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For some time now I have been planning the construction of a 1:700 scale model of Furious as completed as a seaplane carrier My first thought was to use one of Admiralty Model Works's kits of the half-sisters, preferably starting with Gglorious, since there is no minelaying gear on the quarterdeck. I was thrown off for quite a time by the difference in beam between Furious and Glorious: 88 feet versus 81 feet, which is 1/8-inch when working in 1:700 scale. I then thought of backdating the Loose Cannon 1918 Furious, since this would have the slightly beamier hull.
While working on this, I noticed that, while Furious had a greater beam and larger displacement, it drew a foot less, and began to wonder why. I was able to access the body plans for Glorious and Furious as designed, and started making measurements. As far as I can tell, the beam on the upper deck of both ships is identical. The difference in beam is entirely below the waterline, where Furious has anti-torpedo bulges that are four feet deeper than those of its half-sisters. This also would broadly explain why Furious draws less water. Unless I am wholly mistaken, this seems to clear the way for using the Admiralty Model Works kit as a basis.
For some time now I have been planning the construction of a 1:700 scale model of Furious as completed as a seaplane carrier My first thought was to use one of Admiralty Model Works's kits of the half-sisters, preferably starting with Gglorious, since there is no minelaying gear on the quarterdeck. I was thrown off for quite a time by the difference in beam between Furious and Glorious: 88 feet versus 81 feet, which is 1/8-inch when working in 1:700 scale. I then thought of backdating the Loose Cannon 1918 Furious, since this would have the slightly beamier hull.
While working on this, I noticed that, while Furious had a greater beam and larger displacement, it drew a foot less, and began to wonder why. I was able to access the body plans for Glorious and Furious as designed, and started making measurements. As far as I can tell, the beam on the upper deck of both ships is identical. The difference in beam is entirely below the waterline, where Furious has anti-torpedo bulges that are four feet deeper than those of its half-sisters. This also would broadly explain why Furious draws less water. Unless I am wholly mistaken, this seems to clear the way for using the Admiralty Model Works kit as a basis.
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:02 pm |
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I converted my [i]Glorious[/i] to the 1917 fit:
[img]http://www.modellmarine.de/images/builders/lscharff/glorious/glorious03.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.modellmarine.de/images/builders/lscharff/glorious/glorious01.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.modellmarine.de/images/builders/lscharff/glorious/glorious07.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5042:2017-11-11-10-14-34&catid=112[/url]
The search light platforms were modified, as were the masts.
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:43 am |
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Martin; thanks for the tip; Mark will print them for $10 plus $3 shipping. MartinJQuinn wrote: varifleman wrote: Hello Jim; excellent work. Do you have instructions or a program that will print the excellent deflection scales hat you can share? Starfighter Decals did a set of deflection scales at one time. Contact Mark Tutton at Starfighter, he may be able to print for you to buy.
Martin; thanks for the tip; Mark will print them for $10 plus $3 shipping. [quote="MartinJQuinn"][quote="varifleman"]Hello Jim; excellent work. Do you have instructions or a program that will print the excellent deflection scales hat you can share?[/quote] [url=http://starfighter-decals.com/][b][u]Starfighter Decals[/u][/b][/url] did a set of deflection scales at one time. Contact Mark Tutton at Starfighter, he may be able to print for you to buy.[/quote]
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:59 am |
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varifleman wrote: Hello Jim; excellent work. Do you have instructions or a program that will print the excellent deflection scales hat you can share? Starfighter Decals did a set of deflection scales at one time. Contact Mark Tutton at Starfighter, he may be able to print for you to buy.
[quote="varifleman"]Hello Jim; excellent work. Do you have instructions or a program that will print the excellent deflection scales hat you can share?[/quote] [url=http://starfighter-decals.com/][b][u]Starfighter Decals[/u][/b][/url] did a set of deflection scales at one time. Contact Mark Tutton at Starfighter, he may be able to print for you to buy.
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:51 am |
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Hello Jim; excellent work. Do you have instructions or a program that will print the excellent deflection scales hat you can share?
Hello Jim; excellent work. Do you have instructions or a program that will print the excellent deflection scales hat you can share?
