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Topic review - Calling all IJN Fuso & Yamashiro fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all IJN Fuso & Yamashiro fans  Reply with quote
Hello All,

I'm pretty new to 1/700 ships. What version of Fuso is Aoshimas's No. 51 kit? Is the kit worth buildng or is it a waste of time?

Thanks
Post Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:06 am
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mister me wrote:
Hello !
Do you know if boat booms of Fuso were painted or left natural wood ? Especially in 1944 ?

IJN Mogami had them painted why not IJN Fuso. I painted mine on this assumption.
Post Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:49 am
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mister me wrote:
still another set of questions :

did 1944 fuso had :


- single 25mm platforms at top of turrets : did they had some railings (not included in fujimis deluxe set so do those existed ?) ?


thank you !

Yes, Fujimi offer the railings separately, as a general set.
Post Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:47 am
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November 2017 saw both Fuso and Yamashiro located in Surigao Strait. Both are upside down, but the plus side is that due to the extremely strong currents in the area both will more than likely remain undisturbed by salvage hunters.

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Sonar image of Yamashiro. The tip of the bow is actually folded back over the rest of the wreck.

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Sonar image of Fuso.

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One of Fuso's main rangefinders.

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One of Fuso's propellers.
Post Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:06 am
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MatthewB wrote:
Dan K wrote:



If you are talking about the platforms to the R/L of the barrels, near the front of where the Blast-bags attach....

Those are platforms that were used when mounting (and using) the 3" practice guns on the larger 12" to 14" barrels.




You can see the smaller 3" "Practice Gun" mounted in the bracket above the barrel, which is empty on the PE set.

I think that some PE manufacturers sell either resin or brass practice guns that can be mounted in the brackets, if needed.

MB


nope. It is the small vertical/horizontal platforms at juction of gun and turret
I indeed see them when there is no blast bag, and never visible when blastbags are fitted (as on your picture).
but what is strange is that PE and model engineers often create those pieces WITH blastbags fitted also...
like 1/350 fujimi's FUSO...
A bit confusing sometimes.
Post Posted: Thu May 11, 2017 10:15 am
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Dan K wrote:

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- blastbags : were the small structures/platforms with series of holes just under the main guns visible ? or fully hidden under blastbag (just visible if blastbags removed) ?


Those perforated platforms appear to be the anchoring base for the blast bags. I think this illustration from the AOTS book makes it clear.


If you are talking about the platforms to the R/L of the barrels, near the front of where the Blast-bags attach....

Those are platforms that were used when mounting (and using) the 3" practice guns on the larger 12" to 14" barrels.


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You can see the smaller 3" "Practice Gun" mounted in the bracket above the barrel, which is empty on the PE set.

I think that some PE manufacturers sell either resin or brass practice guns that can be mounted in the brackets, if needed.

MB
Post Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 7:03 pm
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ok thanks I will do my best

and concerning hiragana, I saw somewhere that it is relative to old fashioned/traditional historical way of writing some names of places, which changed a little with modernization of japan. So those words were written in a more vintage/traditional way, even using hiragana, instead of using a more modern fashion of writing/pronunciation.
Post Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:53 am
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did 1944 fuso had :
- wooden emergency rudder ? if yes : stored at stern left or right ?

- single 25mm platforms at top of turrets : did they had some railings (not included in fujimis deluxe set so do those existed ?)


can't really answer these; not enough information

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Why does the stern of the Fusō say "ふさう" (Fusau)? And on the wings of the airplanes "フサ" (Fusa)?


Can't answer that one either

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- blastbags : were the small structures/platforms with series of holes just under the main guns visible ? or fully hidden under blastbag (just visible if blastbags removed) ?


Those perforated platforms appear to be the anchoring base for the blast bags. I think this illustration from the AOTS book makes it clear.


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Post Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 9:27 am
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On the model of the Fusō.....

Why does the stern of the Fusō say "ふさう" (Fusau)? And on the wings of the airplanes "フサ" (Fusa)?

Is there something about the Fusō that I don't know (not that it would surprise me, since I don't know that much about it), given the strange spelling?

MB
Post Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 11:54 am
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still another set of questions :

did 1944 fuso had :

- wooden emergency rudder ? if yes : stored at stern left or right ?

- single 25mm platforms at top of turrets : did they had some railings (not included in fujimis deluxe set so do those existed ?) ?

- blastbags : were the small structures/platforms with series of holes just under the main guns visible ? or fully hidden under blastbag (just visible if blastbags removed) ? not sure how to explain those pieces...

thank you !
Post Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 10:01 am
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nice finds !
Post Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:49 pm
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Regarding any linoleum on the bridge tower - the AOTS book is inconclusive, and the photos of a large scale Fuso and Yamashiro in a Gakken volume are too obscure to tell.

However, there is a Japanese model maker and hobby shop owner named Tam Tam who has created six museum quality 1/100 scale IJN warships, including Fuso. His work is probably as authoritative as it gets. This link will bring you to large file photos of his Akagi and Fuso, as the cropped versions below can't fully display the detail you seek: http://blog.livedoor.jp/nichirou/archives/54044349.html


Jim Lansdale has been researching seaplane codes over on the J-aircraft.com board. See: http://www.j-aircraft.org/smf/index.php?topic=16726.0


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:52 am
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ouch ! a question again, concerning seaplane numerals in late 1944 :

fujimi gives 222-01 and 222-02.
however, I found on a table that it was BVI-x
which one is right ?

(I also will have this kind of problems concerning future projects : for example, Tamiya 1/350 Yamato gives 211-xx, my table gives 212-xx, and various aircraft models or aftermarket decals sets give sometimes 211 sometimes 212...)
Post Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:05 am
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thanx !
Post Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:35 am
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Linoleum on bridge tower - Something else I need to research. It was probably there, but as to which levels is open to question. Certainly the compass bridge deck level, for one. I want to look at the Gakken book, and AOTS again, tonite.
Post Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:36 pm
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I also suspected an error : I saw this nowhere else, nor photos, nor other molds than 1/350 fujimi one...

and concerning linoleum outer decks/bridges on pagoda tower ? something ?
Post Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:16 pm
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It looks like they still had their names, but they were painted over in grey.


That would be correct.


About that Fuso rangefinder - I've come across nothing that looks like that. Frankly, after looking at that model photo, and various sets of instructions online, I'm pretty sure the part was molded incorrectly. Those extensions are hoods to protect the apertures for the rangefinder, and should be on the horizontal axis. That's a production blunder, for sure.
Post Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:10 am
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From what I can tell from the few Maru Specials I have on Cruisers and DDs.... It looks like they still had their names, but they were painted over in grey.

The names were raised Hiragana in metal welded to the hull.

One of the IJN PE sets that I have even includes some Hiragana for the stern letters.

But I'll bet Dan K would know better.

MB
Post Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:29 pm
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I also would like to know if IJN ships carried their names at stern during wartime
Post Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:40 pm
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I need to remember to check the AOTS book.
Post Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:54 am

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