as of March 1945 http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/BB38/BOGP/
Post Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:19 am
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bioshock73 wrote:
I have Floating Drydock's 1945 Pennsylvania drawings. Last year I ordered them in 1/96 scale. Well worth the money, 3 scrolls. And they are huge. About 8 ft. long and 30-31 in. wide.


Thanks for that info. I'm starting adapting my 1/1200 Arizona hull into a 1945 Pennsylvania hull and will have to get a set of those plans before I really spend any meaningful time on it.
Post Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:50 am
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Here's the overhead view, which also shows her rigged for Paravanes for those who are interested.
Post Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 7:49 am
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Yes - see this photo - http://navsource.org/archives/01/038/013874a.jpg

Hope this helps,

Hank
Post Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 6:44 am
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After Pearl Harbor, were the second hawse pipe on each side of the Pennsylvania removed? I see only one hawse hole on each side on the booklet of general plans.
Post Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 10:15 pm
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I think one of the best photos, and description, for any 1945 US battleship fit is in the Navsource.org photo archive for the USS Pennsylvania.
The photo is http://navsource.org/archives/01/038/013801c.jpg showing the Pennsylvania in June 1945 at Hunters Point. But what is great is the identification and description of most, if not all, the various antennas , etc. that were upgraded/added to her. She was even given some of the newest gun directors that even the Iowa class didn't get until after the war.

But the description of the various bits and pieces help identify the strange looking things that sprouted all over US battleships in the last year of the war.

Highly recommended
Post Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:45 pm
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got my floating drydock 1/192 scale plans of the Nevada, Pennsylvania & the Maryland, all late war plus the frames drawing of the post modernized Texas as a freebie middle of last week.
Post Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 9:34 am
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bioshock73 wrote:
I have Floating Drydock's 1945 Pennsylvania drawings. Last year I ordered them in 1/96 scale. Well worth the money, 3 scrolls. And they are huge. About 8 ft. long and 30-31 in. wide.

Highly recommended.
Post Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 6:20 am
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I have Floating Drydock's 1945 Pennsylvania drawings. Last year I ordered them in 1/96 scale. Well worth the money, 3 scrolls. And they are huge. About 8 ft. long and 30-31 in. wide.
Post Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 1:12 am
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check this link. http://stores.ebay.ca/PLANS-N-THINGS/_i ... 573.c0.m57
Post Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 10:30 pm
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Is there any detailed plans of the Pennsylvania circa late 1944 comparable to floating drydock plans?
Post Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 7:45 pm
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No they were not present during the attack. I believe the one on the foremast was removed in Jan of 1941 and the after one on the mainmast was removed sometime after August of same year.
Post Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:10 pm
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I tried searching but didn't find anything - would the Arizona have had her range clocks on the masts during the Pearl Harbor attack?

Photos of the wreck indicate no, and the most recent picture on Navsource has them in Jan of 1941.

Thanks!
Post Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:59 pm
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A view of USS PENNSYLVANIA name on her stern during the 1920's, her name remained in that location in the 1930s.

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A view of the stern of USS TENNESSEE in March 1942 showing her name which was outlined by rivets (or welds). Very hard to see in the full frame image.

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USS PENNSYLVANIA letters would be pretty small at any distance and not anywhere as high off the hull as the porthole plates.
Post Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:32 pm
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they didn't do welding at the tine the Pennsylvania was built
Post Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:54 am

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