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:53 am |
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Tackling Furious Carrier ver by loose cannon here. Q regarding the superstructure, is furious's much different to her sisters? The 2 kit parts on top of the conning tower (what I call oreo pieces) looks a little odd to me as they appear wider than from photos and has wrong shaped/number of baffles
Is there any documented difference in this level compared to those of her half sisters Courageous/Glorious? I'm tempted to scratch build based on the dimensions of the admiralty model works kit parts, would that be a good idea?
Tackling Furious Carrier ver by loose cannon here. Q regarding the superstructure, is furious's much different to her sisters? The 2 kit parts on top of the conning tower (what I call oreo pieces) looks a little odd to me as they appear wider than from photos and has wrong shaped/number of baffles
Is there any documented difference in this level compared to those of her half sisters Courageous/Glorious? I'm tempted to scratch build based on the dimensions of the admiralty model works kit parts, would that be a good idea?
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:42 pm |
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Hi, In British battleships of WW1, Burt has under Appearance Changes after Jutland while still under construction... Other modifications included: Steel strips (Etna) and coconut matting to weather decks and other positions as applicable, 9 tons added. Another name for Coconut matting is coir matting. Here is a poor photo I took of a picture hanging in Edinburgh Castle Attachment:
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Here is the same picture by WW1 artist Charles Pears from the IWM collection Attachment:
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Note the brown coconut matting next to the mine laying rails. Anyone for Coir Brown decks? Attachment:
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Cheers, George
Hi,
In British battleships of WW1, Burt has under Appearance Changes after Jutland while still under construction... Other modifications included: Steel strips (Etna) and coconut matting to weather decks and other positions as applicable, 9 tons added. Another name for Coconut matting is coir matting.
Here is a poor photo I took of a picture hanging in Edinburgh Castle [attachment=2]Courageous Dry Dock from Edinburgh Castle sm.jpg[/attachment]
Here is the same picture by WW1 artist Charles Pears from the IWM collection [attachment=1]Courageous Dry Dock Charles Pears sm.jpg[/attachment]
Note the brown coconut matting next to the mine laying rails. Anyone for Coir Brown decks? [attachment=0]Coir Matting sm.jpg[/attachment]
Cheers, George
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:09 pm |
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Gerarddm wrote: Well, I have just started in on Courageous, and have two questions for fellow builders, or Pavel if he's listening:
A) PE part 27 is a hull paravane I believe, but this part has an attached ladder to it. Yet the drawings and plans show this same paravane without any such ladder extention. Which is correct?
Is it a frame to store the fitting on to? Or is it a ladder to access to paravane? While some where lain on the deck in a frame of sorts, some where fixed onto the ships superstructure.
B) The box top art and the elevations show a vertical strake on the hull port and starboard, lined up with the rear of the tower. This strake looks like it ends in a small deck box. Query: there is no part for this strake, and no mention of it in the plans themselves. So, what is it? Maybe I should just fabricate a pair our of sheet styrene?
Sounds like a gash shute fixed on either side.
[quote="Gerarddm"]Well, I have just started in on [i]Courageous[/i], and have two questions for fellow builders, or Pavel if he's listening:
[i]A) PE part 27 is a hull paravane I believe, but this part has an attached ladder to it. Yet the drawings and plans show this same paravane without any such ladder extention. Which is correct?[/i]
Is it a frame to store the fitting on to? Or is it a ladder to access to paravane? While some where lain on the deck in a frame of sorts, some where fixed onto the ships superstructure.
[i]B) The box top art and the elevations show a vertical strake on the hull port and starboard, lined up with the rear of the tower. This strake looks like it ends in a small deck box. Query: there is no part for this strake, and no mention of it in the plans themselves. So, what is it? Maybe I should just fabricate a pair our of sheet styrene?
Sounds like a gash shute fixed on either side. [/i][/quote]
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:29 pm |
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Thanks for the reply, Martin.
I guess I'll just have to sit tight and wait for the moment - there are plenty of oddball ships ahead of her in my model queue at the moment, so no hurry!
Cheerio,
Nigel.
Thanks for the reply, Martin.
I guess I'll just have to sit tight and wait for the moment - there are plenty of oddball ships ahead of her in my model queue at the moment, so no hurry!
Cheerio,
Nigel.
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:33 pm |
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Guest wrote: On that subject, is there a kit out there (or planned) of Furious in that fit, or a conversion pack perhaps? Admiralty Model Works had announced a Furious in this fit as part of an ambitious release schedule a few years back, but I haven't heard anything recently.
[quote="Guest"]On that subject, is there a kit out there (or planned) of Furious in that fit, or a conversion pack perhaps?[/quote]
[url=http://www.admiraltymodelworks.com/]Admiralty Model Works[/url] had announced a Furious in this fit as part of an ambitious release schedule a few years back, but I haven't heard anything recently.
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:30 pm |
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Hello everyone.
I seem to have an unhealthy fascination with the RN's slightly oddball vessels - Abercrombie/Roberts, Engadine, Eagle, Rodney/Nelson, Agincourt and particularly Furious when she had the 18" turret.
On that subject, is there a kit out there (or planned) of Furious in that fit, or a conversion pack perhaps?
Any information or ideas you have would be much appreciated.
Cheers,
Nigel.
Hello everyone.
I seem to have an unhealthy fascination with the RN's slightly oddball vessels - Abercrombie/Roberts, Engadine, Eagle, Rodney/Nelson, Agincourt and particularly Furious when she had the 18" turret.
On that subject, is there a kit out there (or planned) of Furious in that fit, or a conversion pack perhaps?
Any information or ideas you have would be much appreciated.
Cheers,
Nigel.
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:13 pm |
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JIM BAUMANN wrote: Does anyone know what these are--or what hey do--or have better pics...? see below Attachment: Image14.jpg They look to me like the standard supports to a platform, or the edge of a platform that protrudes from the deck. If the deck does protrude above them, I'd say that was the answer. I guess this is of historical interest now?
[quote="JIM BAUMANN"] Does anyone know what these are--or what hey do--or have better pics...?
see below
[attachment=0]Image14.jpg[/attachment][/quote]
They look to me like the standard supports to a platform, or the edge of a platform that protrudes from the deck.
If the deck does protrude above them, I'd say that was the answer.
I guess this is of historical interest now?
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:11 pm |
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If you don't mind alliteration, stupendous starfish! Not to mention bodacious biplane...
If you don't mind alliteration, stupendous starfish!
Not to mention bodacious biplane...
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:23 pm |
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Looks like a nested set of ship's boats- sort of how they used to nest dories on Grand Banks schooners, exept here vertical instead of horizontal.
Nice detail on those turret markings- they weren't mentioned in the instructions, so I didn't add them on mine.
I did 'Brunswick green' on my turret tops and hawse hole sonly.
Looks like a nested set of ship's boats- sort of how they used to nest dories on Grand Banks schooners, exept here vertical instead of horizontal.
Nice detail on those turret markings- they weren't mentioned in the instructions, so I didn't add them on mine.
I did 'Brunswick green' on my turret tops and hawse hole sonly.
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:18 am |
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Jim Baumann wrote: Quote: - apropos starfish-- I made a new one...
I tried to hollow out the resin undersides to give an impression of the metal plates--and it looked ok--but then.... well
Paper and brass slivers just looked sharper!!
I have opened up the spotting top with metal frame windows, added bits here and added bits there, thinned stuff down and chopped other stuff away... You are braver than I. While I could muddle my way through some of the things you do, I don't have the time or the patience. Kudos to you for all the extras you are doing. As to the picture. I have no idea what those are.
Jim Baumann wrote:
[quote]- apropos starfish-- I made a new one...
I tried to hollow out the resin undersides to give an impression of the metal plates--and it looked ok--but then.... well
Paper and brass slivers just looked sharper!!
I have opened up the spotting top with metal frame windows, added bits here and added bits there, thinned stuff down and chopped other stuff away...[/quote]
You are braver than I. While I could muddle my way through some of the things you do, I don't have the time or the patience. Kudos to you for all the extras you are doing.
As to the picture. I have no idea what those are.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:54 pm |
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Hi chaps @ Jon On the whole a pretty straightforward build--I will outline the bits I have altered in the build article here at MW.com when the model is finally completed. That said-most of the stuff I have done is because I have decided to portray her late 1918-and there are a few differences -at that time there was an additional searchlight platform on the mainmast underneath the starfish, and the platforms on the aft tripod had a structure added- which I have added , the splintermatting and dodgers etc etc etc - apropos starfish-- I made a new one... I tried to hollow out the resin undersides to give an impression of the metal plates--and it looked ok--but then.... well Paper and brass slivers just looked sharper!! I have opened up the spotting top with metal frame windows, added bits here and added bits there, thinned stuff down and chopped other stuff away... That said --it is overall and EXCELLENT starting point--- and is a credit to Pavel. Nothing in life is perfect-nor is the kit.... -the kit does have a few flaws--but they are--in the big picture-- VERY minor! @ sylvain.. Once Courageous is done--I shall catch my breath-- I want to build something short and sharp for Telford--only 2 months away...arghhh QE will get my attention probably post Telford, Doe anyone know what these are--or what hey do--or have better pics...? see below Attachment:
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Hi chaps
@ Jon
On the whole a pretty straightforward build--I will outline the bits I have altered in the build article here at MW.com when the model is finally completed.
That said-most of the stuff I have done is because I have decided to portray her late 1918-and there are a few differences -at that time there was an additional searchlight platform on the mainmast underneath the starfish, and the platforms on the aft tripod had a structure added- which I have added , the splintermatting and dodgers etc etc etc
- apropos starfish-- I made a new one...
I tried to hollow out the resin undersides to give an impression of the metal plates--and it looked ok--but then.... well
Paper and brass slivers just looked sharper!!
I have opened up the spotting top with metal frame windows, added bits here and added bits there, thinned stuff down and chopped other stuff away...
That said --it is overall and EXCELLENT starting point--- and is a credit to Pavel.
Nothing in life is perfect-nor is the kit....
-the kit does have a few flaws--but they are--in the big picture-- VERY minor!
@ sylvain..
Once Courageous is done--I shall catch my breath-- I want to build something short and sharp for Telford--only 2 months away...arghhh
QE will get my attention probably post Telford,
Doe anyone know what these are--or what hey do--or have better pics...?
see below
[attachment=0]Image14.jpg[/attachment]
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:37 pm |
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Your Courageous looks real good Jim I also think you can keep the green paint on the deck. It looks good the way it is but, knowing you, I think we'll see a repainted deck the next time you show us your progress Have started your QE yet or are you finishing Courageous first? Sylvain
Your Courageous looks real good Jim :thumbs_up_1: I also think you can keep the green paint on the deck. It looks good the way it is but, knowing you, I think we'll see a repainted deck the next time you show us your progress :heh: :cool_2:
Have started your QE yet or are you finishing Courageous first?
Sylvain
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:43 pm |
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I see! I had the same idea with Humbrol 147. I was able to darken it a bit with filters, washes, etc. and have it show a marked yet sublte weathering.
Your boats are coming along nicely. I see you cut oar placements in the 42' launch. Are you doing a dio with it in the water and sailors rowing?
Are you finding it to be a straightforward build so far (except for the extras you usually put in)?
Can't wait to see the finished product.
I see! I had the same idea with Humbrol 147. I was able to darken it a bit with filters, washes, etc. and have it show a marked yet sublte weathering.
Your boats are coming along nicely. I see you cut oar placements in the 42' launch. Are you doing a dio with it in the water and sailors rowing?
Are you finding it to be a straightforward build so far (except for the extras you usually put in)?
Can't wait to see the finished product.
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MartinJQuinn wrote: How the heck did you get those itty bitty numbers on those turrets - decals? Very sharp! Yep-- home-made turret deflection scales--printed in black on white decal sheet.. @ Jon-- I used Humbrol 28-- it allowed me to darken with washes, and also to draw on the plating runs using pencil tape, and the wash away the graphite to give a subtle and pretty convincing effect ( IMHO !) Yep--progress is being made-- its the boats that are taking their merry old time! JIM B Attachment:
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[quote="MartinJQuinn"]How the heck did you get those itty bitty numbers on those turrets - decals? Very sharp![/quote]
Yep-- home-made turret deflection scales--printed in black on white decal sheet.. :thumbs_up_1:
@ Jon-- I used Humbrol 28--
it allowed me to darken with washes, and also to draw on the plating runs using pencil tape, and the wash away the graphite to give a subtle and pretty convincing effect ( IMHO !)
Yep--progress is being made-- its the boats that are taking their merry old time!
JIM B[attachment=1]2009-27-04 001.jpg[/attachment][attachment=0]2009-27-04 005.jpg[/attachment]
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